keenrw 59 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Hi I have noticed that the STARs for Biggin Hill are out of date, they were changed a while back , the airport normally uses the same STARs as London City (which are correct). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs mopperle 4162 Posted May 24, 2020 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted May 24, 2020 How do you come to that conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keenrw 59 Posted May 24, 2020 Author Share Posted May 24, 2020 34 minutes ago, mopperle said: How do you come to that conclusion? Comparing it to the Navigraph charts and i worked there in ATC some time back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted May 24, 2020 Aerosoft Share Posted May 24, 2020 All this data comes directly from Lufthansa Data Systems so if your set is up to date, all the aircraft that use this dataset (most European carriers) will see the same issue as you see. We are unable to edit any data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keenrw 59 Posted May 24, 2020 Author Share Posted May 24, 2020 OK thanks for that ... I asked a mate who uses the NAVDATA pro Airac and the STARS are correct and up to date in that but the Charts have not been updated to reflect this change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs mopperle 4162 Posted May 24, 2020 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted May 24, 2020 Do you have an example of what is not correct? I compared charts from Eurocontrol with those from NavdataPro and Navigraph and at a first glance I couldnt see any difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keenrw 59 Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share Posted May 25, 2020 Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. As you can see some STARs have been renamed but it's not reflected in the NavData Charts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbus Lover 1 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 It’s exactly the same and latest chart that is available at the Lido viewer I’ve just checked it. My Best Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keenrw 59 Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share Posted May 25, 2020 34 minutes ago, Airbus Lover said: It’s exactly the same and latest chart that is available at the Lido viewer I’ve just checked it. My Best Regards Check the name of the STARS eg on the Navdata pro chart the STAR from XAMAM (North East) is called the GODLU 1K .. whereas the new STAR on Navigraph is called XAMAM 1X ....the STAR from KONAN is now the KONAN 1C ..on Navdata pro its still the older GODLU1C the star from BEDEK is now the BEDEK 1C not the GODLU 1A etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs mopperle 4162 Posted May 25, 2020 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted May 25, 2020 OK, now I see what you mean. It is the naming, while the routs are still te same. Unfortunately there is nothing Aerosoft can do, as AS can only offer what it got from LHS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srcooke 422 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 UK AIS cycle 2006 only list OSVEV RNAV transitions and no STAR's: RNAV1 (DME/DME or GNSS) TRANSITION ARRIVAL CHART - INSTRUMENT RWY 21 OSVEV 1G 1J - ICAO Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs mopperle 4162 Posted May 25, 2020 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted May 25, 2020 But they refer to the STARs for EGLC: Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keenrw 59 Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share Posted May 25, 2020 Yeah so as I said they use the same STARs for London City , which have been updated on the City charts but the ones on Biggin Hill are out of date ....Navigraph as you can see have the correct ones as well ref KB but Navdata pro uses the old ones......the Nav Data pro airacs also have the correct nav data it's just the charts are not correct atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbus Lover 1 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 What it may happen and correct me if I’m wrong, is that Biggin hill airport doesn’t receive scheduled Airline flights ( that are LIDO’s Main Costumers and Target) by what I saw....on the other hand Jeppesen is available for all from Private Pilots to Airlines and military also. But correct me if I’m wrong what may happen is that if a Lido Airline client has special flight to that airport the chart may be updated accordingly?.... My Best Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs The Dude 6537 Posted May 26, 2020 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted May 26, 2020 16 hours ago, Airbus Lover said: But correct me if I’m wrong what may happen is that if a Lido Airline client has special flight to that airport the chart may be updated accordingly?... It could very well be that LIDO forgot to update these charts. There are always some small (and big) errors to be found once in an while with their charts IRL. If they are aware of it they will post a notice to the "real world" costumers. In this case they would most probably refer to the EGLC charts and update EGKB with the next cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs mopperle 4162 Posted May 26, 2020 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted May 26, 2020 I think another reason can be: for EGKB no STARs are published in the AIP, they only refer to EGLC. So I suggest that as a pilot you use the charts for EGLC and those are uptodate in LIDO: Please login to display this image. The only thing I do not understand in that case, why do they still have the old charts in their repository. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbus Lover 1 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 On 5/26/2020 at 8:21 AM, mopperle said: The only thing I do not understand in that case, why do they still have the old charts in their repository. Hello, maybe for Reference only? If the chart is needed they will update him some time before the flight On request, usually It works that way ( this was what I was told). My Best Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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