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But as I said there are two sides to this argument so unless you give Nvidia as much hassle as you are given the devs over this may I suggest you sit back and let us try to resolve an issue we ultimately didn't start.
There are not two sides two an argument when you sell a product that does not have a disclaimer on it... I am getting tired of this same argument.. I have no issue with the dev trying his best to fix it but I have a serious issue with this lame "Its all Nvidias fault" excuse thats being thrown about.. If this was known from day one I fail to understand why the product came out of beta and was released without either being fixed (which other developers seem to manage ) or a disclaimer being attached in the first place..
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Here's a question though and does anyone know the answer, why is it that Nvidia cards cannot handle these textures without causing them to shimmer.
Heres an answer..
I dont care.. Your the developer, Im the paying customer .. Work it out and fix it before taking money, or in future put a disclaimer on your products saying "DOES NOT WORK WITH NVIDIA CARDS PROPERLY BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW HOW TO DO IT"
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I agree as well.. I wont be buying any more aerosoft products.. The excuse that its Nvidias fault is to be kind "utterly feeble". If your in the position again where you can't make a product that runs properly on nvidia cards then heres an idea , dont release it until you can.. Oddly every other developer seems to manage this and I would say its quite a major thing to get right before you take a product out of beta and sell it.. Latest version of nhancer (which updates itself anyway) makes no diference.. Why on earth should it anyway , the latest two versions of nhancer have only been updates fo minor bug fixes within the program itself anyway..
What on earth have fps on a tv image that you watch and dont input too have to do with the fps for a game.. (absolutely nothing, a tv image is a prerendered image which cant be effected by bottlenecks or sudden demands, 25fps is useless; if something causes a demand such as AI or a scenery loading it will drop to below 10fps)
However the most important thing in FSX is frame rate stability and whats highly noticeable is flying from a 40-50fps region with no probs whatsoever and suddenly hitting a 20fps airport such as Nice.. One expects a drop when you hit major airports but somethings wrong when I get less drop at Kai Tak or Orlando or several other larger and in some cases more detailed airports with more traffic.. I even have to turn shadows off in Nice to get the AI so I would expect a rise not a drop..
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Thats exactly what I am trying to get at Konrad. I'm not sure why the best scenery developers use them, but Aerosoft has such a strong distain for mipping textures.
I think you hit the nail on the head in your previous post.. The policy at the moment seems to be to release stuff as if the end of the world is around the corner.. Speed seems to be the essence, rather than quality.
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Hello cmpbllsjc,
But as I say one must also ask the reason why such cards cant handle the same textures as ATI can.
What is it that ATI can do that Nvidia cant?
Ultimately its down to the card not being able to handle the textures the same way as ATI can.
Maybe ATI are paying people off, shall we start a conspiracy theory
What a ludicrous and childish argument.. Its the job of the developer and publisher to release a working product on both systems.. I dont see it mentioned in the sales blurb this only works on ATI so why on earth should I expect anything but a working product.. If as seems to be being indicated this was checked properly and the ATI/Nvidia issue was found to be the cause it should have been sent back to the developer to sort out before ever seeing a final release..
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Im now convinced I have the shimmering even though I didn't have it before...
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Hardly a correct an analogy Shaun when one considers that there are a substantial high percentage of add on scenerys that do work... Using analogys like this is a cheep trick.
Lets face it Aerosoft is hardly blameless when it comes to misleading advertising.. Having just returned from a conference in Madeira I was tempted to buy the FSX version of this but I now know the quote below from the selling page is only true in the letter of the description rather than the spirit..
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"Approaching runway 05 you follow a set of 'lead-in' landing lights over a curved path that allow you land on the runway without crashing into the mountains. Under bad weather not an easy task."
I would expect those to be flashing guiding lights like the prototype, but I was tipped off before buying that this is not the case and they cant even be seen during the day or picked out at night from the scenery!
Whats this got to do with AI.. Because when I look at the forum I keep seeing the same answers..
It seems Fly Tampa and other developers are willing to give us protoypical lead in lights at Kai Tak but the Aerosoft developer can't work out how to do it at Madeira (did they try asking).. And here we have other developers who have managed to solve the shadow issue but Aerosoft hasn't.. With the latest flicker mipmaps mess its starting to look like a case of rush products out without refining them and then blame the buyer for not having the correct addons or system..
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Typically 22R has not been in use since I downloaded the patch and I didnt really have a shimmering problem before (though now Im not sure if I have gained one).. Will have to try again today ..
Thought I would show off the J41 at Nice though
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Excellent will try now and hope to stop the 22R problem
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Just that shots one and two looked a little blurry, ...
