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  • Aerosoft

With the huge amount of information you are sharing pro-actively it is really easy and fun to help you...

Anyway, I have planned a flight with your route and I am getting a TOC.

What version of PFPX are you using? What AIRAC cycle? What nav database? Feel free to throw in any more information.

 

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TAG AVIATION UK FLIGHTPLAN - IFR  VIP432  D-ASAS  EGPH-LSGG 
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ALL WEIGHTS IN KILOGRAMS (KG)                                    STD 10NOV/2045Z
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OFP 1 - PREPARED 10NOV/2016Z BY TOM

VIP432              D-ASAS/A320-214 CFM                   ROUTE:        (MANUAL)

DEP: EGPH/EDI 24    ELEV   136 FT   CRUISE:     LRC       TTL G/C DIST:   683 NM
ARR: LSGG/GVA 23    ELEV  1411 FT   INIT ALT:   FL240     TTL F/P DIST:   793 NM
                                    FUEL BIAS:  100.0%    TTL AIR DIST:   774 NM
                                                          AVG WIND CMP: TL010 KT
ALT: LFLB/CMF 36    ELEV   779 FT   81 NM
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CONFIG      DOW  PAX   CARGO   TOTAL   ULOAD LIM             ZFW     TOW     LDW
STANDARD  44100    0       0       0   16900 ZFW     MAX   61000   77000   64500
                                                     PLN   44100   49947   46001
                                                     ACT  ......  ......  ......

               FUEL    CORR    ENDUR
TRIP           3946  ........  01:55 
CONT 5%         197  ........  00:07
ALTN LFLB       833  ........  00:20
FINAL RESV      871  ........  00:30
MIN T/O        5847  ........  02:52       .....................................
EXTRA             0  ........  00:00       CAPTAINS SIGNATURE  (....)
TAXI            110  ........  00:10       
RELEASE        5957  ........  03:02       I ACCEPT THIS OFP AND I AM FAMILIAR
                                           WITH THE PLANNED ROUTE AND AERODROMES

FUEL TANK CAP 18728 KG / MAX EXTRA FUEL 12771 KG LIM BY CAPACITY
TRIP CORR FOR 1000 KG TOW INCR: +48 KG / 1000 KG TOW DECR: -48 KG
2000 FT LOWER:  +93 KG / EET 01:59  CLB: 250/300/78  DES: 78/300/250

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EGPH  STD 20:45Z/20:45L  ETD 20:45Z  ACT OFBL ....  EST T/O 20:55Z  ACT T/O ....
LSGG  STA 22:55Z/23:55L  ETA 22:55Z  ACT ONBL ....  EST LDG 22:50Z  ACT LDG ....
          02:10              02:10   TTL BLCK ....                  TTL FLT ....
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ATC ROUTE: N0352F240 GOSA1C GOSAM P600 FENIK/N0429F370 UL612 DCS L612 LAKEY
           UL612 RESMI UM975 LUSAR LUSA1R


ALTERNATE PLANNING
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ALTN/RWY DIST ALT/FL MSA  COMP  TIME   FUEL   DIFF ROUTE
LFLB/36    81 FL160  130 HD002 00:20    833      - GVA DCT LTP
LSMP/23    94 FL180  173 TL009 00:22    884    +51 MOLU3A MOLUS N871 SOSAL Z61
                                                   FRI FRI1B
LSGS/25    95 FL180  173 TL013 00:21    884    +51 MOLU3A MOLUS N871 SOSAL
                                                   VADA1N
LFLL/36R  169 FL190  130 HD012 00:37   1408   +575 DEPU3A DEPUL G5 VEROT R31
                                                   AGREV MEZI5N


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AWY      WAYPOINT   MT    ALT MSA FREQ    TAS  LEG  FUEL REM / USED   LEG   ACC
-FIR     NAME                 ISA WND/SPD  GS  REM  POSITION          ETO / ATO
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         EGPH/24          136 040                        5.8 /   0.1            
         EDINBURGH                             793  N5557.3 W00321.5 ...../.....

GOSA1C   UW        242   *CLB 040 368.0          6       5.5 /   0.4   03  00.03
         EDINBURGH            P00              788  N5554.3 W00330.2 ...../.....

