sulebust 0 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Hi ! In the latest release of Computer Pilot magazine (August 2007) there is a half-page commercial for the Aerosoft Catalina presenting it as released. However, I cannot find this yet in your webshop. Is it me not finding it or is it not released yed ? Regards Bernt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malloy 1 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Hi there! Please be so kind and scan the advertisment for me. I collect that. My email: malloyshangar@gmx.at Lets hope that we all get some update here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Fletcher 570 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Hello Folks, I'll ask Mathijs if he knows anything about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted August 15, 2007 Aerosoft Share Posted August 15, 2007 Hello Folks, I'll ask Mathijs if he knows anything about this. I have not seen the add, but the projects has just today revived from a dormant state to something more alive. We needed all resources on other projects for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulebust 0 Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 OK! Great to hear that something is happening. I have enclosed the commercial so you can see for yourself since I got the impression you did not know about it :-) We definately have something to look forward to. -Bernt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted August 15, 2007 Aerosoft Share Posted August 15, 2007 OK! Great to hear that something is happening. I have enclosed the commercial so you can see for yourself since I got the impression you did not know about it :-) We definately have something to look forward to. -Bernt right, I'll make sure we avoid that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrud 0 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Why would the developers let the marketing guys put out those pics of incorrect cockpits and external models of the PBY? it seems like it would hurt sales. they should of at least said "beta images" on the page somewhere. those pics would not sell me on the product. if they said "work in progress" it would keep my interest up. that Ad looks to be selling those pics as the final product. i really hope that is not the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted August 15, 2007 Aerosoft Share Posted August 15, 2007 Why would the developers let the marketing guys put out those pics of incorrect cockpits and external models of the PBY? it seems like it would hurt sales. they should of at least said "beta images" on the page somewhere. those pics would not sell me on the product. if they said "work in progress" it would keep my interest up. that Ad looks to be selling those pics as the final product. i really hope that is not the case Well I see your point, but the lead time that marketing needs does not always allow these things to be handled as well as they could be in an ideal world. Keep in mind Aerosoft is a big company these days, we have several releases each week, not like some of friends who have a new product every few months. A shifting release date, how valid it might be, disrupts a lot of the planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snave 466 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Why would the developers let the marketing guys put out those pics of incorrect cockpits and external models of the PBY? it seems like it would hurt sales. they should of at least said "beta images" on the page somewhere. those pics would not sell me on the product. if they said "work in progress" it would keep my interest up. that Ad looks to be selling those pics as the final product. i really hope that is not the case It seems that your unremitting, unrelenting criticism is destined to continue. Have you thought about not buying this product? I am sure it would benefit all of us if you didn't. I seem to recall asking you for your credentials to make such observations and comments once before. You didn't supply them then. Either you forgot, or don't have them. So 'll ask again: What makes you so well positioned that you can criticise a product that you have no knowledge of, other than what has been released to you in these forums? `Incorrect` cockpits? So just how many Catalinas have you flown? Please don't let Thrud be the sound of your credibility hitting the floor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted August 15, 2007 Aerosoft Share Posted August 15, 2007 Well I see your point, but the lead time that marketing needs does not always allow these things to be handled as well as they could be in an ideal world. Keep in mind Aerosoft is a big company these days, we have several releases each week, not like some of friends who have a new product every few months. A shifting release date, how valid it might be, disrupts a lot of the planning. Forgot to add... in cases like this the developers are not the people who decide what to show or not. They are just paid for the work, like in any other project. It was me who decided to show the product there, before I found out I needed the developers for other work. Aerosoft is both a distributing and development company, this is an internal development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulebust 0 Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 Hey guys ! No reason to argue about this. My initial post was based on pure confusion (yes.. it happens....). I though the product was not ready and then I saw the add... just had to make sure about the status. I dont care about the pictures in the add. I love the Cat. I want to fly the Cat and even if it is not 100% realistic... I would buy it anyway. The pictures Mathjis has shown us so far shows great promise. It is of course unfortunate that the add gets out like this before the product and I am sure that your homepage get visited by customers looking for it. But that is how life can be in a big company. Maybe you should put up a notice in the shop that it will soon be released or a pre-order form ? And some regular status of the developement is always apprciated by the customers. I really hope that you get the product finished in the not too long future as I