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PFPX Performance Profile for the Challenger 650


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Hoping everyone had a great start to the year.

 

With the recent release of the HotStart Bombardier Challenger 650, I was wondering if anyone is aware of an Aircraft Performance Profile for the airplane.

 

Much appreciated.

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Same here. Unfortunately there does not seem to be any freely accessible FCOM on the Internet yet, otherwise it would be trivial (although time-consuming) to just turn the performance tables into a PFPX profile. I don't have high hopes that anything changes about that situation. Limited data is provided with the addon documentation but I doubt it's sufficient to produce a reasonably accurate PFPX profile (dataset looks much too small; haven't tried it yet, though).

 

It's a repeating problem with other addons as well - either there's no data at all or only for a wrong engine type or aircraft variant. For example, the Felis B742 has that problem as well (FCOMs exist but performance data is extremely rare with incomplete data for the exact combination of type and engine) but at least the profile that has been posted matches closely enough that adding some bias comes up with reasonable numbers that aren't completely off. Searching with Google for the Challenger 6 series (not even limited to the 650) nothing has turned up at all so far in my searches. I guess the chance of somebody leaking original documents to the Internet is much lower for a business jet (company-specific documents? fewer pilots) than it is for a standard airliner ("mass-product", minimal changes within the same aircraft family, lots of pilots).

 

I already thought that maybe it would be better to write some sort of plugin/script that simply generates performance data tables by flying the simulator addon (all automated, basically a "test pilot drone" - let it run for 2 days going through all possible weather conditions and airport elevations and you should have a ton of data to feed into PFPX). Unfortunately, I'm not aware of such a tool yet.

 

I seriously wonder where SimBrief gets their performance data from. I don't think aircraft manufacturers are happily providing the flightsim community with their data (at least not unless you have a better reason than simming to receive such documents). Is there some other (official, generally available) source for performance documentation which I'm not aware of yet? Maybe some portal that just requires a login (and thus doesn't turn up in Google searches) but where basically everyone is allowed to register for an account?

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It seems @bumbak has opened the thread on the HotStart forum, so let's see how that goes.

 

On 1/12/2022 at 6:34 PM, EnQ said:

I already thought that maybe it would be better to write some sort of plugin/script that simply generates performance data tables by flying the simulator addon (all automated, basically a "test pilot drone" - let it run for 2 days going through all possible weather conditions and airport elevations and you should have a ton of data to feed into PFPX). Unfortunately, I'm not aware of such a tool yet.

 

 

Doesn't LittleNavMap do that, in a certain way? Not perfect, but it's their way of creating aircraft performance data.

 

SimBrief aircraft performance data isn't always perfect and they have acknowledge that in the past. Though I'm sure that with the Navigraph integration, that's an area where they can vastly improve.

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6 hours ago, vCaptainMike said:

Doesn't LittleNavMap do that, in a certain way? Not perfect, but it's their way of creating aircraft performance data.

Yes, it can observe datarefs and calculate some simple profile. However, it seems to be a bit basic and probably won't come out with more detailed values (probably even less accurate) than what HotStart already provides in the documentation.

 

I'm thinking about doing script-assisted systematic test flights (automated as much as possible, so I just need to start it and can let it run while I do something else :) ). It's just an idea right now (but I confirmed that it can work even with the Challenger's current data output and complex systems) but I will try to implement it unless such a tool already exists (I couldn't find anything). No timeframe given, maybe I run into issues I didn't see yet, maybe I just don't find enough spare time to work on it (and I want to fly the aircraft as well, not just work on getting performance data ;) ). 

 

If the tool works (should be pretty much universal) it could be really useful for all kinds of aircraft we currently don't have any accurate profiles for...

 

I still hope that some real FCOM turns up, though.

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