AirbusA380-800 174 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Gerade eben schrieb ahmed2003: What are their restricted rules with the a350 from Airbus? I think that for planes of the current generation the fear of corporate espionage is very high, so access to schematics, technologies and datasets are heavily restricted. Once a plane leaves production and/or a successor is being marketed that no longer matters that much, so the information is more easily available. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahmed2003 108 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 minute ago, AirbusA380-800 said: I think that for planes of the current generation the fear of corporate espionage is very high, so access to schematics, technologies and datasets are heavily restricted. Once a plane leaves production and/or a successor is being marketed that no longer matters that much, so the information is more easily available. Ah perhaps it is the case but, how the a350 is available on X-plane ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirbusA380-800 174 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 vor 1 Minute schrieb ahmed2003: Ah perhaps it is the case but, how the a350 is available on X-plane ? Well, (with all due respect to the developer) the FlightFactor A350 is not what I would call an accurate depiction of the plane. I think Aerosoft mentioned a while back that before the start of any project they want to reach a critical mass of documentation for the plane they are developing. They also mentioned this is more difficult to achieve for current generations of planes. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus_sweden 36 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 There is a freeware version coming out at some point, I doubt it will be up to this level but I am fine with that since it is freeware. Hopefully they jack into the FBW systems then it will at least be a good entry level attempt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svend Loggerhead 136 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 2 hours ago, cwa alt said: doesnt really make sense to make another engine variant when fslabs is coming out with the a330, albeit that will be some time I hope Aerosoft atleast makes an expansion pack for the A330ceo with a different engine variant because the two airlines I want to simulate most use the CF6 engines, not the RR (I can always suck up the slight unrealism if they don’t make a CF6 version but still) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahmed2003 108 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 2 hours ago, cwa alt said: i didn't come from the p3d world so i dont know how long it took them to release the a320 family, i assume it took awhile lmao It took about 6 years to develop their a320 but honestly, It was astonishing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewerton_BirdStrike 7 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 7 hours ago, Yichi Zhang said: Nobody ever thought that the next one would be A330-200 ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkaper 8 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 We can only speculate, but I have a feeling its one of the smaller airbuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWAviation 481 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 My bet is on other variants of the A330ceo, namely the -200 or at least other engine variants for the -300. I think that their name for the product ("A330ceo") might be a good hint that their A330 development will not stop at the A330-300 with RR engines... So, @Yichi Zhang and @Ewerton_BirdStrike: We are three now. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomReborn 405 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Y'all might be getting a bit too carried away, it might not even be an aircraft oooo Mega Airport Frankfurt...now that would be nice! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zocopeta 12 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 If is an a320, why would you like to fo that when we got the fenix that is study level and is cheap, just i want to know what is your opinion about this. @Mathijs Kok 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs The Dude 6537 Posted May 23 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted May 23 34 minutes ago, Zocopeta said: If is an a320, why would you like to fo that when we got the fenix that is study level and is cheap, just i want to know what is your opinion about this. @Mathijs Kok Can‘t you just wait till the announcement next week? Or do you also want to know what Mathijs thinks about releasing an hypothetical AS B738 when PMDG already have one? 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonmCork 121 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 16 hours ago, Mathijs Kok said: Next week we'll announce the next project Are you sure you want to bring that stress on yourself? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedbirdSimulation 71 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 20 minutes ago, Simone Minetti said: can we have an indicative amount of time that we need to wait more or less before seeing the A330 released? i know many people asked but i think at this point it’s possible to give some more estimated info When there is something to be announced be assured we will hear about it. Keep asking probably gets annoying to the development team. As they are hard at work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirbusA380-800 174 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 vor 15 Minuten schrieb Simone Minetti: can we have an indicative amount of time that we need to wait more or less before seeing the A330 released? i know many people asked but i think at this point it’s possible to give some more estimated info Come on, you said it yourself. It’s been asked and answered a thousand times. We already have an estimated release window + we know we’ll get a two weeks notice. How much more specific do you want AS to be besides literally telling us the date? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alvariteus 127 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 15 hours ago, cwa alt said: we already have toliss, no ones ever made a decent a340-300 for any sim Toliss is not for MSFS. I would love it to be the A340-600, as it would offer ultra-long haul capabilities and it is, at least in terms of size and performance, a bit more different and unique than the difference between the A330-300 and the A340-300. In addition, nobody is working on the A346. Either freeware or payware developers. However, I honestly think they will announce the A340-300 haha! I guess the more natural/easier development for them from the A330-300 base is the A340-300. However, as a customer I would prefer to have the complete A330 family before other long haul aircrafts, with the other different engine options for the -300, and the -200 as well, that could come as an expansion. I would give my wallet to Mathijs and let him take whatever he wants for it 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason boivin 2 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 13 minutes ago, Alvariteus said: Toliss is not for MSFS. I would love it to be the A340-600, as it would offer ultra-long haul capabilities and it is, at least in terms of size and performance, a bit more different and unique than the difference between the A330-300 and the A340-300. In addition, nobody is working on the A346. Either freeware or payware developers. However, I honestly think they will announce the A340-300 haha! I guess the more natural/easier development for them from the A330-300 base is the A340-300. However, as a customer I would prefer to have the complete A330 family before other long haul aircrafts, with the other different engine options for the -300, and the -200 as well, that could come as an expansion. I would give my wallet to Mathijs and let him take whatever he wants for it ill have to disagree on this, an airbus a350 would be much nicer since it's the new aircraft which will only grow as airlines will retire most of their a340s and other older aircradts, even now (regarding as me as a flyer who only flies real world flights) i can only count 3 airlines that uses the 340, lufthansa, edelweiss and swiss. how can that be fun? Wouldn't be much nicer and cooler to have diversification instead of using the same 3 livries and doing the same flights over and over? Anyway that's my opinion 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alvariteus 127 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 27 minutes ago, jason boivin said: ill have to disagree on this, an airbus a350 would be much nicer since it's the new aircraft which will only grow as airlines will retire most of their a340s and other older aircradts, even now (regarding as me as a flyer who only flies real world flights) i can only count 3 airlines that uses the 340, lufthansa, edelweiss and swiss. how can that be fun? Wouldn't be much nicer and cooler to have diversification instead of using the same 3 livries and doing the same flights over and over? Anyway that's my opinion I agree with you. I prefer the A350. But let's be realistic: that will not happen for a while. A350's avionics are too different and too complex to make a high-fidelity A350 in a serious way. The lack of information and the lack of enough knowledge about the plane that is available to software developers will prevent us to have a good A350 in the short and medium term. This is not something I say, this is something that developers say. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs mopperle 4142 Posted May 23 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted May 23 28 minutes ago, Alvariteus said: A350's avionics are too different and too complex to make a high-fidelity A350 in a serious way. That's not the main problem. The problem is simply that the data you need to make a somehow realistic model are not available as in the past. In the past you could get tons of FCOM and other docs as pdf. Now this is gone. All data are "hidden" in electronic devices and these devices are not available to people outside the manufacturer and airline staff. And this staff (pilots, maintenance...) only have access to exact that part of data that is needed to do their job. 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juho Heikkinen 0 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Hoping for A340-300 for some now historical Finnair ops. But wouldn't be surprised if it's a smaller bus either as there is no competition on the marketplace atm. I don't think AS consider LatinVFR much of a threat to sales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PilotAT2001 3 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 vor 56 Minuten schrieb mopperle: That's not the main problem. The problem is simply that the data you need to make a somehow realistic model are not available as in the past. In the past you could get tons of FCOM and other docs as pdf. Now this is gone. All data are "hidden" in electronic devices and these devices are not available to people outside the manufacturer and airline staff. And this staff (pilots, maintenance...) only have access to exact that part of data that is needed to do their job. Maybe I get some negative comments like last time, when I mentioned competitors, but there are rumours/ confirmations, that PMDG has quit good connection to Boeing, and they also announced a 777X, so for an study level/ high fidelity 777X, they need for sure help from Boeing to achieve that. So now my question: Does Aerosoft also has good connections to Airbus, or would there be any chance to get much more information for the A350 directly from Airbus? When I interpret the forum right, Aerosoft focus is on building an plane that is focused on the SOP and not simulate every smallest feature, so I would say, that the information Aerosoft would need to build an A350 for SOP already the competitor Boeing has, so from my point of view, it would not harm Airbus at all. I think a A350 would be a plane, that so much customer wants and would love to fly, and no other competitor build. (DFD publish the last post 1 year ago, so not really serious atm) But of course I agree, the logical steps would be an 319/ 321 (XLR)/ A340, the A350 System are new. Or is this wrong, as I already wrote, I don’t know any exact details (maybe AS tried to contact Airbus in the past, …), so let me know. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alvariteus 127 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 52 minutes ago, mopperle said: That's not the main problem. The problem is simply that the data you need to make a somehow realistic model are not available as in the past. In the past you could get tons of FCOM and other docs as pdf. Now this is gone. All data are "hidden" in electronic devices and these devices are not available to people outside the manufacturer and airline staff. And this staff (pilots, maintenance...) only have access to exact that part of data that is needed to do their job. That's what I wanted to say but you expressed it much better than me. Thank you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs mopperle 4142 Posted May 23 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted May 23 22 minutes ago, PilotAT2001 said: Does Aerosoft also has good connections to Airbus, or would there be any chance to get much more information for the A350 directly from Airbus? Unfortunately no. They have a very restrictiv company policy which does not allow support for flightsimulation add-ons in any way. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Administrator Aerosoft Team 51548 Posted May 23 Author Administrator Share Posted May 23 41 minutes ago, PilotAT2001 said: Maybe I get some negative comments like last time, when I mentioned competitors, but there are rumours/ confirmations, that PMDG has quit good connection to Boeing, The kind of information needed will never be shared, it is really a question of experimenting and then letting real pilots test it. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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