GOSA1C   D263E     263   *CLB 040                5       5.4 /   0.5   01  00.04
         UW263005             P01              783  N5553.4 W00339.1 ...../.....

GOSA1C   D263J     263   *CLB 040                5       5.4 /   0.6   01  00.05
         UW263010             P02              778  N5552.6 W00347.1 ...../.....

GOSA1C   MAVIX     263   *CLB 040               10       5.2 /   0.8   03  00.08
                              P02              768  N5550.8 W00404.8 ...../.....

GOSA1C   GOSAM     233   *CLB 040                5       5.1 /   0.8   01  00.09
                              P03              763  N5547.3 W00412.0 ...../.....

         *TOC      219  FL240 040         352    3       5.1 /   0.9   00  00.09
                              P03 245/092 271  760  N5545.0 W00415.0 ...../.....

P600     FENIK     219   *CLB 040                2       5.1 /   0.9   01  00.10
                              P03              757  N5542.9 W00417.5 ...../.....

UL612    DCS       155  FL370 045 115.20  428   68       4.6 /   1.4   08  00.18
-EGTT    DEAN CROSS           P01 244/079 423  689  N5443.3 W00320.4 ...../.....

 

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 VRYREU FLIGHTPLAN - IFR  RYR1195  RYR  EGPH-LSGG 
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ALL WEIGHTS IN KILOGRAMS (KG)                                    STD 10NOV/2030Z
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OFP 1 - PREPARED 10NOV/2003Z BY VERNON HOWELLS  

RYR1195             RYR/B737-8ERW CF                      ROUTE:        (MANUAL)

DEP: EGPH/EDI 24    ELEV   136 FT   COST INDEX: 6         TTL G/C DIST:   683 NM
ARR: LSGG/GVA 23    ELEV  1411 FT   INIT ALT:   FL240     TTL F/P DIST:   793 NM
                                    FUEL BIAS:  103.0%    TTL AIR DIST:   774 NM
                                                          AVG WIND CMP: TL010 KT
ALT: LSZH/ZRH 14    ELEV  1417 FT   148 NM
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CONFIG      DOW  PAX   CARGO   TOTAL   ULOAD LIM             ZFW     TOW     LDW
STANDARD  41413                13035    8238 ZFW     MAX   62686   79242   66360
                                                     PLN   54448   61468   56964
                                                     ACT  ......  ......  ......

               FUEL    CORR    ENDUR
TRIP           4504  ........  01:54 
CONT 5%         225  ........  00:07
ALTN LSZH      1312  ........  00:29
FINAL RESV      979  ........  00:30
MIN T/O        7020  ........  03:00       .....................................
EXTRA             0  ........  00:00       CAPTAINS SIGNATURE  (....)
TAXI            200  ........  00:15       
RELEASE        7220  ........  03:15       I ACCEPT THIS OFP AND I AM FAMILIAR
                                           WITH THE PLANNED ROUTE AND AERODROMES

FUEL TANK CAP 20891 KG / MAX EXTRA FUEL 9396 KG LIM BY LDW
TRIP CORR FOR 1000 KG TOW INCR: +46 KG / 1000 KG TOW DECR: -54 KG
2000 FT LOWER:  +146 KG / EET 01:57  CLB: 250/280/78  DES: 78/280/250

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EGPH  STD 20:30Z/20:30L  ETD 20:30Z  ACT OFBL ....  EST T/O 20:45Z  ACT T/O ....
LSGG  STA 22:49Z/23:49L  ETA 22:49Z  ACT ONBL ....  EST LDG 22:39Z  ACT LDG ....
          02:19              02:19   TTL BLCK ....                  TTL FLT ....
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ATC ROUTE: N0444F390 GOSA1C GOSAM UL612 RESMI UM975 PIXIS/N0352F230 UM975 LUSAR
           LUSA1R


ALTERNATE PLANNING
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ALTN/RWY DIST ALT/FL MSA  COMP  TIME   FUEL   DIFF ROUTE
LSZH/14   148 FL090  173 TL012 00:29   1312      - KONI3D KONIL Z63 SOSAL N871
                                                   TELNO W112 FRI G5 WIL WIL2Z


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AWY      WAYPOINT   MT    ALT MSA FREQ    TAS  LEG  FUEL REM / USED   LEG   ACC
-FIR     NAME                 ISA WND/SPD  GS  REM  POSITION          ETO / ATO
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         EGPH/24          136 040                        7.0 /   0.2            
         EDINBURGH                             793  N5557.3 W00321.5 ...../.....

