Driver170 6 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I just hit compute and the TOC is missing its not showing on the OFP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs Tom A320 4915 Posted November 10, 2015 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted November 10, 2015 And what exactly`(in detail!) have you done before hitting the button? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 Set my route, SID and STAR ? TOD is showing though!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs Tom A320 4915 Posted November 10, 2015 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted November 10, 2015 I assumed that But what route, what sid, what star, what everything? That's what I meant with "in detail"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 here we go GOSA1C GOSAM P600 FENIK UL612 DCS L612 LAKEY UL612 RESMI UM975 LUSAR LUSA1R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs Tom A320 4915 Posted November 10, 2015 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted November 10, 2015 And the airports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 EGPH LSGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs Tom A320 4915 Posted November 10, 2015 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted November 10, 2015 With the huge amount of information you are sharing pro-actively it is really easy and fun to help you... Anyway, I have planned a flight with your route and I am getting a TOC. What version of PFPX are you using? What AIRAC cycle? What nav database? Feel free to throw in any more information. ******************************************************************************** F O R I N F O R M A T I O N O N L Y ******************************************************************************** TAG AVIATION UK FLIGHTPLAN - IFR VIP432 D-ASAS EGPH-LSGG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ALL WEIGHTS IN KILOGRAMS (KG) STD 10NOV/2045Z -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OFP 1 - PREPARED 10NOV/2016Z BY TOM VIP432 D-ASAS/A320-214 CFM ROUTE: (MANUAL) DEP: EGPH/EDI 24 ELEV 136 FT CRUISE: LRC TTL G/C DIST: 683 NM ARR: LSGG/GVA 23 ELEV 1411 FT INIT ALT: FL240 TTL F/P DIST: 793 NM FUEL BIAS: 100.0% TTL AIR DIST: 774 NM AVG WIND CMP: TL010 KT ALT: LFLB/CMF 36 ELEV 779 FT 81 NM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CONFIG DOW PAX CARGO TOTAL ULOAD LIM ZFW TOW LDW STANDARD 44100 0 0 0 16900 ZFW MAX 61000 77000 64500 PLN 44100 49947 46001 ACT ...... ...... ...... FUEL CORR ENDUR TRIP 3946 ........ 01:55 CONT 5% 197 ........ 00:07 ALTN LFLB 833 ........ 00:20 FINAL RESV 871 ........ 00:30 MIN T/O 5847 ........ 02:52 ..................................... EXTRA 0 ........ 00:00 CAPTAINS SIGNATURE (....) TAXI 110 ........ 00:10 RELEASE 5957 ........ 03:02 I ACCEPT THIS OFP AND I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE PLANNED ROUTE AND AERODROMES FUEL TANK CAP 18728 KG / MAX EXTRA FUEL 12771 KG LIM BY CAPACITY TRIP CORR FOR 1000 KG TOW INCR: +48 KG / 1000 KG TOW DECR: -48 KG 2000 FT LOWER: +93 KG / EET 01:59 CLB: 250/300/78 DES: 78/300/250 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EGPH STD 20:45Z/20:45L ETD 20:45Z ACT OFBL .... EST T/O 20:55Z ACT T/O .... LSGG STA 22:55Z/23:55L ETA 22:55Z ACT ONBL .... EST LDG 22:50Z ACT LDG .... 02:10 02:10 TTL BLCK .... TTL FLT .... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ATC ROUTE: N0352F240 GOSA1C GOSAM P600 FENIK/N0429F370 UL612 DCS L612 LAKEY UL612 RESMI UM975 LUSAR LUSA1R ALTERNATE PLANNING -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ALTN/RWY DIST ALT/FL MSA COMP TIME FUEL DIFF ROUTE LFLB/36 81 FL160 130 HD002 00:20 833 - GVA DCT LTP LSMP/23 94 FL180 173 TL009 00:22 884 +51 MOLU3A MOLUS N871 SOSAL Z61 FRI FRI1B LSGS/25 95 FL180 173 TL013 00:21 884 +51 MOLU3A MOLUS N871 SOSAL VADA1N LFLL/36R 169 FL190 130 HD012 00:37 1408 +575 DEPU3A DEPUL G5 VEROT R31 AGREV MEZI5N -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AWY WAYPOINT MT ALT MSA FREQ TAS LEG FUEL REM / USED LEG ACC -FIR NAME ISA WND/SPD GS REM POSITION ETO / ATO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EGPH/24 136 040 5.8 / 0.1 EDINBURGH 793 N5557.3 W00321.5 ...../..... GOSA1C UW 242 *CLB 040 368.0 6 5.5 / 0.4 03 00.03 EDINBURGH P00 788 N5554.3 W00330.2 ...../..... GOSA1C D263E 263 *CLB 040 5 5.4 / 0.5 01 00.04 UW263005 P01 783 N5553.4 W00339.1 ...../..... GOSA1C D263J 263 *CLB 040 5 5.4 / 0.6 01 00.05 UW263010 P02 778 N5552.6 W00347.1 ...../..... GOSA1C MAVIX 263 *CLB 040 10 5.2 / 0.8 03 00.08 P02 768 N5550.8 W00404.8 ...../..... GOSA1C GOSAM 233 *CLB 040 5 5.1 / 0.8 01 00.09 P03 763 N5547.3 W00412.0 ...../..... *TOC 219 FL240 040 352 3 5.1 / 0.9 00 00.09 P03 245/092 271 760 N5545.0 W00415.0 ...../..... P600 FENIK 219 *CLB 040 2 5.1 / 0.9 01 00.10 P03 757 N5542.9 W00417.5 ...../..... UL612 DCS 155 FL370 045 115.20 428 68 4.6 / 1.4 08 00.18 -EGTT DEAN CROSS P01 244/079 423 689 N5443.3 W00320.4 ...../..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 ******************************************************************************** F O R I N F O R M A T I O N O N L Y ******************************************************************************** VRYREU FLIGHTPLAN - IFR RYR1195 RYR EGPH-LSGG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ALL WEIGHTS IN KILOGRAMS (KG) STD 10NOV/2030Z -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OFP 1 - PREPARED 10NOV/2003Z BY VERNON HOWELLS RYR1195 RYR/B737-8ERW CF ROUTE: (MANUAL) DEP: EGPH/EDI 24 ELEV 136 FT COST INDEX: 6 TTL G/C DIST: 683 NM ARR: LSGG/GVA 23 ELEV 1411 FT INIT ALT: FL240 TTL F/P DIST: 793 NM FUEL BIAS: 103.0% TTL AIR DIST: 774 NM AVG WIND CMP: TL010 KT ALT: LSZH/ZRH 14 ELEV 1417 FT 148 NM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CONFIG DOW PAX CARGO TOTAL ULOAD LIM ZFW TOW LDW STANDARD 41413 13035 8238 ZFW MAX 62686 79242 66360 PLN 54448 61468 56964 ACT ...... ...... ...... FUEL CORR ENDUR TRIP 4504 ........ 01:54 CONT 5% 225 ........ 00:07 ALTN LSZH 1312 ........ 00:29 FINAL RESV 979 ........ 00:30 MIN T/O 7020 ........ 03:00 ..................................... EXTRA 0 ........ 00:00 CAPTAINS SIGNATURE (....) TAXI 200 ........ 00:15 RELEASE 7220 ........ 03:15 I ACCEPT THIS OFP AND I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE PLANNED ROUTE AND AERODROMES FUEL TANK CAP 20891 KG / MAX EXTRA FUEL 9396 KG LIM BY LDW TRIP CORR FOR 1000 KG TOW INCR: +46 KG / 1000 KG TOW DECR: -54 KG 2000 FT LOWER: +146 KG / EET 01:57 CLB: 250/280/78 DES: 78/280/250 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EGPH STD 20:30Z/20:30L ETD 20:30Z ACT OFBL .... EST T/O 20:45Z ACT T/O .... LSGG STA 22:49Z/23:49L ETA 22:49Z ACT ONBL .... EST LDG 22:39Z ACT LDG .... 02:19 02:19 TTL BLCK .... TTL FLT .... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ATC ROUTE: N0444F390 GOSA1C GOSAM UL612 RESMI UM975 PIXIS/N0352F230 UM975 LUSAR LUSA1R ALTERNATE PLANNING -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ALTN/RWY DIST ALT/FL MSA COMP TIME FUEL DIFF ROUTE LSZH/14 148 FL090 173 TL012 00:29 1312 - KONI3D KONIL Z63 SOSAL N871 TELNO W112 FRI G5 WIL WIL2Z -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AWY WAYPOINT MT ALT MSA FREQ TAS LEG FUEL REM / USED LEG ACC -FIR NAME ISA WND/SPD GS REM POSITION ETO / ATO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EGPH/24 136 040 7.0 / 0.2 EDINBURGH 793 N5557.3 W00321.5 ...../..... GOSA1C UW 242 *CLB 040 368.0 6 6.6 / 0.6 03 00.03 EDINBURGH