Perhaps its just the compression
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Does the Mip Bias solution in FSX config help at all with the Mips being soft
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Are those finished screnshots or are the settings turned down? EDIT just noticed you said BETA..
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Theres a way of changing the FS9 style of routing for WOAI to FSX style, would this solve the problem or is it just the models (thing is some of the WOAI models are far superior to the Payware versions so Im hardly going to change it and I have to agree, how come others UK2000 ,Cloud 9. Fly Tampa. etc etc can solve or get round this issue)..
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Yep Manchester should be a Christmas release and the one airport I have ben waiting for since FSX was released.. but that will probably be the last of the major extreme airports from UK2000 for a while.. I think Gary is going back to updateing the current releases and tweaking the VFR packages..
Heres hoping Fly Tampa get a good success with that release and they can become a major force again, too many half hearted, generic releases recently from certain other developers..
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Monastir is excellent. My only complaints is the severe shimmering on the stands and building areas.Something I have not experienced for a very long time in MSFS.I have tried with a lot of nHAncer settings, without results...
In the product description it states static and dynamic objects like vehicles and buses. I only see static objects.
Regards
Gerry
Oh no not again... Think its gonna be one to miss for me then.. Can somone please release a product that actually works as described in the adverts on the day its released, its only scenery...
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Shaun Im not sure what your download does.. Still have the same problem when 22R is in use unless I'm missing a vital point for installing it
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Only 960 more to go..
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I think if they just flashed it would be a good start, just so they can be distinguished at night from the town lights.. My CC is waiting
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thats good to hear Peter
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This is the point of nhancer though.. force your card to use an older method.. it has nothing to do with the type of card, you can force older methods on new cards but not the other way round.. FSX doesnt use the card properly.. In fact it hardly uses any features of the card and its often better to force your card to use an older totally incompatible method on the driver..
Anyway it was worth a try...
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set up nhancer as the norm for an fsx situation... follow this http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=29041
however nick recommends combined which is a good AA method as it gives a bit of both (however it does not apply AA to all surfaces)
I suggest you tab out and change this and experiment with supersampling levels which is a better AA method. Do this whilst tabbing in and out as nhancer makes changes on the fly as well whilst FSX is running checking your FPS against the results.. To be honest FSX makes such a farce of using the gpu that I didnt see any difference with my FPS at any level even which shows how much this core engine could be improved if it learnt how to use the gpu properly but thats a different issue.. One thing you should notice is a huge improvement to a complex VC.. I don't know if this will work on Nice because to be honest I haven't got the problem your talking about but it sounds similar to an AA problem..
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Just a thought for nhancer nvidia users.. if your using combinated AA change it to supersampling as combinated wont apply AA properly to all the available surfaces..
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Im also becoming very worried by the odd exscuse Aerosoft seem to be sticking to recently (and I dont have the flickering problem)and will be avoiding any more purchases until this is cleared up.
As far as I can read Mathijs is practically saying they only sell a product guranteed to work if its the only product installed on a clean FSX.. If thats the case all suppliers would have gone out of business years ago if you were only ever expected to install one add on to your virgin FSX!!!!!!!
And what on earth sort of beta testing is being performed if you find it has problems on nvidia cards..Did the product never get tested on a setup with nvidia cards before release!! If so did you see the problem and still decided to release?
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Ah I see your point about the lights being indistinguishable at night... Think i'll give it a miss then.. Well at least Fly Tampa seem to be back on the horse for FSX; a bit of competition to some of these developers might see them actually finish products before releasing them with "compromises", its odd they never mention these "compromises" in the advertising when they take your cash..
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Why am I even expected to answer this.. Please answer!!
I paid money for a product that doesn't basically work as advertised yet has no disclaimer regarding using an Nvidia product... Email sent Refund now expected...
As for the Rex argument.. I dont have a single problem with Rex!!! (Should have I admitted that or will Aerosoft tell me Rex is incompatible with all there products next)
I apologise in advance for the tone of this response but my unbelief at the way Aerosoft are handling this and Shauns attempt to shift the blame leave me staggering with utter disbelief...
PS Isiah .. I did not ignore your post, so I suggest you stop trying to make yourself important in this issue and basically blurring the issue.. At the end of the day my conversation is simply not aimed at you its with the people who took my money. I have purchased over 20 Aerosoft products in the past few years all of which I have been happy with not only in there performance but in there support.. I accept here the dev is trying to resolve the issue but the tone of Shauns responses as a representative of Aerosft is becoming nothing short of insulting to a childs intelligence to say the least and I expect this to change at the very least...