am sure it will be a heck of a appreciated release. And hey... you got to admit it... it was a very cool looking commercial... Best regards Bernt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrud 0 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 What makes you so well positioned that you can criticise a product that you have no knowledge of, other than what has been released to you in these forums? greetings Snave, we all have the same goal, we want there to be an accurate simulation of the PBY. currently, my FAA seaplane rating doesn't allow me to fly the PBY but i'm working on that. i live next to a PBY and have used it many times for documenting the cockpit for others in the communtiy that also have the wish of an accurate PBY. i made a 30 min video that i sent to Aerosoft showing, with a tape measure, the distances from everything to everything in that plane; cockpit, nose turret, blister area, etc... my comments are based on pics that are in this forum and the advert of pics taken from this forum. those pics don't compare well with the data i have. i know it's a work in progress even though the advert didn't mention it. please see my comments as trying to make the plane as accurate as possible. i'm very passionate about this AC and i'm hoping that Aerosoft will come through as they typicaly do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skydvdan 2 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 greetings Snave, we all have the same goal, we want there to be an accurate simulation of the PBY. currently, my FAA seaplane rating doesn't allow me to fly the PBY but i'm working on that. i live next to a PBY and have used it many times for documenting the cockpit for others in the communtiy that also have the wish of an accurate PBY. i made a 30 min video that i sent to Aerosoft showing, with a tape measure, the distances from everything to everything in that plane; cockpit, nose turret, blister area, etc... my comments are based on pics that are in this forum and the advert of pics taken from this forum. those pics don't compare well with the data i have. i know it's a work in progress even though the advert didn't mention it. please see my comments as trying to make the plane as accurate as possible. i'm very passionate about this AC and i'm hoping that Aerosoft will come through as they typicaly do. Nice answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snave 466 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Then the point surely, is that they are not recreating YOUR PBY, but a generic WWII-with-mods era cockpit that replicates as closely as possible without being specific, a Catalina? And we are all aware this is a work in progress, and I very much doubt that many will be taking microscopes to the images used in the advertisement. The criticism perhaps, is founded on some feeling of rejection at not being invited to beta... Clearly some here do not understand publishing deadlines, nor the long lead time needed for the supply of camera-ready artwork or digital copy. At some point the advertisement has to be sent, whether it shows the current state of development or not. At an earlier point, design and layout, text and graphics have to be cemented in order for artwork or digitised graphics to be created. All credit to Aerosoft for using in-game footage, rather than artwork or selected images from the developers hard drive. While I am sure we all share the same goals of fidelity, accuracy and a fair representation, Thrud needs to understand the product is not developed for `us` the reality seekers, but for `them` the mass market who want to enjoy a flying boat in the much more water-saturated environment of FSX. Getting the balance right (and not harbouring unrealistic expectations) is a customer commitment, as much as it is a developer one. Thrud it seems will always be unconvinced, and would probably be better off staying away from this one, because it has been made abundantly clear that this PBY is not intended to be his PBY. If one wishes to have influence in the development process, and is not invited to join the beta team, one is best advised to choos a different way than the confrontational path... note how other suggestions have been made in a far more communicative spirit of assistance and benevolence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrud 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 can you site examples of this confrontational path you speak of? you seem to know it well. i'm not familar with it. there are common design traits that all PBY's share. the PBY that i have access to shares those traits. so how does this work now, i ask you for your credentials, right? then you say something witty, i respond, rinse and repeat. if the developers wish me not to give them free help before work is complete they can tell me. the data i have already given them was asked for by them i took this last weekend for you Snave. i'm showing you "mine", now show me yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOZR 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Well i have to agree that to built a long lasting pyramid or a good house better built it from it's base strongly and good. It's the same for models. I have a feeling that Snave take the regular simmer for a ignorant sim pilot. Well i think peoples that will want the PBY will already know what plane it is IMO and this is on FSX not the Xbox. Why not make it right once and built from it. This is my 2c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snave 466 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Well i have to agree that to built a long lasting pyramid or a good house better built it from it's base strongly and good. It's the same for models. I have a feeling that Snave take the regular simmer for a ignorant sim pilot. Well i think peoples that will want the PBY will already know what plane it is IMO and this is on FSX not the Xbox. Why not make it right once and built from it. This is my 2c. Quite right. But what makes the quality of the advertisement any indicator of the final quality of the product? Becasue now Thrud is critiquing the marketing and design, not just the in-development airplane? And what gives non-specialists or wannabe PBY