P05 788 N5554.3 W00330.2 ...../..... GOSA1C D263E 263 *CLB 040 5 6.5 / 0.7 01 00.04 UW263005 P06 783 N5553.4 W00339.1 ...../..... GOSA1C D263J 263 *CLB 040 5 6.4 / 0.8 01 00.05 UW263010 P05 778 N5552.6 W00347.1 ...../..... GOSA1C MAVIX 263 *CLB 040 10 6.2 / 1.0 02 00.07 P05 768 N5550.8 W00404.8 ...../..... GOSA1C GOSAM 233 *CLB 040 5 6.1 / 1.1 01 00.08 P05 763 N5547.3 W00412.0 ...../..... UL612 DCS 159 *CLB 045 115.20 73 5.4 / 1.8 11 00.19 -EGTT DEAN CROSS P01 689 N5443.3 W00320.4 ...../..... UL612 LAKEY 160 FL390 045 443 32 5.2 / 2.0 04 00.23 M00 245/066 437 658 N5414.3 W00258.9 ...../..... UL612 CALDA 160 FL390 043 442 30 5.1 / 2.1 04 00.27 M01 245/065 436 627 N5346.4 W00238.6 ...../..... UL612 CROFT 160 FL390 036 442 10 5.0 / 2.2 01 00.28 M01 246/064 436 618 N5337.6 W00232.3 ...../..... UL612 BARTN 160 FL390 036 442 10 5.0 / 2.2 02 00.30 M01 246/063 436 607 N5328.2 W00225.7 ...../..... UL612 LOVEL 160 FL390 036 442 14 4.9 / 2.3 02 00.32 M01 246/061 437 593 N5315.1 W00216.5 ...../..... UL612 HON 160 FL390 036 113.65 441 58 4.6 / 2.6 08 00.40 HONILEY M00 250/053 440 535 N5221.4 W00139.8 ...../..... UL612 IXURA 155 FL390 026 441 19 4.5 / 2.7 02 00.42 M00 251/055 444 515 N5204.1 W00125.7 ...../..... UL612 COWLY 155 FL390 026 440 30 4.4 / 2.8 04 00.46 M01 256/060 449 485 N5137.0 W00103.9 ...../..... UL612 WOD 146 FL390 024 352.0 439 12 4.3 / 2.9 02 00.48 WOODLEY M01 257/061 458 473 N5127.2 W00052.7 ...../..... UL612 MID 160 FL390 023 114.00 440 26 4.2 / 3.0 03 00.51 MIDHURST M01 258/062 446 447 N5103.2 W00037.5 ...../..... UL612 BOGNA 147 FL390 023 439 25 4.1 / 3.1 04 00.55 M01 259/063 460 422 N5042.1 W00015.1 ...../..... UL612 BENBO 148 FL390 022 439 18 4.0 / 3.2 02 00.57 M01 259/064 459 404 N5027.1 E00000.6 ...../..... UL612 HAWKE 148 FL390 021 438 6 4.0 / 3.2 01 00.58 M01 259/064 460 398 N5022.5 E00005.4 ...../..... UL612 XAMAB 148 FL390 021 438 12 3.9 / 3.3 01 00.59 -LFFF M01 260/064 460 386 N5012.3 E00015.9 ...../..... UL612 VEULE 148 FL390 021 437 25 3.8 / 3.4 04 01.03 M01 261/064 460 361 N4951.4 E00037.2 ...../..... UL612 INPAX 142 FL390 025 437 35 3.7 / 3.6 04 01.07 M01 262/064 467 326 N4924.5 E00110.8 ...../..... UL612 RESMI 142 FL390 028 437 64 3.4 / 3.9 08 01.15 M02 268/061 466 262 N4834.1 E00211.5 ...../..... UM975 PEKIM 125 FL390 023 435 31 3.2 / 4.0 04 01.19 M02 269/061 483 231 N4816.5 E00249.5 ...../..... UM975 PILUL 142 FL390 024 436 15 3.2 / 4.0 02 01.21 M02 269/060 470 217 N4805.0 E00302.9 ...../..... UM975 PIMUP 157 FL390 039 435 35 3.0 / 4.2 05 01.26 M04 273/048 454 181 N4732.4 E00323.3 ...../..... UM975 PIXIS 157 *DES 053 39 2.8 / 4.4 05 01.31 M04 142 N4656.4 E00345.2 ...../..... UM975 PIBAT 111 *DES 053 22 2.8 / 4.4 03 01.34 P04 120 N4648.3 E00415.6 ...../..... UM975 LUSAR 101 FL230 081 352 39 2.7 / 4.5 05 01.39 P09 269/039 390 81 N4640.1 E00510.8 ...../..... *TOD 102 FL230 081 352 2 2.7 / 4.5 00 01.39 P09 269/039 390 79 N4639.6 E00514.2 ...../..... LUSA1R SAUNI 102 *DES 081 10 2.7 / 4.5 02 01.41 -LFEE P09 68 N4637.4 E00528.7 ...../..... LUSA1R LIRKO 102 *DES 081 14 2.7 / 4.5 02 01.43 P10 54 N4634.2 E00548.9 ...../..... LUSA1R DINIG 144 *DES 081 6 2.7 / 4.5 01 01.44 -LFMM P11 49 N4629.7 E00553.4 ...../..... LUSA1R SOVAD 144 *DES 130 12 2.7 / 4.5 02 01.46 P14 37 N4620.3 E00602.9 ...../..... LUSA1R GG507 044 *DES 130 9 2.7 / 4.6 01 01.47 -LSAS P12 28 N4626.5 E00612.0 ...../..... LUSA1R GG514 044 *DES 130 9 2.6 / 4.6 02 01.49 P07 20 N4632.4 E00620.8 ...../..... LUSA1R LSGG/23 207 1411 130 20 2.5 / 4.7 05 01.54 GENEVA N4615.0 E00607.6 ...../..... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WIND INFORMATION - OBS ASKY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (CLIMB) LAKEY CROFT HON FL380 245/069 -56 FL430 246/067 -57 FL430 246/064 -57 FL430 251/053 -57 FL310 242/070 -44 FL410 246/067 -57 FL410 246/064 -57 FL410 251/053 -57 FL230 244/072 -25 FL390 246/067 -57 FL390 246/064 -57 FL390 251/053 -57 FL150 251/065 -10 FL370 245/068 -55 FL370 245/065 -55 FL370 249/055 -55 FL070 254/046 +6 FL350 244/069 -52 FL350 245/066 -52 FL350 247/056 -52 COWLY BOGNA VEULE RESMI FL430 257/060 -58 FL430 259/064 -58 FL430 261/065 -58 FL430 269/061 -58 FL410 257/060 -58 FL410 259/064 -58 FL410 261/065 -58 FL410 269/061 -58 FL390 257/060 -58 FL390 259/064 -58 FL390 261/065 -58 FL390 269/061 -58 FL370 256/060 -55 FL370 259/063 -55 FL370 261/064 -55 FL370 268/061 -55 FL350 255/060 -52 FL350 259/063 -51 FL350 260/064 -51 FL350 268/061 -51 PILUL (DESCENT) FL430 270/061 -58 FL220 272/038 -20 FL410 270/061 -58 FL180 277/035 -12 FL390 270/061 -58 FL130 275/025 0 FL370 269/061 -55 FL090 267/010 +11 FL350 269/061 -51 4000 281/005 +13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- END FLIGHTPLAN 01286 RYR1195 RYR EGPH-LSGG 10NOV2015 PFPX 1.23 AIRAC 1511 If i change it to runway 06 it works? 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Driver170 6 Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 Why is it doing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 I'm really loving PFPX tonight good one, thanks for ruining my evening flight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs Tom A320 4915 Posted November 10, 2015 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted November 10, 2015 The route you have given first and the route in your flight plan are not identical. Sorry, but I am not going to give that one a try as well. It simply can't be that even after you have been asked for DETAILED information you still give not even the least bit of information which would be needed to reproduce your problem. As an honest advice: for the future you really have to be a little bit cooperative if you want/need/ask for serious help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 Yeh because i'm trying different routes and its all the same, i even tried your route and no TOC. but how can i reproduce it? i set my route up just the same for the past year and what you do probably aswel but somehow i'm getting this gremlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 well over routes are working just that route to LSGG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpgmultimodal 61 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I just tried another route and I have the TOC. FPX 1.23 Win XP. Regards, JP Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 I found the problem and its a bug. Try validating my route and correct the both errors by setting altitude restrictions at LUSAR and PIXIS after setting two waypoint rest i get CFMU validated great job, BUT my TOC goes away Just confirmed it a third time, this is a problem i don't know why, soon as i enter the second rest at pixis i loose my TOC Ok for some reason its working fine now, but soon as i start changing the ZFW and the alternate airport the TOC goes away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 13 minutes ago, Driver170 said: I found the problem and its a bug. Try validating my route and correct the both errors by setting altitude restrictions at LUSAR and PIXIS after setting two waypoint rest i get CFMU validated great job, BUT my TOC goes away Just confirmed it a third time, this is a problem i don't know why, soon as i enter the second rest at pixis i loose my TOC Ok for some reason its working fine now, but soon as i start changing the ZFW and the alternate airport the TOC goes away. I have found the real problem if you set everything up with the hint tab at the top, let PFPX set the alternate airports and then hit compute and go back and change it to one airport and then press compute your TOC should be gone? it does for me. can someone test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 I've lost hope now. it just seems to be doing it on this route when i start to change things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 Ok i will prove this bug Ok the first two pics showing you PFPX choosing the alternate aiports i hit compute and the TOC is showing on the OFP correct? Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. For the second part i then change the alternates to just one LSZH showing and once i hit compute my TOC has gone from the OFP Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Can someone please explain this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpgmultimodal 61 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Now I found something else. I do not know if it is going to explain your problem but there is no airway between GOSAM and RESMI. You should write GOSAM P600 FENIK UL612 RESMI. Obviously you have an old database. I tried the same than youdid with automatic alternates, then changing the altn manually and also with different templates and I always have the TOC. Regards, JP Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs mopperle 4162 Posted November 11, 2015 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted November 11, 2015 No, can't explain, as I do not know what you are doing. I tried the rouite EGPH to LSGG, let PFPX find a route, used various SIDs and STARS, used various numbers of alternates, mixed them up, deleted them randomly and always got a TOC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 2 hours ago, jpgmultimodal said: Now I found something else. I do not know if it is going to explain your problem but there is no airway between GOSAM and RESMI. You should write GOSAM P600 FENIK UL612 RESMI. Obviously you have an old database. I tried the same than youdid with automatic alternates, then changing the altn manually and also with different templates and I always have the TOC. Regards, JP Please login to display this image. I got my route from realworld database! Not saying its upto date. But i did correct that airway you mentioned and it still happens. GOSA1D GOSAM P600 FENIK UL612 RESMI UM975 LUSAR LUSA1R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs mopperle 4162 Posted November 11, 2015 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted November 11, 2015 I got my route from realworld database! Which one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 Just now, mopperle said: Which one? Hi - http://www.edi-gla.co.uk/fpl/login.php?go=/fpl/index.php I just set my route up normally just now using this route and the TOC has gone again N0436F370 GOSAM P600 FENIK UL612 RESMI UM975 PIMUP/N0394F270 UM975 PIXIS/N0387F270 UM975 PIBAT/N0365F230 UM975 LUSAR/0147 its fine if i use auto route its just happens when manually putting a route in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs mopperle 4162 Posted November 11, 2015 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted November 11, 2015 Ok, what I did: went to this site (which I also use sometimes) copied this route from 4 Sep 15: N0436F370 GOSAM P600 FENIK UL612 RESMI UM975 PIMUP/N0394F270 UM975 PIXIS/N0387F270 UM975 PIBAT/N0365F230 UM975 LUSAR/0147 created in PFPX a plan EGPH LGSS (entered only DEP and ARR), choose Aircraft copied the route string from aboe in the Editor Window -> Buils -> Apply Back in the flightplan window: Alternate LFLL, route to alternate, random payload, Compute Guess what I get: Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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