nightsta1ker
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Well of course you are frustrated Mathijs, you are the one trying to solve these problems. The rest of us only have to contain our excitement and curb our impatience. Any idea as to how long it might take to fix this bug?
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Not exactly what I wanted to hear, but what can you do? We have waited this long. What's another couple days?
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So, its been 24 hours... is it going to be released today or are we looking at another 24 hour bump?
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I never even asked a question. In fact, I think you are missing my point. My point wasn't that I don't know how a helicopter sounds, and one response to my post in particular really bugged me because it basically said I don't have the knowledge of helicopters to know how they should sound. My point was that if you don't hear the rotors get louder when you increase the collective, especially in a Huey, that is quite pathetic. Yes, you might hear the engine gets louder, but that's not where all the noise comes from. Believe me. I've flown in a few helicopters myself in real life as well as watched them take off many times...up close...from airports.
Brandon, in your original post you mentioned the rotor system making increased noise as the power is applied. A few of the developers mentioned ENGINE noise increases with torque. Someone else took your comment about rotor noise and took it to mean blade slap, which in my mind is completely different from just rotor noise as it happens in certain conditions only, like a shallow bank or a shallow descent.
Aerosoft has stated that there will be no blade slap. But I do not think that means there will be no rotor noise mixed in with the engine sound as it increases or decreases with collective. Of course I am speaking out of my butt because I do not have a product in front of me. Untill we have a released product, this is all conjecture as far as I am concerned. I hope nothing that I said offended you as I respect your opinion and also the work you have done designing aircraft.
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I know it hasn't been released yet but i'm curious if you are going to make a boxed version of this one too or does it stays a download only product? I'll be getting it anyway but i prefer my software to come in a box. Sorry if this question has been answered already but i couldn't find it in the whole thread.
Kind regards,
Wouter
If you check the website and look in the pre-order section you will find the boxed set for the Huey and it's estimated release date.
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I am curious what you mean by shrinking customer base Finn
I think he meant that every time they take a step to make the aircraft more realistic, the narrower the fanbase that the product appeals to. Not everyone wants a helicopter that flies like the real thing, as you can maybe see by some of the comments posted here (I read one asking if they can make it fly more like an arcade style heli, which I think is preposterous, but everyone has different expectations and desires). Also, changing the flight behavior of native FSX to get realistic helicopter behavior is incredibly difficult and time consuming. Some of these things that us customers think of as minor details could potentially take months or even years to accomplish. In the meantime, they are losing money because their product is not selling, and in the end, it would appeal to a less broad audience anyway.
Hardcore fans are the hardest to please, and therefore pleasing them would take more time, energy, money etc and then you have only pleased the hardcore fans, not the thousands of other people who don't give a hoot if it handles like a real helicopter or not, and may lose interest due to the enhanced realism that they see as unneccisary difficulty. I have read alot of horrible reviews of the Dodosim 206 because it is too difficult to fly, and that it handles wrong, etc. How many times have I read "I need to add left pedal to keep the nose straight! This thing is garbage!" or something similar.
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Is the digital release still on for tomorrow?
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And if people think they can get more and more realism for the same 20-40 Euro while the customer base shrinks ?
Not to mention Piracy, wich is the biggest killer of all.
Finn
And there is absolutely that. Piracy is killing alot of corners of the digital media industry. It is a huge problem with very few solutions.
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One of the most challenging things about developing aircraft for Flight Simulator is that every customer has different expectations. Some want it to fly like an arcade game. Some want hardcore simming. Most of the people on this forum drooling over photos and debating ferociously about the minutest of details are either real helicopter pilots, or aspiring helicopter pilots. There is a tremendous lack of helicopter stuff out there for us to play with that is anything close to accurate. So the fact that Aerosoft has gone as far as they have to please our tiny little niche in the Flight Sim world is very nice. But honestly, some of these requests, if Aerosoft chose to implement them, would put the product back for unreasonable amounts of time, and cost the company money that they might not get back in sales. It's hard to make a living when you have products in endless development to try and make them "perfect" by everyone's standards. Let's just wait untill it is released and see what they brought to the table. I can only imagine how frustrating it would be to have all my hard work and endless hours put into a project like this slammed for minor details. Everyone always mentions the Dodo 206 to compare to for quality and accuracy. The Dodo team has been working on their Huey for 4 years with no end in sight. Personally, I will settle for a well done (even if it's not PERFECT) product right now.
Also, they seem pretty proud of their work. When Mathjis stated that he would compare the Huey to ANY existing FSX helicopter we have to assume that the Dodo 206 was on that list. Besides, even the Dodo 206 doesn't sound and act EXACTLY like a real 206. It's pretty damn close, but it's not PERFECT.