jockeys the right to criticise a product they haven't seen, except via in-progress shots? You can see that Thrud is feeling left out because he wasnt invited on the beta, even after he sent that video of his. I can also see why he wasn't. He's not after the process, only the conclusion, and those kinds of people are best left as customers, not testers. I'm sure at it's completion we will all be able to make our own judgements of the product, with our wallets. Until then, Thruds approach of leaping on every minutiae makes him a beta-tester-without-portfolio. Which is just sad. My credentials are throughout this forum and well known to the developers of this product. I have no reason to repeat them but I do admit my seaplane rating has lapsed, I can also get very close to a Catalina to take photographs, if that proves anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kofi 0 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Snave... I really do like you 8) But my own personal read on this thread is that this spat between you and Thrud won't quit until you've "smashed" him online virtually. Now of course, I also could be mistaken here too. While Thrud has taken his point of view/debate to the Aerosoft developers, you on the other hand are directing your view towards him. Anyways, I think both parties have made their points and now, all that's left is that we the consumers decide amongst ourselves whom we'll ally our beliefs in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cris B. 120 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Snave... I really do like you 8) But my own personal read on this thread is that this spat between you and Thrud won't quit until you've "smashed" him online virtually. Now of course, I also could be mistaken here too. While Thrud has taken his point of view/debate to the Aerosoft developers, you on the other hand are directing your view towards him. Anyways, I think both parties have made their points and now, all that's left is that we the consumers decide amongst ourselves whom we'll ally our beliefs in Well put Kofi! 8) :!: I agree that Snave and Thrud are both allowed to make thier points but snipping back and forth is uncalled for. :wink: Can't we all just get along! :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverickNL 0 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 indeed. anyways i cant wait to get my hands on this cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snave 466 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 I am all for getting on. Perhaps Thrud could try getting on with understanding what a development process actually is, and we can take it from there...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted August 18, 2007 Aerosoft Share Posted August 18, 2007 Most old hands on this forum know Shaun and I keep a tidy but relaxed ship here. We hate politically correct forum management and no message will be removed because there might be somebody somewhere who takes offense of something that is written. I remember being banned from the Compuserve forums because I made the honest (no joke) mistake of writing "[#####] [F4]' intending to write "[shift] [F4]". ##### was a nono word. You could say it in a bar, hear it a zillion time a day on tv, but you could not write it on a forum. Well you can write ##### here as often as you like and the message will stay. There are two things that are not allowed. One is the general rule about discrimination and the likes. Write something that offends peoples race, religion and you will be banned in seconds. The second thing we will never allow is making fun of spelling/grammar mistakes . We got customers from all over the world and for the majority of people participating here English is not their first language. Many customers are hesitating to participate because they are are not fluent in English. They should never be afraid of that. Make jokes on language and you get Shaun will talk to you. Now on to Snave. I know he is banned from many forums, but I never saw any reason to act on what he written here. He knows any message he writes is read and he knows damned well what Shaun and I accept and not accept here. I agree that he is able to push people buttons, in fact he has a cunning ability to do so. He also has the writing skills to post it in a form you often have to read it three time before you understand he is not only countering your arguments with his own, but also challenging you. If you are his target, it feels like he is taking the ###### out of you. And in a way he often does. If he does that as he he does it on our forum (and does not push it a lot further, lol) we'll allow that. But read his posts. He knows what he is talking about and he often puts the finger on a sore spot. I have seen him start discussions that he was banned from and ended in a complete agreement that what he wrote actually was right. Snave is like the blogger from hell, I know if mess up he will come after me as hard as he does on others. And you know, if I mess up, he is welcome to. Let it be known I do not know Simon personally, we have exchanged at most 3 emails in 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted August 18, 2007 Aerosoft Share Posted August 18, 2007 and to get back to the Cat. This afternoon I did the contact points etc for the beaching gear for the PBY-5 and PBY-4 (the versions that have no gear). These gears were attached in the water when the Cats needed to get on land. You can't land on them, but at least you'll be able to park them on land. The models need some tweaking but if you happen to spot something that annoys yoy let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ae_timmy 3 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 nice cars in the background... ..ow, and the Cat looks fine too! I'd buy her... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cris B. 120 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Mathijs, I really like what I see. Great Job! I'm no expert on the cat but I think she is looking pretty close to the real deal! :mrgreen: I can't wait to get her purrrrrring in my fleet! Here kitty kitty! :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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