GEK_the_Reaper
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vor 1 hour , SinusJayCee sagte:
I'll do some tests myself and file a bug report
You can use the SimVarWatcher for the trim and the effect will be more obvious.
Thank you!
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vor 8 Minuten, CRJay sagte:
Because there is a track record of handling issues this way here.
So if you were to develop a SW that runs on WIN and DEV it following strictly the WIN SDK, and you were to find out that WIN is messing with your code, would you go ahead and insert all sort of workarounds, with every WIN release just to overcome the problem, or would you file tickets to WIN DEV to inform that the platform has bugs?
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And not to mention that the ISSUE can be easely overcome IF you fly the ACFT as I have shown you.
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vor 55 Minuten, CRJay sagte:
"it's a sim problem, we wash our hands of this"
And this is your interpretation exactly why?
Of corse the DEV will file a BUG report to ASOBO BUT...meanwhile you can test it by yourself and if it's true, then you would be doing a great community job to open a thread and even file a bug over at MS.
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@falcon55 @SinusJayCee @Richard Dastardly @CRJay @jay jay so guys...not realy the news youve been waiting for but here I go.
I raised the issue again in the team and we started to test the behaviour on standard ACFT from ASOBO. It came out that ALL of them (even the CJ4 -non standard ACFT) do the same thing -the time you kick in the AP it will TRIM to the default value and the revert to the state it was.
It's hard to see it in the TBM but get in it, take clear skies as weather theme, handfly it to e.g. 5000ft at max speed, trim it so it flies level (it's a a trim down and the trim indicator will be above the green band), kick in AP and you will se the indicator moving down (to it's initial value) then again up.
Some ACFT TRIM realy quick, some rather slower and depending to the ACFT and current flight conditions yada yada yada you will see more or less the effect.
At this time I would say it's a sim issue...
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vor 24 Minuten, SinusJayCee sagte:
I guess I misunderstood your previous two posts.
No worries..happens to all of us (thats why I stated to all to carefuly read all the posts)
I still can't figure how the "trim issue" kicks in during DES for some customers (because I always fly AP till short final.....). Hope to see some VIDs.
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vor 20 Minuten, SinusJayCee sagte:
Sorry, I don't get it. Why should having icing effects turned on cause a sudden change in trim of a perfectly trimmed plane when enabling the AP?
I can't give you astraight answer for that. I just saw that in the exact moment you pressed AP (and I mean literally in the exact moment), you had an ICE warning triggered (so it could have been a combined issue with something and we know that icing effects are so overdone that everybody puts them in visual only).
vor 28 Minuten, SinusJayCee sagte:The issue discussed here causes the AP to set the trim to 7-something. So when the trim is already in that range, the issue of course doesn't appear.
And exactly this is a part of the "workaround". All customers here have experienced the trim change that should not happen (this has already been forwarded to the DEVs - I will again try to move it up the list). So if you look at the videos I posted, you can clearly observe that flying the Jet in a 8...6 TRIM range is perfectly achievable and will not lead to those issues.
vor 57 Minuten, falcon55 sagte:In your videos, you are flying way to slow for the trim change to have any notable effect. To reproduce it during climb, do the following:
Accelerate to 250 knots, climb to FL100, accelerate to 290 knots, trim the aircraft (Should be quite low, 2.5 in my vid). Now engage the AP, it will trim to 7.5 and stall the aircraft.
I'm not a RLP but there are some in the BETA. I how many circumstances do RLP Handfly the JET above 10000ft?
So no...I'm not flying too slow, I'm flying in a normal way.
So please...my advice to you...till the release notes don't specify that the TRIM change has been fixed, please do not fly > 10.000ft, on CLB SPD (e.g. 290) then kick in the AP
then wonder....OMG.
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Also please do keep in mind and carefully read all the replies in this thread cause some reports DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE TRIM CHANGE WHEN KICKING IN THE AP, but already in AP mode and when changing VS (which is totaly different thing)
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@Richard Dastardly @CRJay @jay jay and others.
This is what I have on my system (all 3 VIDs taken last night):
1. TO and CLB from LOWI: Live weather (with extreme winds), I activate NAV->SPEED-> AP at about 4500ft (you do see the trim change but it has zero effect on the ACFT in that short time). BTW: I also do a DIR INTC at the beginning
2. This short flight is a FPLN from EDNY to EDDM and covers 2 VIDs
2.1. TO and CLB from EDNY: weather theme "few clouds" -> In this CLB I actually did a STEP CLB waiting for the CRJ to level off before activating next STEP CLB
2.2. This part covers the DES (from before TOD) till touch down. DES again in STEPs (and yeah...TOD is there because some say it's not beeing shown)
So guys...this is how I fly every single flight and I don't have any issues with the ACFT.