GOSA1C   UW        242   *CLB 040 368.0          6       6.6 /   0.6   03  00.03
         EDINBURGH            P05              788  N5554.3 W00330.2 ...../.....

GOSA1C   D263E     263   *CLB 040                5       6.5 /   0.7   01  00.04
         UW263005             P06              783  N5553.4 W00339.1 ...../.....

GOSA1C   D263J     263   *CLB 040                5       6.4 /   0.8   01  00.05
         UW263010             P05              778  N5552.6 W00347.1 ...../.....

GOSA1C   MAVIX     263   *CLB 040               10       6.2 /   1.0   02  00.07
                              P05              768  N5550.8 W00404.8 ...../.....

GOSA1C   GOSAM     233   *CLB 040                5       6.1 /   1.1   01  00.08
                              P05              763  N5547.3 W00412.0 ...../.....

UL612    DCS       159   *CLB 045 115.20        73       5.4 /   1.8   11  00.19
-EGTT    DEAN CROSS           P01              689  N5443.3 W00320.4 ...../.....

UL612    LAKEY     160  FL390 045         443   32       5.2 /   2.0   04  00.23
                              M00 245/066 437  658  N5414.3 W00258.9 ...../.....

UL612    CALDA     160  FL390 043         442   30       5.1 /   2.1   04  00.27
                              M01 245/065 436  627  N5346.4 W00238.6 ...../.....

UL612    CROFT     160  FL390 036         442   10       5.0 /   2.2   01  00.28
                              M01 246/064 436  618  N5337.6 W00232.3 ...../.....

UL612    BARTN     160  FL390 036         442   10       5.0 /   2.2   02  00.30
                              M01 246/063 436  607  N5328.2 W00225.7 ...../.....

UL612    LOVEL     160  FL390 036         442   14       4.9 /   2.3   02  00.32
                              M01 246/061 437  593  N5315.1 W00216.5 ...../.....

UL612    HON       160  FL390 036 113.65  441   58       4.6 /   2.6   08  00.40
         HONILEY              M00 250/053 440  535  N5221.4 W00139.8 ...../.....

UL612    IXURA     155  FL390 026         441   19       4.5 /   2.7   02  00.42
                              M00 251/055 444  515  N5204.1 W00125.7 ...../.....

UL612    COWLY     155  FL390 026         440   30       4.4 /   2.8   04  00.46
                              M01 256/060 449  485  N5137.0 W00103.9 ...../.....

UL612    WOD       146  FL390 024 352.0   439   12       4.3 /   2.9   02  00.48
         WOODLEY              M01 257/061 458  473  N5127.2 W00052.7 ...../.....

UL612    MID       160  FL390 023 114.00  440   26       4.2 /   3.0   03  00.51
         MIDHURST             M01 258/062 446  447  N5103.2 W00037.5 ...../.....

UL612    BOGNA     147  FL390 023         439   25       4.1 /   3.1   04  00.55
                              M01 259/063 460  422  N5042.1 W00015.1 ...../.....

UL612    BENBO     148  FL390 022         439   18       4.0 /   3.2   02  00.57
                              M01 259/064 459  404  N5027.1 E00000.6 ...../.....

UL612    HAWKE     148  FL390 021         438    6       4.0 /   3.2   01  00.58
                              M01 259/064 460  398  N5022.5 E00005.4 ...../.....

UL612    XAMAB     148  FL390 021         438   12       3.9 /   3.3   01  00.59
-LFFF                         M01 260/064 460  386  N5012.3 E00015.9 ...../.....

UL612    VEULE     148  FL390 021         437   25       3.8 /   3.4   04  01.03
                              M01 261/064 460  361  N4951.4 E00037.2 ...../.....

