wingman5 149 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 This zip has the 64 bit version of the LightningF6.dll fuel gauge. that is necessary for fuel transfer in P3D v4. Simply replace the file in the panel folder of any of the Lightning models with the big tank (F6 ,F2, T55 ) ensure the reference in the panel .cfg reads the same as the .dll title (i.e. change either to suit, the title does not matter ....only that they match) [Vcockpit01] gauge02=LightningF6!FuelXFR, 0, 0, 0, 0 This will restore the wing to wing transfer function, in flight refuelling and over-wing fuel dump in P3d v4 . The gauge can also be substituted on the aircraft with the slipper tank (F1,F3, and T5 ) for the time being , but during flight refuel the ventral will not fill. hopefully that should be available soon , but in the mean time you can look on it as added realism..... the ventral's were notorious for not playing ball P3dv4 fuel gauge.zip Cheers Dave R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecthaelion 9 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Many thanks Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivin Stenso 17 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Very nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivin Stenso 17 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Oh dear! After installing the new gauge this artifact occured. E Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 What did you do Eivin ? that looks like the skinned mesh artefact that was fixed immediately after release . The .dll has nothing to do with the modelling . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivin Stenso 17 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 My bad. I made the alterations to the T55, which is ok btw, and managed to load the T55K by mistake discovering the artifact. I have no idea why the T55K looks like that. P3D V4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Eivin Stenso said: My bad. I made the alterations to the T55, which is ok btw, and managed to load the T55K by mistake discovering the artifact. I have no idea why the T55K looks like that. P3D V4 There is a fix posted on June 4 this forum. D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivin Stenso 17 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Thanks. Works like a charm now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecthaelion 9 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Hi D, Have been messing with the AAR quite a lot recently in P3Dv4 and the new fuel DLL file, can you tell me what the simulated fuel flow rate should be (from tanker to receiver), at present it is taking an extremely long time (upwards of 20 mins) to refuel from 800lbs remaining up to tanks full. Referring to the Mk 20b RF pod we should be looking at 1250lb a minute max fuel flow, on the Mk32 has an increase to 2800lb a minute and the Mk17 fixed hose drum is rated to 4800lb a min. I cannot claim that I know much about the Lightnings fuel systems (on an engineering level) but I would think that the tanks should be filling a lot quicker than they are. Any advice and / or insights would be gratefully received Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhazelgrove 42 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 More suction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 17 hours ago, Ecthaelion said: Hi D, Have been messing with the AAR quite a lot recently in P3Dv4 and the new fuel DLL file, can you tell me what the simulated fuel flow rate should be (from tanker to receiver), at present it is taking an extremely long time (upwards of 20 mins) to refuel from 800lbs remaining up to tanks full. Referring to the Mk 20b RF pod we should be looking at 1250lb a minute max fuel flow, on the Mk32 has an increase to 2800lb a minute and the Mk17 fixed hose drum is rated to 4800lb a min. I cannot claim that I know much about the Lightnings fuel systems (on an engineering level) but I would think that the tanks should be filling a lot quicker than they are. Any advice and / or insights would be gratefully received Hi Jon The figures you are looking at are the max delivery rates, what the receiving aircraft can take is controlled by the aircraft system, in this case the mk44 valve has a max transfer rate of 465 lbs/min......... I rounded it up to 500 ibs /min , and don't forget you are using fuel all the time it is going in ! 20 minutes does seem a long time though , are you sure you haven't strayed outside the parameters , in which case the refuelling pauses . Also you should be landing with 800 lbs a side ! Unless the tanker was orbiting your airfield you would never be that low. D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhazelgrove 42 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Wasn't the restriction something like 1200lbs/side for green card aircrew, in case of a weather diversion (all too common)? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecthaelion 9 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Ahem... Hi D... Yers... Well... Er... sometimes I get carried away and take a heart attack when I glance at the fuel gauges. Many thanks for the info, I am no Lightning techie by any chalk Please do not look at my Livestream Twitch page... Too many deadstick landings on there due to fuel starvation, actually find myself quite the expert at them now 20 mins was a horrendous amount of time I didn't break the parameters as am aware of the AAR envelope, the times I do stray out of the parameters I reset the RF switch once I am back stable. Will try and make a short vid to show what I am seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 5 hours ago, dhazelgrove said: ....... in case of a weather diversion (all too common)? Dave ........or in case you bust the probe tip off !! just been reading a flight refuel account, refuelling to full took around 10 minutes , and if they had an escorting tanker they would top up every twenty minutes , so if AAR failed they would always be in range of a diversion. @Jon.... What mark are you flying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhazelgrove 42 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 20 minutes ago, wingman5 said: ........or in case you bust the probe tip off !! You actually allowed the pilots to walk away after doing that? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 1 hour ago, dhazelgrove said: You actually allowed the pilots to walk away after doing that? Dave It was designed with shear rivets so it would break away rather than the whole probe ! Very embarrassing if it remained lodged in the hose and there were a gaggle of customers waiting who had to turn for home....... but even worse for the jockey who came back with the basket and six feet of hose still attached ! @ Jon just had a test ... F6 ferry tank no overwings. 