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Dear @CRJay I do see the change in trim on my end also. What I don't have is that violent pitching and loosing speed that makes me take command of the ACFT or plummet into the ground!
As I mentioned before, I'm not argueing that it does not happen (because I had it also ONCE and we see the videos), I'm argueing cause 99,9% it does not happen on my end. So if there is someone who can replicate this 100% (PITCHING and loosing speed) I would be glad to try to reproduce it.
I will show you how I fly and how it looks on my end -Stand by, I will upload a VID-
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@jay jay this issue (as title states) happens when enabling AP (and I only saw it when enabling the AP from a level handflied ACFT). So if you fly AP till short final, it might be something else you are experiencing. Also if you say "low and slow" I suspect you are too slow and AP tries to stay on GS and looses significant speed in a short time so that it pitches up like crazy.
Would be nice to see a VID of your procedure.
***EDITED: Look at all the videos in this thread and you will notice all of them have the pitch up from manual flight then activating AP.***
Now I can also see some things I don't like in the videos:
First Video from Puukka: he activates AP with no mode selected (no NAV or SPEED)
Same goes for Czar66
SinusJayCee: flies the CRJ up to 14000 by hand and at the exact point he activates AP he gets an ICE warning (did he had icing effects on?????)
etc...
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vor 2 Stunden , jay jay sagte:
During the last stages of my approach, when I activate VS for another descent,
We saw this issue and I saw the videos. I also had it happen once. I never had it / saw it on descent. I realy don't understand how you are flying. As I see it (on descent) I always have AP on and descent from CRZ LVL using VS (starting 10nm before TD I mostly go VS -1000 then after passing TD I open the DIR INTC page and look at the descent and adapt VS to the "blue circle" and follow closely also the FMC descent). I always do the first decent to about 10000 (to be able to reduce speed) then make other descent acc. to ALT restrictions. During this time I never ever have to disco the AP. It is always on and following my imputs.
I had that nose up behaviour on CLB when I decided to handfly the ACFT to certain ALT (6000...max 10000) and kicked in the AP in a level flight (so I leveled the ACFT to my ALT and when I kicked in the AP, it went berzerk). Since then, I always fly VNAV on CLB and push AP during CLB at about 4000ft. I do not get the nose up behaviour that way.
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vor 11 Stunden , WebMaximus sagte:
I tried the workaround to wait over the button but I couldn't make it work. The moment I moved the mouse again, the knob was highlighted rather than the button in the middle of the knob.
This is beacause you are not on Legacy controls (You use Lock instead...please switch to legacy)
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vor 11 Stunden , StanTGM sagte:
Btw: is the heading knob press something you can do in the real plane,
Yes...it's used to sync your current heading quick just in case you have to switch to HDG mode.
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@StanTGM we know it's a PIA (I'm suffering myself from it but as explained, we need ASOBO to get this to work).
I struggled with the waiting (delay) myself also until I realized that:
1. I have to press the altimeter knob only 2x in one flight.
2. I don't realy need to press the IAS knob because it basicaly changes automaticaly (and if its the wrong value then I rotate it "2 mouse wheel" clicks)
3. Pressing the HDG sync is indeed the only knob I would like to press a lot but that can also be done by waiting and rotating which works flawlessly.
Basicaly neither of these knobs are essential in a "more hectic portion of a flight".
So to speak...yeah... I would like to have it fixed and I'm "on it" (meaning...I stress Hans a lot with this) but...as described above, those buttons are IMHO not realy essential to a flight (more a convenience).
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@Dirk1981 Aerosoft implemented the same ASOBO_GT_KNOB thingie as SteveFrost did. Unfortunately it did not do the trick. In fact, this fix did never work on my end. I use a Quest 2 for VR and no fix (neither this nor the one Hans implemented) worked. I reported this internaly and my issue could be reproduced by ASOBO, meaning, there seams to be some sort of sim issue.
Since SU5 I can only do the "wait over the button" workaround to be able to click it.
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@Dirk1961 if you position your mouse pointer over the push button, let it dissapear, then slightly move your mouse for the coursor to reappear, the moment it is visible on screen, you can press it....I know...it´s a PIA
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vor 20 Minuten, dfw sagte:
knob interaction in VR isn't fixed with v10110...
This issue could be reproduced by ASOBO. We are waiting for a fix.