UL612    INPAX     142  FL390 025         437   35       3.7 /   3.6   04  01.07
                              M01 262/064 467  326  N4924.5 E00110.8 ...../.....

UL612    RESMI     142  FL390 028         437   64       3.4 /   3.9   08  01.15
                              M02 268/061 466  262  N4834.1 E00211.5 ...../.....

UM975    PEKIM     125  FL390 023         435   31       3.2 /   4.0   04  01.19
                              M02 269/061 483  231  N4816.5 E00249.5 ...../.....

UM975    PILUL     142  FL390 024         436   15       3.2 /   4.0   02  01.21
                              M02 269/060 470  217  N4805.0 E00302.9 ...../.....

UM975    PIMUP     157  FL390 039         435   35       3.0 /   4.2   05  01.26
                              M04 273/048 454  181  N4732.4 E00323.3 ...../.....

UM975    PIXIS     157   *DES 053               39       2.8 /   4.4   05  01.31
                              M04              142  N4656.4 E00345.2 ...../.....

UM975    PIBAT     111   *DES 053               22       2.8 /   4.4   03  01.34
                              P04              120  N4648.3 E00415.6 ...../.....

UM975    LUSAR     101  FL230 081         352   39       2.7 /   4.5   05  01.39
                              P09 269/039 390   81  N4640.1 E00510.8 ...../.....

         *TOD      102  FL230 081         352    2       2.7 /   4.5   00  01.39
                              P09 269/039 390   79  N4639.6 E00514.2 ...../.....

LUSA1R   SAUNI     102   *DES 081               10       2.7 /   4.5   02  01.41
-LFEE                         P09               68  N4637.4 E00528.7 ...../.....

LUSA1R   LIRKO     102   *DES 081               14       2.7 /   4.5   02  01.43
                              P10               54  N4634.2 E00548.9 ...../.....

LUSA1R   DINIG     144   *DES 081                6       2.7 /   4.5   01  01.44
-LFMM                         P11               49  N4629.7 E00553.4 ...../.....

LUSA1R   SOVAD     144   *DES 130               12       2.7 /   4.5   02  01.46
                              P14               37  N4620.3 E00602.9 ...../.....

LUSA1R   GG507     044   *DES 130                9       2.7 /   4.6   01  01.47
-LSAS                         P12               28  N4626.5 E00612.0 ...../.....

LUSA1R   GG514     044   *DES 130                9       2.6 /   4.6   02  01.49
                              P07               20  N4632.4 E00620.8 ...../.....

LUSA1R   LSGG/23   207   1411 130               20       2.5 /   4.7   05  01.54
         GENEVA                                     N4615.0 E00607.6 ...../.....

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WIND INFORMATION - OBS ASKY
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(CLIMB)             LAKEY               CROFT               HON               
FL380  245/069 -56  FL430  246/067 -57  FL430  246/064 -57  FL430  251/053 -57
FL310  242/070 -44  FL410  246/067 -57  FL410  246/064 -57  FL410  251/053 -57
FL230  244/072 -25  FL390  246/067 -57  FL390  246/064 -57  FL390  251/053 -57
FL150  251/065 -10  FL370  245/068 -55  FL370  245/065 -55  FL370  249/055 -55
FL070  254/046  +6  FL350  244/069 -52  FL350  245/066 -52  FL350  247/056 -52

COWLY               BOGNA               VEULE               RESMI             
FL430  257/060 -58  FL430  259/064 -58  FL430  261/065 -58  FL430  269/061 -58
FL410  257/060 -58  FL410  259/064 -58  FL410  261/065 -58  FL410  269/061 -58
FL390  257/060 -58  FL390  259/064 -58  FL390  261/065 -58  FL390  269/061 -58
FL370  256/060 -55  FL370  259/063 -55  FL370  261/064 -55  FL370  268/061 -55
FL350  255/060 -52  FL350  259/063 -51  FL350  260/064 -51  FL350  268/061 -51

PILUL               (DESCENT)         
FL430  270/061 -58  FL220  272/038 -20  
FL410  270/061 -58  FL180  277/035 -12  
FL390  270/061 -58  FL130  275/025   0  
FL370  269/061 -55  FL090  267/010 +11  
FL350  269/061 -51   4000  281/005 +13

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END FLIGHTPLAN 01286  RYR1195   RYR   EGPH-LSGG   10NOV2015

PFPX 1.23

AIRAC 1511

If i change it to runway 06 it works?

