Driver170 6 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Hi peeps i think i've found the cause and its when i get this CFMU error - ROUTE139 UL612 IS PRECEDED BY GOSAM WHICH IS NOT ONE OF ITS POINTS. What does that error mean? Because i think thats whats causing my TOC to go! If i remove FENIK - P600 my TOC comes back :) ATC ROUTE: N0444F390 GOSA1C GOSAM UL612 RESMI UM975 PIXIS/N0352F230 UM975 LUSAR LUSA1R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpgmultimodal 61 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 "UL612 IS PRECEDED BY GOSAM WHICH IS NOT ONE OF ITS POINTS" It means, as explained before in another post, that GOSAM is not anymore a WP on UL612. It was with an old AIRAC but now you have to route GOSAM (the last WP of the SID) then P600 up to FENIK (which is now a WP on L/UL612) and UL612 to RESMI. "UL612 IS PRECEDED BY GOSAM WHICH IS NOT ONE OF ITS POINTS" It means, as explained before in another post, that GOSAM is not anymore a WP on UL612. It was with an old AIRAC but now you have to route GOSAM (the last WP of the SID) then P600 up to FENIK (which is now a WP on L/UL612) and UL612 to RESMI. "UL612 IS PRECEDED BY GOSAM WHICH IS NOT ONE OF ITS POINTS" It means, as explained before in another post, that GOSAM is not anymore a WP on UL612. It was with an old AIRAC but now you have to route GOSAM (the last WP of the SID) then P600 up to FENIK (which is now a WP on L/UL612) and UL612 to RESMI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 yeh i done that though? could you do that route again and change the ZFW from high to low make sure its big and small weights. is it the 737 you use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpgmultimodal 61 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Sorry about the repeat of the message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 I think what it is now with further investigation is, setting a very high ZFW Ok i'm gettting somewhere. if i add a manual ZFW of 55226 my TOC stays but if go over a certain number it goes away, ie i entered 55400 and my TOC dissappears 7 minutes ago, jpgmultimodal said: Sorry about the repeat of the message. Its ok, thanks for replying i really wont this solved or someone else to reproduce it. could you set that route and airport and change the ZFW to a high number please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpgmultimodal 61 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 OK, I found out something: With different ZFW it does not make any difference but with a light ZFW and high FL (computed automatically) there is no TOC. I also took another route and tried with different templates. Could it comes from the FL? Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 2 hours ago, jpgmultimodal said: OK, I found out something: With different ZFW it does not make any difference but with a light ZFW and high FL (computed automatically) there is no TOC. I also took another route and tried with different templates. Could it comes from the FL? Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Yessssss we are onto something would you agree? I do think its to do with FL and ZFW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srcooke 422 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 JP, Could it be that your TOC is predicted AT a waypoint rather than in between therefor not requiring a separate TOC entry in the OFP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 9 minutes ago, srcooke said: JP, Could it be that your TOC is predicted AT a waypoint rather than in between therefor not requiring a separate TOC entry in the OFP Now thats a very good point I was thinking that too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 I think its more to it. Look at my post with the pictures - You can see my ZFW never changed? But FENIK waypoint has gone from my OFP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpgmultimodal 61 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Hello Steven, I thought of that but I remember before getting the TOC at a WP but it was showing both the WP and the TOC. So I just did a simple test in adding some distance OUT to match the TOC with a WP and the two are showing on the OFP. Now as computers are like God acting in mysterious ways, maybe if the distance is exactly the same to the 1/1000 of a Nm it would not show the TOC ... By the way I did the same test with different FL and weights and same results. Finally, SOMETHING HAPPENED: the TOC is showing but TLA disappeared !!! So we probably have an explanation there. It is not too important if the TOC is not showing but replacing a WP name by TOC could be a bit ennoying. JP Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 Very good investigation there! But how do we explain the TOC disappearing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpgmultimodal 61 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Cannot answer that one. Something inside the program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 17 minutes ago, jpgmultimodal said: Cannot answer that one. Something inside the program. So its not an isolated problem with just me? Is this happening with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpgmultimodal 61 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 It just did as you can see with the tests done today but never before when I planned a flight. As I mentioned it could be from the program but I am not qualified to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 Hopefully sorted in the next update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 Totally lost because my first TOC is an airway altitude restriction FL240 just after GOSAM. But soon as i change my ZFW the TOC goes away and that ALT rest is not there either! And also FENIK has gone! 5 hours ago, srcooke said: JP, Could it be that your TOC is predicted AT a waypoint rather than in between therefor not requiring a separate TOC entry in the OFP No, because i deleted that WP and the TOC never appears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 Found the solution! Well, for me anyway. Is to select OPEN OPT and i always end up with a TOC. Not sure whats going on but that airway restriction is causing me problems if i select different ZFW. Hopefully this can be sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 Now i have found the problem (PFPX) how can this be resolved/fixed? Or even why does PFPX does this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver170 6 Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 Just an update. The issue has been solved and will be fixed in the next update. Thanks to ME for finding this BUG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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