keenrw 59 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Hi Can confirm this problem ,a kind of a work around for me at least is to add about 5-10 knots on the V speed to get a more realistic 2-3 deg pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozgulkagan 18 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 For me too. Before last update I was flying A321IAE only, and always added at least 5 knots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terks43 1 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Ok, I'm going to say this if you honestly think a transport category aircraft on proper speed would have a deck angle of 7-9 degrees during approach (not flare) then maybe you don't need to be publishing paywear. This is painfully and obviously wrong, period. I'll do your job for you here guys, from the previous posts this appears to be an issue unique to the IAE variant of the 321. Not a climb issue, not a user input issue. But a badly wrong FDE. So maybe you should take a look at exactly what is different between the 321 CFM and IAE FDE's. To be perfectly clear I have absolutely no idea how these things are put together, but if you're even looking to solve this puzzle that is a good place to start. It's wrong, and it is completely unacceptable for a product in 2018 to be so basically wrong. Hate to be so harsh in this but in my honest opinion your company is in very bad need of a stiff kick up the backside. This is a reoccurring theme with all of your recent releases. Half baked and slow to improve, and I'm sure everyone in the FS community would love to see significant improvement at Aerosoft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindeballe 16 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 14 hours ago, terks43 said: Ok, I'm going to say this if you honestly think a transport category aircraft on proper speed would have a deck angle of 7-9 degrees during approach (not flare) then maybe you don't need to be publishing paywear. This is painfully and obviously wrong, period. I'll do your job for you here guys, from the previous posts this appears to be an issue unique to the IAE variant of the 321. Not a climb issue, not a user input issue. But a badly wrong FDE. So maybe you should take a look at exactly what is different between the 321 CFM and IAE FDE's. To be perfectly clear I have absolutely no idea how these things are put together, but if you're even looking to solve this puzzle that is a good place to start. It's wrong, and it is completely unacceptable for a product in 2018 to be so basically wrong. Hate to be so harsh in this but in my honest opinion your company is in very bad need of a stiff kick up the backside. This is a reoccurring theme with all of your recent releases. Half baked and slow to improve, and I'm sure everyone in the FS community would love to see significant improvement at Aerosoft. Not everyone, do not count me in, but that is only -1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keenrw 59 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 As far as i can see the team at Aerosoft are doing all they can to work on the Airbus , they have another Airbus they are working on plus scenery plus patches etc , im more then happy with the Aircraft at the moment ...yes there are a few bugs but nothing to stop me from flying it and i trust Aerosoft to put the bugs right in their time . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted November 22, 2018 Aerosoft Share Posted November 22, 2018 Nobody in the dev team for this project is involved with scenery use that as an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meyerflyer 154 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Hello, I took my time to record a video of the high pitch angle on landing. Basic specs: Landing with 70t (that was because I tried shooting another video and returned to landing after takeoff immediately. It's the same with 66t landing weight, etc.). Wind 060/7 Computer recommended a landing speed of 145kt, which I took without adding something. Landing was an autoland, so I could concentrate on taking the right angle with the camera. As you can see, the pitch angle was much too steep as reported by some customers. When I compare that to hundreds of A321 landings I've seen in my life, that is not how it is in real life. It even feels strange during approach, because the aircraft always hangs on the stick and does not feel like the A319 or the A320. What do you say watching this? Is this looking like it should (serious question)? https://youtu.be/qcdhnnTONME Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meyerflyer 154 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Let's take this video for a basic comparison. You can see, the landing of the real one is more flat with much less pitch angle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4AlbPjDlzI Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs mopperle 4162 Posted November 23, 2018 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted November 23, 2018 TBH Julian, we simply do not like such comparisons as nobody knows the conditions (wind, speed, weight etc.) in such pictures/videos. The only thing we trust is what the real busdrivers tells us and meanwhile we have a lot of them in our testing team. But as we still fine tune the different variants regarding the performance characteristics, this might be effected too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted November 23, 2018 Aerosoft Share Posted November 23, 2018 From the same video: Please login to display this image. Here you see the angle a lot steeper, your image was from the moment the flare was already ending. This angle, however, is something we will look at soon. We are getting some direct information from our advisory pilots on this. No need for images as we'll have the exact angle, bit in AoA as in angle to a horizontal plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meyerflyer 154 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Okay, but that is nevertheless a completely different angle. I would say, the angle on the Aerosoft A321 was about 10° and the real one had about 5°. That's simply not realtistic to me. But I am glad to hear, that this will be looked at soon. For me, this kills all the fun landing the A321 as it is furthermore harder to land the A321 smooth as the cockpit is way higher above the runway surface than it should be. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted November 23, 2018 Aerosoft Share Posted November 23, 2018 I am sorry this spoils your flights (can I suggest landing manually?) but as said it is an issue that is being looked at. As we said many times, unless we know the EXACT conditions, an image of a video does not tell us a lot. Certainly not when a certain point in the video showing not the maximum angle and MUCH lower to the ground is chosen.. As I think everybody said all that can be done and the fact we promise to look at it can I suggest we drop this issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keenrw 59 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 12 hours ago, Meyerflyer said: Okay, but that is nevertheless a completely different angle. I would say, the angle on the Aerosoft A321 was about 10° and the real one had about 5°. That's simply not realtistic to me. But I am glad to hear, that this will be looked at soon. For me, this kills all the fun landing the A321 as it is furthermore harder to land the A321 smooth as the cockpit is way higher above the runway surface than it should be. Thanks. For now just add 5 to 10 knots manually to the calculated Vspeeds that should get you nearer the 5 deg angle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terks43 1 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 On 11/23/2018 at 12:07 PM, Mathijs Kok said: I am sorry this spoils your flights (can I suggest landing manually?) but as said it is an issue that is being looked at. As we said many times, unless we know the EXACT conditions, an image of a video does not tell us a lot. Certainly not when a certain point in the video showing not the maximum angle and MUCH lower to the ground is chosen.. As I think everybody said all that can be done and the fact we promise to look at it can I suggest we drop this issue? This is not an auto land issue. The plane flies this way in manual flight, all of my landings are done manually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meyerflyer 154 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 vor 19 Stunden , terks43 sagte: This is not an auto land issue. The plane flies this way in manual flight, all of my landings are done manually. Absolutely. No autoland issue but a general one. Therefote I don't understand Mathijs' post, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
av8r172 6 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Hopefully these will shed some light. Note the pitch attitude in the first two vs. the 3rd: *Yes, there is a tailwind on approach. I have tested the same parameters with direct headwind, and direct crosswind. Highly similar results* I'm on a stable ILS autopilot ON thrust managed. Here's the loadsheet that's active: Please login to display this image. Here's the APPR data as calculated by the FMGS: Please login to display this image. Now I manually add 10 knots to Vapp by pulling the speed knob. Notice the difference in pitch attitude (closer to any other jet. In fact, I would think the pitch would be even lower. The 737-900 approaches at an artificially higher speed to increase tail clearance in the flare): Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keenrw 59 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 yep thats how i handle the 321 atm until the pitch angle gets fixed , adding 5-10 knots to the VAPP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
av8r172 6 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Still does this as of 1.2.2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artox67 8 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Well to jump in here. I've a tool (FSIPanel) to simulate the exactly same conditions for a approach. I've done this with a 321 IAE (first pic) and a 321 CFM (2nd pic). Both aircraft are the same wight and the weather at the same conditions. Landing at EDDF 25L. As you can see the IAE has too much AoA. So you can't pull the nose up for a smooth landing. In this case here with the IAE 349ft/min and with CFM 172ft/min. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
av8r172 6 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 I noticed something was seriously wrong when I tried to shoot the river visual 19 into DCA. In the final turn I was 10 degrees nose up and TOGA LK activated in the final turn just to maintain -700 fpm and Vapp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artox67 8 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Any news regarding this topic guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meyerflyer 154 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 I would be happy, too, if the AS guys would take this issue a bit more serious now. For me and as you can see in the meantime for many others, this flight behaviour is quite annoying to fly. I think, that is no "cosmetic" issue, but one that gives you a wrong feeling while flying. And the flight characteristics is the thing you mainly want to have accurate in a sim aircraft. Especially because the A321 CFM doesn't have this issue, IMO this bug should be fixed soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted December 20, 2018 Aerosoft Share Posted December 20, 2018 It's an issue that is being worked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romano Lara 8 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Hello, Apologies if an update to this was released already, but I am using the latest version on V4.4, and noticed that this issue still persists on the A321. Pitch angle is always +10 deg on appr on managed speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs masterhawk 799 Posted January 19, 2019 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted January 19, 2019 We are currently working on it. Should be in next update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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