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vor 6 Stunden , 767333ER sagte:
I'm surprised and disappointed everyone is getting ready to jump ship to MSFS. Everything I've heard from real pilots is that it is not a good sim and basically appeals to the kids that used to use FSX and Infiniteflight but found money for a powerful PC or for the YouTubers and streamers that think they know how to fly but really don't. Oh well I guess I can give up hope on much of the existing issues being fixed at this point.
Interesting since P3D is in fact FSX.
And I hardly believe that "real" pilots actualy said that they are training at home on P3D (or any other SIM running at home on a desktop PC or Notebook).
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Hello @Puukka I just tested this behaviour on my end and can confirm the same PITCH UP when engaging AP and close to selected ALT.
Thank you for the report and the videos. I raised the Q into the test group and also made an entry into our tracking list.
Will keep you posted.
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@jaimilonchus can I ask you to open another thread if you experience the issue again?
This thread is quite old and it seems that the OP does no longer have the issue. I would say that what you have experienced is something different then that what the OP has had therefore I would lock it.
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vor 4 Stunden , Thx1137 sagte:
Aerosoft - System simulation that lets you fly like a real pilot. They do not spend effort and money (notice the Aerosoft/PMDG price difference?) simulating aspects that are not realistic from a real-world pilots procedures perspective.
Going by a manual I have it should probably hold the pitch. But seeing most airline CRJ SOPs don't even allows VS to be used on climb (going by some CRJ drivers) then I'd doubt pitch hold would be allowed either. But maybe one will chime in if I've made a mistake.
This gets missinterpreted a lot. Aerosoft does not simulate failures. They do though simulate systems e.g.: If your ENG needs BLEED AIR to start, it won't start without it (even though the SOP and Checklist says you have to provide BLEED AIR).
If you as a pilot deliberately turn of FUEL to an ENG in mid flight and something weird happens, this is not a failure but a pilot mistake and Aerosoft will probably ignore it.
So, if the AP should hold ROLL and PITCH when engaged without any other mode, then it should behave like that. I just tested it pushing the AP just after TO and it did hold ROLL and PITCH (BUT I also provided the CRJ with enough THR to be able to mantain that PITCH). So if you have a 15° PITCH but not enough PWR to maintain lift, the CRJ will plummet to the ground.
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vor 2 Stunden , jaimilonchus sagte:
I had this issue too last night. Set altitude to FL300. The plane climbed without problem in speed mode, 250kt up to 10.000ft. Then I set 290kt. Suddenly there's a problem with my engine levers (they go all the way to idle for like 1 sec. for some unknown reason and then go back to the CLB detent). After this the AP just wouldn't put the nose down and maintain the selected speed, instead it just wanted to pitch up. The plane quickly lost speed and fell down, so I disconnected AP and stabilised it again at FL150. Then I turned AP on again and the same happened. I tried setting the target altitude to my current one, so that it wouldn't want to climb and that didn't seem to work. Very frustrating.
This is usualy when something like a Button Binding / Axis interfeeres with the CRJ.
The AP won't move the THR in the ACFT (it's not a Boeing) so if they moved, then something in your controlls told it to do.
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vor 2 Stunden , Scott Gist sagte:
I created new profiles for all input devices where there is nothing assigned except the throttle axis in my Bravo throttle and the problem persist.
I was just online with @PetterWS and we created new empty profiles for all hes controllers (so basically we emptied everything). The ENG started normal and did not shut off. He also has the Bravo and we cleared that also.
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In the Controls settings in MSFS you can search key bindings by inputs. Please take your time and search if your bindings are correct especially the axis. It is probably as Hans mentioned a binding that interferes.
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A/C goes nose up when activating autopilot
in Manual Flight, Autoflight and Flight Management
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I will answer you (since you quoted me) but I'm unsure what to tell you. I'm not affiliated with AS in any way so this is purely my gues.
AS offer a wide range of products and I think they focus to fix major issues as they arrise. Since MSFS is a "work in progress" most updates come with improvements but also issues. If AS will always hunt issues introduced with the sim, implement a workaround, wait till the workaround no longer works due to a fix from ASOBOs, then remove the workaround (or implement other workarounds for new issues)....they won't be able to do anything else
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Now since:
- we identified that this AC behaviour is sim related
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- since it can be overcome if you understand what happens (I even posted videos of perfectly smooth flights)-
I suppose it is not top priority to generate a fix for it (PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS IS PURELY MY GUESS).
I know other issues that are beeing worked on (not SIM related but CRJ related).