25,000ft set wings 50% with payload manager, rest at 0% P3dv4 selected FR and started stopwatch . All full in 7 + mins ( ventral light stays on because you are feeding the engines) .... seems right to me ! ....... maybe you've got a leak ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecthaelion 9 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Hi D, The mark that is affected would be the T5. I havent tested the F3 but interestingly enough during an MP session with my usual flying buddy he complained that the AAR was terrifically slow also and he flies the F6 variant mostly. I have to admit that the F6 refuels a lot quicker and I have no issues with that mark but the T5 is definitely slower. I flew a 1 hour 14 min sortie yesterday and filmed the entire flight. Will make a short "fan" video from the footage as I got some wonderful video of this beautiful model and will edit a much shorter clip of the AAR sequence and post it so you can see what I am doing, reviewing the video you guys may be able to high light some thing that I am missing, I am under no illusion as to my obvious lack of confidence and ability flying this superb model. I might be doing something wrong and would look forward to being instructed. In the case I have a leave... Anyone got any chewing gum & duct tape? I have friends visiting today but I will try and get a small vid clip posted later this evening. I cannot thank you all for your willingness to help, instruct and test the issues I am posting, so totally different to most other FS devs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecthaelion 9 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Ello Gents, Here is a vid I took whilst conducting my AAR test on the Lightning T5. I started the AAR procedure at 1200lbs per and completed at 2400 per. The whole exercise took 18 minutes (give or take a couple of seconds to either reestablish the aircraft in the AAR envelope and / or to recycle the Refuel switch.). To my mind this is far too long considering the 500lb a min transfer rate and despite the fact the engines are drinking fuel (eng RPM between 60 and 78% when stabilized between 260 to 290 kias). Hope this helps to highlight the issue I am witnessing, if anyone can tell me what I am either missing or what I am doing wrong please feel free to send me back to the OCU or LTF . If my aircraft is in fact leaking then... HELP! Again, many thanks in advance. P.S. My apologies for the visual size of this vid O.o Video: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 Sure that is taking way to long , I almost hate to ask but is your simulation rate set at "normal" ? I have just flown the LTF T5 with the wings at 50% ... it took less than 4 mins to lights out. You should be able to see the needles ticking round visibly once you are down to just the wing tanks. I'm at a loss how the T5 F3 and F6 can differ in rate , it is the same code affecting the same switch and gauges and capacities on all the marks (as far as the wings and flaps are concerned) . Do you also have the same problem with V3 or FSX ? D PS. We used PRC not chewing gum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecthaelion 9 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Hi D, The sim is at "Normal Sim rate" for sure I no longer use v3 and FSX (hard drive space limitations) so unfortunately I cannot say. It is strange as both myself and my online flying bud have the same issue both using P3Dv4 in Multiplayer and Single player (the vid was filmed whilst flying offline). I feel terrible for keep posting issues, please be assured this does not detract from my enjoyment of this model in the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 21 minutes ago, Ecthaelion said: Hi D, The sim is at "Normal Sim rate" for sure I no longer use v3 and FSX (hard drive space limitations) so unfortunately I cannot say. It is strange as both myself and my online flying bud have the same issue both using P3Dv4 in Multiplayer and Single player (the vid was filmed whilst flying offline). I feel terrible for keep posting issues, please be assured this does not detract from my enjoyment of this model in the least. That's OK don't sweat , we'll get it sorted. First check the .dll is ok .... delete the LightningT5.dll ( or F6 or F3) gauge from the panel folders of each and every lighting. Take the one attached to the first post and drop it in its place. Next open the panel.cfg of each aircraft and ensure that [Vcockpit01] has the entry... gauge 0? =LightningF6!FuelXFR, 0, 0, 0, 0 make sure it matches the .dll name. If the .dll is LightningF6 the gauge must say LightningF6!FuelXFR Now try a flight in the F6 and then T5 and F3.(make sure they have probes!) You don't need to fly around for an age burning off fuel. set mains to 50% and the rest 0% using the payload manager. then select Shift+2 + all on, and Y+F4 and slew up to 20,000ft .Hit Y.... ( the engines will start automatically),.... retract gear and stabilise your speed.. level off and stick it in AP. Select FR and let me know how each behaves . D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecthaelion 9 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Will get on that later today Boss, many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecthaelion 9 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 D, I am would like to hereby resign my position as a wannabe virtual Lightning pilot and return to the toilet cleaning posting I held previously My most sincere apologies... The Lightning T5 now transfers fuel at a most suitable and satisfying rate. What I had done was to delete the original DLL file, drop in the new one as posted here originally then I proceeded to rename it to LightningT5.dll and I didn't alter the Panel.cfg - I think I must have misread the instructions given - So I followed your last instructions to the Tee then lo and behold the bleeping thing works a treat. Once again I will say that your patience knows no bounds and many thanks for showing me the light once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 5 hours ago, Ecthaelion said: D, I am would like to hereby resign my position as a wannabe virtual Lightning pilot and return to the toilet cleaning posting I held previously My most sincere apologies... The Lightning T5 now transfers fuel at a most suitable and satisfying rate. What I had done was to delete the original DLL file, drop in the new one as posted here originally then I proceeded to rename it to LightningT5.dll and I didn't alter the Panel.cfg - I think I must have misread the instructions given - So I followed your last instructions to the Tee then lo and behold the bleeping thing works a treat. Once again I will say that your patience knows no bounds and many thanks for showing me the light once again. Just as long as it's working I'm happy. As for your buddy could it be he regards 10 minutes as a long time ? If he's used to models with an instant fill, floating around behind a tanker could seem like an age ! D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivin Stenso 17 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 On 10/4/2017 at 12:20 PM, Ecthaelion said: D, I am would like to hereby resign my position as a wannabe virtual Lightning pilot and return to the toilet cleaning posting I held previously My most sincere apologies... The Lightning T5 now transfers fuel at a most suitable and satisfying rate. What I had done was to delete the original DLL file, drop in the new one as posted here originally then I proceeded to rename it to LightningT5.dll and I didn't alter the Panel.cfg - I think I must have misread the instructions given - So I followed your last instructions to the Tee then lo and behold the bleeping thing works a treat. Once again I will say that your patience knows no bounds and many thanks for showing me the light once again. If it helps. As you can see earlier in the thread. You're not the only one messing up. It's part of being human I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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