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Since the arrival of the A320/A321 on my system I have a problem that I never have seen with the A318/A319 Professional (and all the Airbus versions before that).

Before taxi the flight controls are tested by moving the joystick up and down and left and right. Also the rudder is tested.

But sometimes the test fails when I move the joystick to the up position. On the PFD I see that the "cursor" (I don't know the name of the cursor that is moving together with the flight controls) goes up to the highest position, so on the PFD everything is OK.

But on the ECAM the triangle which indicates the position of the flight control doesn't slide completely to the highest position when I push the stick completely forward (it gets stuck somewhere in the middle). When this is happening the checklist is stuck and I have to choose skip this item.

When this is happening the airplane behaves normally during flight. Only during one occasion I hit the joystick during flight by accident. As a result the autopilot was switched off, which is normal. But after that I could not switch it on again because there was always a error immediately after it was set to on. As a result the autopilot was switched off again because of the error and I had to fly the airplane manually.

Does anyone else has the same problem that the flight controls on the ECAM display don't behave as expected?

 

Best regards,

Snoopy

Belgium

 

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We have not seen this in any test. Have you tried a full calibration? An incorrect reading of the stick could explain all you see.

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Hello Mathijs,

 

Thanks for your reply. No, I didn't try that. But it doesn't happen each time I fly (about 1/3 of the flights or so I see this problem). And the problem was first seen after install of the A320/321. The weeks before I was flying the A318/319 a lot and then the flight controls behaved as expected.

I will try a calibration to see it has some influence.

 

Best regards,

Snoopy

Belgium

 

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When I was reading your topic I was also thinking that these 2 can be related. Is the behavior on your PDF also normal and on your ECAM wrong? But in my case the elevator on the ecam moves when I move the flight control up and down, but it doesn't move completely to the highest position, but somewhere around 50%. The down position is no problem.

 

Best regards,

Snoopy

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You will have somewhere, configured the response of the controls in reverse?

 

I apologize for having put this answer elsewhere, in the wrong way

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Vor 1 Stunde, Mathijs Kok sagte:

Could be related. But we never found the cause there.

 

True, I mentioned I will try it out and try to reproduce it. Haven't had time yet to go flying again, but I will try definately and report back to you.

 

vor 52 Minuten, snoopy_belgium sagte:

When I was reading your topic I was also thinking that these 2 can be related. Is the behavior on your PDF also normal and on your ECAM wrong? But in my case the elevator on the ecam moves when I move the flight control up and down, but it doesn't move completely to the highest position, but somewhere around 50%. The down position is no problem.

 

Best regards,

Snoopy

 

Yes, the PFD shows the correct movement of the stick, so full up or full down (shown on the first screenshot in the other post). The FCTL page however shows the elevator either stuck on full down or like shaking rapidly up and down around neutral. It doesn't go to the full up position, it moves to the neutral position at maximum before it smashes back down to full down..

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gerade, Miguel_V sagte:

You will have somewhere, configured the response of the controls in reverse?

 

I apologize for having put this answer elsewhere, in the wrong way

Nope. It completely works on one flight but in the next it might be shaky.. I can also rule out a hardware defect 100%!

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I have re-calibrated my stick in P3D and I will test it during the next flights. But it will take some time before I can see the result.

 

Best regards,

Snoopy

Belgium

 

 

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23 hours ago, flying_David said:

Nope. It completely works on one flight but in the next it might be shaky.. I can also rule out a hardware defect 100%!

 

Well as it completely worked on one flight you can also rule out software. It's digital, it either works or it does not, under the same condition it will always behave the same way. 

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vor 2 Stunden , Mathijs Kok sagte:

 

Well as it completely worked on one flight you can also rule out software. It's digital, it either works or it does not, under the same condition it will always behave the same way. 

Sure, one could say that :-) But on the other hand I know what happend. Unfortunately I didn't make a video of the whole thing, I was simply to surprised :-)

 

I will keep you posted on my further research results

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Also after re-calibration of the stick the problem is still there (see the attached screenshot).

During flight preparation I was hearing the short beep tone again, a problem that was reported by some other users and that has something to do with the variable winds in AS.

So maybe these 2 problems are corelated. I will investigate this further.

 

Best regards,

Snoopy

Belgium

 

 

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I did a flight yesterday and paid close attention to controller vs input, and could not find any issues.

 

I help people with many different issues throughout most every day, and I don't remember if I recommended this to you.  Please try reinstalling all 4 versions of SimConnect and check to see if the problem remains.  There is no need to uninstall SimConnect, just run the installers, which you will find in the REDIST folder inside the main P3D folder.  There are 6 different versions if you include the Japanese and Russian versions (if you don't need these then you can skip them).

 

 

 

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I strongly suggest to delete the P3d.cfg, there is a very good chance the axis assignments are mixed up.

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Today I have made a flight with the A319 and the same problem was happening again. And this time there was no short beep because of variable winds, so taht is something that can be ruled out here.

After starting the engines and the GSX pushback the copilot performed the checklist and the flight controls check was failing.

This time the elevator was completely stuck in the ECAM, but in the PFD everything was OK. So I'm sure that there is nothing wrong with the configuration of the axis of my stick, because the movements of the stick are displayed always correctly in the PFD. Also with other airplanes there is no problem at all.

At the outside the elevator was also not moving at all, so I was wondering how I would get this plane into the air...

Then I started to taxi, and suddenly the elevator was working correctly again.

After entering the runway and performing the before departure checklist, the elevator was still moving, but not completely to the up position anymore (only to 50% of it). Anyway the takeoff and flight were succesful.

After landing and taxiing to the gate I checked the elevator again before shutting down the engine and everything was working fine.

 

So there must be something wrong inside the software of the plane. When there was a problem with the configuration of the controls I would expect that also in the PFD the cursor would not follow the movement of the stick.

 

Best regards,

Snoopy

Belgium

 

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44 minutes ago, snoopy_belgium said:

Today I have made a flight with the A319 and the same problem was happening again. And this time there was no short beep because of variable winds, so taht is something that can be ruled out here.

After starting the engines and the GSX pushback the copilot performed the checklist and the flight controls check was failing.

This time the elevator was completely stuck in the ECAM, but in the PFD everything was OK. So I'm sure that there is nothing wrong with the configuration of the axis of my stick, because the movements of the stick are displayed always correctly in the PFD. Also with other airplanes there is no problem at all.

At the outside the elevator was also not moving at all, so I was wondering how I would get this plane into the air...

Then I started to taxi, and suddenly the elevator was working correctly again.

After entering the runway and performing the before departure checklist, the elevator was still moving, but not completely to the up position anymore (only to 50% of it). Anyway the takeoff and flight were succesful.

After landing and taxiing to the gate I checked the elevator again before shutting down the engine and everything was working fine.

 

So there must be something wrong inside the software of the plane. When there was a problem with the configuration of the controls I would expect that also in the PFD the cursor would not follow the movement of the stick.

 

Best regards,

Snoopy

Belgium

 

 

Did you try what Mathijs and I recommended?

 

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I have reinstalled the simconnect packages as suggested by you, but this doesn't solve the problem.

I had a look at the prepar3d.cfg file but I don't see anything that is related to the flight controls.

 

Best regards,

Snoopy

Belgium

 

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On 10/5/2018 at 9:30 PM, snoopy_belgium said:

So there must be something wrong inside the software of the plane. When there was a problem with the configuration of the controls I would expect that also in the PFD the cursor would not follow the movement of the stick.

 

Well then it would be seen by all users and not just you would it not?

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I'm not alone... flying david also has reported the same issue. When a signal produced by movement of the stick is graphically shown on one screen in the plane and not on the other screen, I believe there must be wrong inside the plane. The signal is there and the flightsim is the receiver of this signal. When the airbus is displaying the result of the movement it means that the signal has reached its destination. So inside the plane there must be some code that in some conditions the signal is not shown in the ECAM and the movement of the elevator is locked.

 

I'm using your airbus already many years and the product was mostly very stable. Like every new product there are also some small errors and in the past Aerosoft always could solve them in a short period of time. So many users, including me, have some patience because Aerosoft is doing its job.

With the latest version I have the idea that the product itself is very stable (there are not many CTD's, so congratulations to the developers!), but I remark different small problems (like this problem) that were not there in the previous versions and that are annoying.

But the plane can be flown and it is sometimes difficult to reproduce these small problems, so I think many users are not reporting these kind of problems to you.

The product is also many times used in combination with other products from other companies (GSX, Active Sky, ...) which can have an influence on your product. Depending on which products a user has installed in the flightsim, a problem can be seen or not.

I have tried to reproduce the error, but when I open the flightsim in an Airbus and switch on the engines everything works fine.

When I do the preparing of the flight like in reality with GSX and I'm 45 minutes at the gate before engines are started, the problem is there in most cases. When the problem is time related, some users that don't need so much time for flight preparation (testers maybe belong to this type of user) will not experience it at all.

 

 

Best regards,

Snoopy

Belgium

 

 

 

 

 

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Okay, then I restate my point. if two (or twenty) users have and issue and tens of thousands have not, would it not be logical to look at those systems and not at the code? At this moment we are simply totally unable to recreate this issue on our systems. I am now at the gate for 50 minutes and all still works on all my three test machines. I simply have no idea what causes this.

 

 

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The controls settings are located at: C:\Users\{YOUR USERNAME]\AppData\Roaming\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v4\Controls.  Just move the "Standard" files to your desktop (Backup) and they will be rebuilt the next time you start P3D.  Give that a try.

 

Best wishes.

 

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I have removed the control files as suggested by you. During the first flight everything was OK.

But I have two controls: one X52 stick for the airbus and a yoke for the smaller planes. After configuration of the yoke I have the same problem again.

The yoke is not connected when the problem occurs, only the X52 stick.

Maybe the airbus is confused when multiple devices are configured in P3D?

 

Best regards,

Snoopy

Belgium

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2 hours ago, snoopy_belgium said:

I have removed the control files as suggested by you. During the first flight everything was OK.

But I have two controls: one X52 stick for the airbus and a yoke for the smaller planes. After configuration of the yoke I have the same problem again.

The yoke is not connected when the problem occurs, only the X52 stick.

Maybe the airbus is confused when multiple devices are configured in P3D?

 

Best regards,

Snoopy

Belgium

 

This is certainly perplexing, and I'm sorry you're suffering from this problem.  I have a Saitek Yoke, Dual Thrust Levers, Trim Wheel, Rudder Pedals and a Joystick (Side Stick) plus a Radio Panel, Switch Panel and Multi-Panel and an Xbox controller (for ChasePlane) all connected to P3D with no issues whatsoever.

 

Given everything, I have to believe this is either a Windows or P3D installation/update issue.

 

 

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11 hours ago, DaveCT2003 said:

 

This is certainly perplexing, and I'm sorry you're suffering from this problem.  I have a Saitek Yoke, Dual Thrust Levers, Trim Wheel, Rudder Pedals and a Joystick (Side Stick) plus a Radio Panel, Switch Panel and Multi-Panel and an Xbox controller (for ChasePlane) all connected to P3D with no issues whatsoever.

 

Given everything, I have to believe this is either a Windows or P3D installation/update issue.

 

 

Dave,

May I suggest something, which is unfortunately not part of AS official policy?

I also had lots of problems with axes control hardware Saitec Yoke and Thrustmaster joystick in particular. There is definitely some drivers' interference on Windows or P3D level, which makes them working improper when used in one configuration. My go around method was using FSUIPC with different profiles for big and small planes.

Just a suggestion of course :)

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