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The route you have given first and the route in your flight plan are not identical. Sorry, but I am not going to give that one a try as well.

It simply can't be that even after you have been asked for DETAILED information you still give not even the least bit of information which would be needed to reproduce your problem.

As an honest advice: for the future you really have to be a little bit cooperative if you want/need/ask for serious help.

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I found the problem and its a bug. Try validating my route and correct the both errors by setting altitude restrictions at LUSAR and PIXIS after setting two waypoint rest i get CFMU validated great job, BUT my TOC goes away

Just confirmed it a third time, this is  a problem i don't know why, soon as i enter the second rest at pixis i loose my TOC

Ok for some reason its working fine now, but soon as i start changing the ZFW and the alternate airport the TOC goes away.

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13 minutes ago, Driver170 said:

I found the problem and its a bug. Try validating my route and correct the both errors by setting altitude restrictions at LUSAR and PIXIS after setting two waypoint rest i get CFMU validated great job, BUT my TOC goes away

Just confirmed it a third time, this is  a problem i don't know why, soon as i enter the second rest at pixis i loose my TOC

Ok for some reason its working fine now, but soon as i start changing the ZFW and the alternate airport the TOC goes away.

I have found the real problem if you set everything up with the hint tab at the top, let PFPX set the alternate airports and then hit compute and go back and change it to one airport and then press compute your TOC should be gone? it does for me. can someone test

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Ok i will prove this bug

Ok the first two pics showing you PFPX choosing the alternate aiports i hit compute and the TOC is showing on the OFP correct?

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For the second part i then change the alternates to just one LSZH showing and once i hit compute my TOC has gone from the OFP

 

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Can someone please explain this ?

 

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Now I found something else. I do not know if it is going to explain your problem but there is no airway between GOSAM and RESMI. You should write GOSAM P600 FENIK UL612 RESMI. Obviously you have an old database.

I tried the same than youdid  with automatic alternates, then changing the altn manually and also with different templates and I always have the TOC.

Regards,

JP

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  • Deputy Sheriffs

No, can't explain, as I do not know what you are doing. I tried the rouite EGPH to LSGG, let PFPX find a route, used various SIDs and STARS, used various numbers of alternates, mixed them up, deleted them randomly and always  got a TOC.

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2 hours ago, jpgmultimodal said:

Now I found something else. I do not know if it is going to explain your problem but there is no airway between GOSAM and RESMI. You should write GOSAM P600 FENIK UL612 RESMI. Obviously you have an old database.

I tried the same than youdid  with automatic alternates, then changing the altn manually and also with different templates and I always have the TOC.

Regards,

JP

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 I got my route from realworld database! Not saying its upto date. But i did correct that airway you mentioned and it still happens.

GOSA1D GOSAM P600 FENIK UL612 RESMI UM975 LUSAR LUSA1R

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Just now, mopperle said:

 

 

Which one?

Hi - http://www.edi-gla.co.uk/fpl/login.php?go=/fpl/index.php

I just set my route up normally just now using this route and the TOC has gone again  N0436F370 GOSAM P600 FENIK UL612 RESMI UM975 PIMUP/N0394F270 UM975 PIXIS/N0387F270 UM975 PIBAT/N0365F230 UM975 LUSAR/0147

its fine if i use auto route its just happens when manually putting a route in

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Ok, what I did:

  • went to this site (which I also use sometimes)
  • copied this route from 4 Sep 15: N0436F370 GOSAM P600 FENIK UL612 RESMI UM975 PIMUP/N0394F270 UM975 PIXIS/N0387F270 UM975 PIBAT/N0365F230 UM975 LUSAR/0147
  • created in PFPX a plan EGPH LGSS (entered only DEP and ARR), choose Aircraft
  • copied the route string from aboe in the Editor Window -> Buils -> Apply
  • Back in the flightplan window: Alternate LFLL, route to alternate, random payload, Compute

Guess what I get:
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