Bulent98 0 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 The problem here I am trying solve is here Please login to display this image. I have been also using @SharkyRAD Restrictions and Directs 2213, route being built in PFPX by pressing find only, I tried to add LIRSU AUTO NOMBO to make sure these are in the route (which they are) but I didn't seem to get anywhere with it... I tried to change some of the DCT segments to get rid of some of these errors but I can't seem to be doing a good job at it; Quote (FPL-THY2323-IN -A320/M-SDE2E3FGHIJ1RWXYZ/HB1 -EGSS1705 -N0482F310 CLN M84 KONAN UL607 REMBA DCT LIRSU DCT NONKO DCT VIBOM DCT NOMBO DCT RIDAR DCT RADIZ DCT NEMEK DCT SOLGU DCT OSLUD DCT MEDUX UM867 KOGAT DCT DISOR UL608 FSK UN128 LMO UN127 RIKSO -LTBJ0257 -PBN/A1B1C1D1O1S2 NAV/RNP2 DAT/V DOF/230110 REG/GEZUS SEL/EPHK CODE/40666C ORGN/EDDFEZYX PER/C) I've been looking at this thread here which has been very helpful but for the DCT segments and the PROF205 ones, I just don't understand what's going on with it - Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman 9 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 As per this website, PROF205 is error that you are off the mandatory routing. https://contentzone.eurocontrol.int/fpl/errorsearch.aspx If you are looking for EGSS to LTBJ route, may I suggest the following (it seems to be fine): (FPL-4XICB-IN -B744/H-SDFGHIJ3J5RUWXY/SD1 -EGSS2050 -N0485F350 CLN M84 KONAN UL607 REMBA DCT LIRSU DCT NONKO DCT VIBOM DCT NOMBO DCT RIDAR DCT LATLO DCT OBEDI DCT MAGAM DCT ROLBA DCT AGLIB DCT VABEK UL603 OLOTA DCT RUGAS UN128 RIKSO -LTBJ0258 LTBA -PBN/A1B1C1D1L1O1S2 DAT/1FANSP DOF/230110 REG/4XICB EET/EBUR0015 EDUU0034 LOVV0109 LJLA0120 LDZO0126 LQSB0133 LYBA0151 LWSS0206 LGGG0216 LTBB0246 SEL/ESMR CODE/738C05 RVR/200 OPR/ICL ORGN/KDENXLDS RMK/TCAS EQUIPPED -E/0410) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulent98 0 Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 23 minutes ago, Fatman said: As per this website, PROF205 is error that you are off the mandatory routing. https://contentzone.eurocontrol.int/fpl/errorsearch.aspx If you are looking for EGSS to LTBJ route, may I suggest the following (it seems to be fine): (FPL-4XICB-IN -B744/H-SDFGHIJ3J5RUWXY/SD1 -EGSS2050 -N0485F350 CLN M84 KONAN UL607 REMBA DCT LIRSU DCT NONKO DCT VIBOM DCT NOMBO DCT RIDAR DCT LATLO DCT OBEDI DCT MAGAM DCT ROLBA DCT AGLIB DCT VABEK UL603 OLOTA DCT RUGAS UN128 RIKSO -LTBJ0258 LTBA -PBN/A1B1C1D1L1O1S2 DAT/1FANSP DOF/230110 REG/4XICB EET/EBUR0015 EDUU0034 LOVV0109 LJLA0120 LDZO0126 LQSB0133 LYBA0151 LWSS0206 LGGG0216 LTBB0246 SEL/ESMR CODE/738C05 RVR/200 OPR/ICL ORGN/KDENXLDS RMK/TCAS EQUIPPED -E/0410) Thanks, this was just a test route I was trying to fix - what was the steps you took to fix this routing ? Was there certain steps you took in PFPX to make this work? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman 9 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Glad that it is fine. My approach is very manual. I always plan my routing (and then use finder feature to check if the software comes up with an alternative routing. That means that I try to take a benefit of winds (or to avoid them) and following shortest route possible. It is trial error process. When certain fixes don't work, I try to search for another route, using fixes without any limitations (I have to say that Germany, France, Switzerland are possibly to hardest countries). Central and Eastern Europe seems more relaxed. When my OFP has no yellow notifications, then I am happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srcooke 435 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 @Bulent98 Some of the errors returned by IFPS are obvious such as a direct is too long, others require reference to the RAD document available EuroControl Retrieve the 'RAD Consolidated Version' PDF for the current AIRAC cycle and reference the error code returned ED2279 and ED3905 ( drop the alphabetic suffix ) in your example and modify your route to suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulent98 0 Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 7 hours ago, srcooke said: @Bulent98 Some of the errors returned by IFPS are obvious such as a direct is too long, others require reference to the RAD document available EuroControl Retrieve the 'RAD Consolidated Version' PDF for the current AIRAC cycle and reference the error code returned ED2279 and ED3905 ( drop the alphabetic suffix ) in your example and modify your route to suit. Right getting there, So in this instance Quote (FPL-GEUYM-IN -A320/M-SDE3FGIJ1KRWXY/SB1 -EGLL1545 -N0482F360 MAXIT Y803 MID L612 BOGNA UL612 RESMI UN491 MELKO UM606 BLM -LSZH0100 -PBN/A1B1D1O1S2 NAV/RNVD1E2A1 RNP2 DOF/230111 REG/GEUYM SEL/BQAD CODE/406532 ORGN/EGLLBAWH PER/C) I get this error Please login to display this