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Wednesday huh? I have my fingers and toes crossed that it does not get pushed back again!
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On to the next topic: Do you guys have a tentative DIGITAL release date? Or are you planning on releasing the Box set first? I want to get whatever will be available the soonest.
Thanks.
Scott
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Guys, last time now. We got the info from several Huey pilots and instructors of the German army and they told us, a vortex ring state is nearly impossible in a Huey. Plus we tried this in a FTD and we weren't able to get into it. NO WAY.
Thats why we didn't implement it.
Those who "know it better" should first reconsider if they really know, or only THINK they do.
Of course it MIGHT be possible to get into a VRS even with a Huey under impossible circumstances, but if, HOW should we simulate this? The standard thing, Dodo for example did, would be by far exaggerated here and simply totally unrealistic.
Issue closed from my side. Nothing more to add here.
As I said in my original message, Please do not feel offended, and I am not trying to knock your hard work. But I have personally been in a huey, in a very very drastic Vortex Ring State (it was a combination of high density altitude, high aircraft weight, low airspeed, steep descent, and possibly a tailwind on approach to a mountaintop LZ, the pilot managed to get the ship turned away from the mountainside as we descended on an elevator ride to hell. The correct reovery procedures were initiated and we recovered, but I am pretty sure several persons on board had to change their shorts). A discussion was had afterward and several explanations of the event were suggested, the two most reasonable being a severe downdraft, and Vortex Ring. The pilot said he was SURE it was Vortex Ring because the problem worsened as he applied collective. The airframe rattled pretty violently as portions of the rotorblade still getting clean air disagreed with the portions that were not, and I watched the VSI just about peg itself at the bottom.
In any case, I DONT CARE if you don't include it. I am fine with that fact as I have no intention of trying to simulate it anyway. Just please don't tell me that it's not possible. I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT IT IS!
And as far as the other stuff I mentioned, I totally understand that not EVERYTHING is reasonably simulated in an efficient amount of time, and I personally don't wish to wait any longer for your huey. I would be a VERY happy camper if I could download it RIGHT NOW! I am not trying to trash your product. Just PLEASE don't tell me something I KNOW is not true. If you had stated in your manual: "Vortex Ring State is NOT included because there is an extremely low chance of occurance and is not worth the effort to simulate." or something similar, we would not be having this discussion.
Also, as I said before. I am still happily buying your product, and I am quite sure it will be wonderful. Thanks for all your hard work. As you have said the discussion is over from your side, I will not expect a reply. I think we have both said our piece.
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There was me thinking that it was just me who was unable to fly helicopters
I would say that this model would be more on the difficult side than default helicopters in FSX. There is alot more going on. However, with practice, anyone can do it. It is just a matter of training your hands and eyes to make it do what you want to . Just like flying the real thing.
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Concerning Vortex Ring State and the Huey: The Huey can and WILL get into VRS if you put it in the right conditions, steep descent, and high power settings will SURELY put a Huey into VRS. A tailwind will make it even more susceptible. I have seen the descent rates as high as 1400 Feet Per Minute. Whoever told you that a Huey can't get into VRS? Whoever did doesn't know what they are talking about. In fact ANY rotor powered aircraft can experience VRS under the right conditions, the hard and fast rules being that the aircraft is under 80% or more power (torque) applied, has an airspeed below Translational Lift speed, and has a descent rate greater than 300 Feet Per Minute. It might not always happen in these conditions, and the Huey may be LESS prone to it, but it CAN happen. Saying it doesn't is ignorant and is unfair to real pilots and experienced simmers that know better. If it can't be simulated easily or accurately, fine, I get that, but please don't tell us that it is not included because the Huey is not susceptible to it.
I am still going to buy it because it looks fantastic and I am sure the updated flight characteristics ARE very accurate, minus VRS of course. Also, I didn't see any mention of Translating Tendency? Is this included? A helicopter without a little left skid low in the hover is displeasing to a real helo driver. Also the huey has some funny behavior (commonly called "Huey Tuck") if you get it too nose low during foreward flight particularly on take-offs. The flat top of the cabin gets pushed down by the airflow and forces the helicopter to nose into the ground. Once it is induced the only recovery is diving away, so if it happens at low altitude (which is most common) ,like on a takeoff roll, it is unrecoverable.
And please, don't be offended by my comments. I know you all have worked very hard to bring us an accurate Huey, but I could not let that statement go uncorrected as it is blatantly false. Please forgive my candidness.
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So according to your website, the Huey is now on pre-release in Germany for late January. Any idea when we will see an american or digital release?
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Bell 205 Huey
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Can't wait to make my own video with that huey. In the meantime, since we are sharing vids: