cobit 4 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Hallo zusammen, ich bin relativ neu in MSFS und habe mir als Inselfan das Paket "East Frisian Islands Airfields" gekauft. So weit so gut. Nach der Installation musste ich erst einmal neu booten, weil da zunächst nichts irgendwie schöner oder besser aussah. Jetzt habe ich aktuell folgende Problemstellung: MSFS 1.26.5.0 Mit einer Diamond DA40 TDI möchte ich von Norderney EDWY auf der 26 starten. Nach etwa 5 min Wartezeit erscheint dann auch die Szenerie, allerdings stehe ich auf der 08, nicht 26. Ja, ich habe es mehrfach probiert, ist wiederholbar so. Wenn ich Full Throttle gebe, geht die Drehzahl kurz hoch, um dann wieder abzusacken auf etwa 900 RPM. Kurzum, das Flugzeug bewegt sich nicht von der Stelle. Ich habe das gleiche auf anderen Inseln ausprobiert (EDWL, EDWG), hier läuft alles problemlos. Ich kann dann auch zu EDWY hinfliegen, scheint soweit zu gehen. Aber der Start wie oben beschrieben geht nicht ... Was habe ich falsch gemacht? Viele Grüße, Cobit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted August 19, 2022 Aerosoft Share Posted August 19, 2022 I confirm the runway number issue and will forward that to the developers. A scenery however is not able to control the throttle, so that is most likely a double assignment of the throttle axis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobit 4 Posted August 22, 2022 Author Share Posted August 22, 2022 Thank you for confirmation of the runway direction issue. The throttle issue ONLY happens on EDWY, in combination with the runway direction issue. So the issue is location dependend. I understand that a scenery cannot control the throttle, however, it didnt happen before I installed the scenery, and it happens only there. So apparently there is a dependency/issue between the scenery and MSFS (or the plane type) which makes the sim unplayable at that location. I'll try with another plane type and report back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobit 4 Posted August 22, 2022 Author Share Posted August 22, 2022 I tested the same situation with a standard C172. Same behaviour. Engine power is just jumping up and down. At Langeoog EDWL Rwy 23, no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted August 22, 2022 Aerosoft Share Posted August 22, 2022 Simply no idea what to say here, we are unable to create it, have no other reports and would now know how this technically even could happen. Would some other users be so kind to try this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs mopperle 4162 Posted August 22, 2022 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted August 22, 2022 Ich habe das jetzt nochmal gecheckt und kann auch das Problem mit der rwy bestätigen, aber nicht das Problem mit den Power settings. Habe es mit 3 verschiedenen Typen getestet (Cessna, Diamond und Cub), keine Probleme. Die Szenerie ist ja schon ne ganz Weile draußen und bisher hat noch niemand ein derartiges Problem gemeldet. Ich vermute daher, dass bei dir lokal irgendetwas nicht so ist, wie es sein soll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted August 22, 2022 Aerosoft Share Posted August 22, 2022 Somebody suggested to make sure all assistant options are off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft SimWare 731 Posted August 22, 2022 Aerosoft Share Posted August 22, 2022 4 hours ago, cobit said: I tested the same situation with a standard C172. Same behaviour. Engine power is just jumping up and down. - What hardware are you using, please ? - Is FSUIPC installed ? - If any hardware is connected, can you please physically unplug them all and manage the throttle with the mouse to see if the issue occurs again ? --> This is to COMPLETELY rule out hardware cause, even if it only happens at that location. - If harwdare removal doesn't solve the issue and if FSUIPC is installed, please uninstall it for test only. Best regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs mopperle 4162 Posted August 22, 2022 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted August 22, 2022 Ergänzende Frage: Add-on über Marketplace oder direkt bei Aersoft gekauft? Welche Version ist installiert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobit 4 Posted August 23, 2022 Author Share Posted August 23, 2022 Thanks to you all for the support! Answers: - I don't know what FSUIPC is. So probably I don't have it. - The package was installed directly from Marketplace. Version: 1.2.0 from Jan 10, 2021 sais in "Versionsverlauf" - Assistent options off: Where can I do that? - Yoke is a Saitek Pro Flight Yoke System. I can disconnect but then I dont know how to control plane or throttle. - Hardware: PC 16 GB, Win 10 21H2 19044.1889 Meanwhile I tried again with a Pipistrel Virus SW121. If I switch the throttle fast back/for/back/for I can get some airspeed and finally take off. I also see the animated throttle lever jumping back/for/back/for Soon after take-off the throttle reacts normal. Kind regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft SimWare 731 Posted August 23, 2022 Aerosoft Share Posted August 23, 2022 Hi, 29 minutes ago, cobit said: Yoke is a Saitek Pro Flight Yoke System. I can disconnect but then I dont know how to control plane or throttle. ---> Just disconnect it and advance the throttle with the mouse (point and click-hold on the throttle lever knob and move the mouse forward) Please login to display this image. 29 minutes ago, cobit said: If I switch the throttle fast back/for/back/for I can get some airspeed and finally take off. I also see the animated throttle lever jumping back/for/back/for ---> I don't really get what it means, however this seems to be some hardware issue. You can post a short clip to illustrate the behavior, maybe. 29 minutes ago, cobit said: - Assistent options off: Where can I do that? ---> Check below : Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Best regards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft SimWare 731 Posted August 23, 2022 Aerosoft Share Posted August 23, 2022 Hi again, You may have your MSFS in German. In this case, the ASSISTANCE option change will look as follows : Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Best regards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ha_Ma 195 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 @cobit: Was passiert wenn du dein Flugzeug Cold & Dark, also an einer Parkposition startest, reagiert der Throttle dann normal? Edit: Ich habe jetzt auch mal mit der DA40 TDI und der C172 (Classic) getestet. Das Runway 08 Problem wurde ja bereits bestätigt, aber Throttle funktioniert bei mir auch normal, sowohl über Axis And Ohs, als auch über FS2020 Standard Profile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobit 4 Posted August 24, 2022 Author Share Posted August 24, 2022 Thanks y'all again for support. I have news: After setting Unterstützungsoptionen to "Realistisch" I finally can do a normal power-up and take-off on EDWY. How strange is that? Now I wonder which options could be the reason? And why only at EDWY? Here are my options from before: Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobit 4 Posted August 24, 2022 Author Share Posted August 24, 2022 Interesting: When I set the Unterstützungsoptionen to "Alle Unterstützungssysteme" (which means "EINFACH" to all options) then I have the power setting effect again. I cannot get power, and not take-off. When using the mouse and disconnecting the yoke then I see that the power lever jumps right back to neutral, or when I slowly move it then jumps back and forth. After setting the Unterstützugsoptionen to "Mittelweg" (which means "MITTELWEG" to all options) then all runs fine. My fazit: there is a Unterstützungssysteme setting which somehow conflicts with the power setting, but only when located at EDWY, with the Islands package installed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobit 4 Posted August 24, 2022 Author Share Posted August 24, 2022 I think I found it: If I switch the option Unterstützungsoptionen->Pilotensteuerung->Unterstützter Start to "EIN" then I have the bad power setting effect at EDWY. If I switch this option to "AUS" then everything runs fine is as it should be. If someone could confirm? Please login to display this image. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ha_Ma 195 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Ich habe schon oft gelesen, dass die Pilotenunterstützungen den von dir genannten Fehler verursachen, dann allerdings generell und nicht nur auf einem bestimmten Flugplatz. Deshalb hatte ich auch nicht angenommen, dass das hier das Problem sei. Aber ist ja gut wenn du es lösen konntest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobit 4 Posted August 26, 2022 Author Share Posted August 26, 2022 Naja, es ist ein Workaround, keine Lösung. Eine Lösung würde ich durch Aerosoft erwarten. Irgendwas ist an der Location EDWY schräg, sodass ich am falschen Runway stehe und die Startunterstützung dort spinnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted August 26, 2022 Aerosoft Share Posted August 26, 2022 Unless we can recreate the issue (and so far nobody has been able to confirm this issue) it will be simply impossible to change. As said before, as far as we are aware, as far as the SDK tells us, there simply is not mechanism where a scenery could affect engines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobit 4 Posted September 2, 2022 Author Share Posted September 2, 2022 Hello Mathijs, well, it looks like that so far nobody has even tried to confirm the issue. I am not saying that the scenery effects an engine, but at least for me it looks like the scenery is affecting the function "Unterstützter Start", and only at EDWY. The scenery also should not effect the start runway, but it was confirmed that it does. Again, only at EDWY. So with all respect, it looks like there is something odd. Greeting, Cobit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quebrantahuesos 8 Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Sorry for answering in english, but my german is very basic. I just came across this topic, can confirm the rwy issue, but not the power issue. Tested it with default and add-on (Porter and Twotter) aircraft. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted September 5, 2022 Aerosoft Share Posted September 5, 2022 On 9/2/2022 at 1:54 PM, cobit said: well, it looks like that so far nobody has even tried to confirm the issue. Well I did and as you can read in this topic several other people as well. So I do not understand why you say nobody even tried. We did, we are unable to confirm the issue, so far nobody has been able to confirm the issue. So what exactly do you want us to do? Start making blind changes in the file in the hope it changes things for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ha_Ma 195 Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Well, to be honest: I really did not make my tests with "Unterstützter Start" because my assistance options are set to "As real" allways. Nothing else does make sense for me in a Simulator. And from other Forums i know that the pilot's assistances can cause several issues (steering on ground in example). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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