image. So then I take a look at the RAD restrictions and I can see this under LF4011 - What would 'fix' be in this case ? Please login to display this image. EDIT: I have already done fixes to this route using the method you told me, but I can't seem to get around this error I am getting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srcooke 435 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 LF4011 says that traffic departing the London South Group to LSZH has a flight level cap of not above 295 except via (DIK, KONAN, REDFA) Setting the FL at 290 the route will pass validation, however you may find an alternative route allowing a higher level. (FPL-GEUUO-IS -A320/M-SDE3FGIJ1KRWXY/SB1 -EGLL1625 -N0405F370 DET L6 DVR UL9 KONAN UL607 KOK M150 KOMOB DCT SUTAL UN852 GTQ UT27 BLM -LSZH0110 EDNY -PBN/A1B1D1O1S2 NAV/RNVD1E2A1 RNP2 DOF/230111 REG/GEUUO EET/EBUR0016 EDUU0041 LFFF0041 LFEE0053 EDGG0100 LSAS0100 SEL/BDEH CODE/400A0E RVR/75 OPR/BAW ORGN/EGLLBAWH PER/C RMK/LAHSO NOT AUTHORISED -E/0202) You may need to override the capping level automatically set in the route section. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulent98 0 Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, srcooke said: LF4011 says that traffic departing the London South Group to LSZH has a flight level cap of not above 295 except via (DIK, KONAN, REDFA) Setting the FL at 290 the route will pass validation, however you may find an alternative route allowing a higher level. (FPL-GEUUO-IS -A320/M-SDE3FGIJ1KRWXY/SB1 -EGLL1625 -N0405F370 DET L6 DVR UL9 KONAN UL607 KOK M150 KOMOB DCT SUTAL UN852 GTQ UT27 BLM -LSZH0110 EDNY -PBN/A1B1D1O1S2 NAV/RNVD1E2A1 RNP2 DOF/230111 REG/GEUUO EET/EBUR0016 EDUU0041 LFFF0041 LFEE0053 EDGG0100 LSAS0100 SEL/BDEH CODE/400A0E RVR/75 OPR/BAW ORGN/EGLLBAWH PER/C RMK/LAHSO NOT AUTHORISED -E/0202) You may need to override the capping level automatically set in the route section. Spot on - thank you so much, any tips suggestions you may have with all your past experience with PFPX when route building etc? I bought PFPX 2-3 days ago, used to use simbrief but had enough with flight plans with errors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srcooke 435 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 There are so many options it will take a little while to explore the capabilities. The advanced route finder will help immensely where you can set exclude criteria or route via chosen points. You can activate restricted airspaces via the map where you require routing around these, David ( Sharky ) has set timers on some of these. Defined directs however will still be used if auto-routing. Whilst David has provided an immense number of directs aiding Free Route Airspace it is impossible to define all permutations. You can add your own directs to the user database to help on your common routes. Regarding RAD restrictions, read carefully what it is telling you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulent98 0 Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 37 minutes ago, srcooke said: There are so many options it will take a little while to explore the capabilities. The advanced route finder will help immensely where you can set exclude criteria or route via chosen points. You can activate restricted airspaces via the map where you require routing around these, David ( Sharky ) has set timers on some of these. Defined directs however will still be used if auto-routing. Whilst David has provided an immense number of directs aiding Free Route Airspace it is impossible to define all permutations. You can add your own directs to the user database to help on your common routes. Regarding RAD restrictions, read carefully what it is telling you. Awesome, thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Eurocup 2 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 If an error occours in IFPUV enter one error waypoint in the 'Permanently prohibitet Airways, Waypoints....' section and try again. If an error occours again enter the next error waypoint etc. Also play around with your STD (Scheduled Departure Time). Autorouting avoids particullar Time-closed Routes/Waypoints/Airspaces based on your STD even if at the time of the closure your are not at said Route/Waypoint/Airspace. This helps getting the route build a little bit faster through Europe Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srcooke 435 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 7 hours ago, Mr.Eurocup said: If an error occours in IFPUV enter one error waypoint in the 'Permanently prohibitet Airways, Waypoints....' section I would use the advanced route planner rather the permanent exclusion in settings, you can then add/remove entries with the route planner open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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