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  1. 23 hours ago, Secondator said:

    Hello @FoxtrotOstrich

     

    Duplicate waypoints on the arrival is a different issue. I would like to have a look into that as well to see if I can find any commonalities why this is happening on certain cases. It's something I can also recreate occasionally, but so far have not been able to pinpoint exactly. So if you could point me towards these 3-4 threads that already exists about it, that would be very much appreciated and I will take a look. Also, if you can give some good examples I could check, that would be great. You can open a new thread about this as well and I'll have a look there.

    With this exact freeze case, it's fairly clearly connected deleting a missed approach HOLD waypoint. I tested it by deleting all the other waypoints from the arrival except the last HOLD and I was still able to reselect the approach and keep using the FMS after. In general, I don't really see any reason why you would want to delete this last waypoint on the missed approach in this case. Now, like I said, we already both agree that the FMS should not freeze/crash even in this case. But I would still also like to remind that you should be mindful how you actually modify the flight plan and understand how the flight plan is structured and what you are actually trying to achieve with the modification instead of just blindly selecting waypoints and deleting them. But yeah, we'll have a look into this case once we have a chance.

    of course, two are mine unfortunately the video has since been deleted but my thread was the first time it happened and it was at a smaller airport in brasil a while ago as you can see so i cant remember details that well but exactly the same happened although this time when i changed the arrival it looked like a spider diagram with points all over the place so i manually deleted the whole lot and thats when it occured . The other two threads are by other people who have encountered the problem so it would be best to contact them for information. Also you can see people have posted on here to say they have the same problem so again those people would be best placed top help you their end as the information i have given you about my experience is as thorough as i cant make it. In regards to the duplicate waypoints on the arrival being created i have experienced this pretty much everytime i have changed the arrival, i fly mainly to eu airports from/to the UK.

  2. 1 hour ago, Secondator said:


    Now, it's obivous that the FMC should not really freeze because that would render the FMC completely useless for the remainder of the flight. So I have pointed this flaw out to the developer. However, the FMC was initially not really developed to take this kind of exceptional case into account since it's completely non-standard way of inserting data into the FMC. We'll see if there is anything we can do to prevent this in the future.

    Awesome that you recreated it, now ill explain the reason i and im sure all the others that have come across this issue have done so, its because if you change the arrival as it seems to be "the correct way" it creates multiple duplicate waypoints. This is a major issue when on an approach and a VATSIM controller tells you to change the approach last minute, sometimes the flightplan that gets entered is completely unrecoverable. 

     

    This isnt a egte exception it happens everytime ive been told my arrival has changed in the aircraft duplicates are created some airports way worse than others. I was looking for another way to change the arrival without creating duplicates when i came across this issue in the first place this video i created was the second time i had reported as the first seems to have lost all traction months ago, as you can see from the 3 or 4 topics by other people on here now i am no longer alone with this issue and more users are coming across it so it really isnt an exceptional case but i am really glad you have managed to re create it as mathias said "We have never been able to recreate this" so its good it can now be tracked by a source closer to the devs, like you say the fmc and all systems should not freeze up like this from a few presses of a button. Hopefully now the issue will be identified and it can get worked out to stop users running into it in future. Thank you for taking the time to recreate the issue.

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  3. 4 hours ago, Jonas S. said:

    Can you provide exact details of this issue so that we can try step by step to reproduce your issue.

    exact details are above i think the only thing thats missing is the flight plan is filled from simbrief. maybe thats why aerosoft hasnt reproduced so far? the easiest way to recreate this is fill in a flight plan from simbrief and then delete the arrival data and change the which arrival was used. As mentioned above by doing this i can recreate on teh ground at eham.

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  4. This is a repost as it appears to have been lost on the old thread but I do believe it needs highlighting as this time I can give more information. Once seen please feel free to delete the old thread.  Heres a run through of what i did and its also visible in the last recorded 5 mins. Wasnt happy with the approach, checked it was in, wanted to add some waypoints, when i tried it didnt add waypoint just deleted the one i was trying to insert between, so i deleted the last few waypoints, entered the ones i wanted that were missing from the arrival then re selected the approach and boom lost systems and screens froze. Exactly the same as before. Was flying from amsterdam to exeter, usding valko5e departure rwy 18l - exeter ils runway 08 with vectors.  i Hope you guys can reproduce this time and find out whats happening https://youtu.be/cPxpRKp6wAE

    Also i can reproduce this by just being on the ground at eham before startup, this time removing the last few waypoints then entering "EX" waypoint then trying to enter the arrival once more screenms freeze. It seems at the moment you select the arrival after deleting one from the flt pln it will freeze the systems. Also not sure why its deleting watpoints when qattempting to enter another below.

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  5. also i can reproduce this by just being on the ground at eham before startup, this time removing the last few waypoints then entering "EX" waypoint then trying to enter the arrival once more screenms freeze. It seems at the moment you select the arrival after deleting one from the flt pln it will freeze the systems. Also not sure why its deleting watpoints when qattempting to enter another below.

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  6. So this has happened again today, Heres a runthrough of what i did and its also visible in the last recorded 5 mins. Wasnt happy with the approach, checked it was in, wanted to add some waypoints, when i tried it didnt add waypoint just deleted the one i was trying to insert between, so i delted the last few waypoints, entered the ones i wanted that were missing from the arrival then re selected the approach and boom lost systems and screens froze. Exactly the same as before. Was flying from amsterdam to exeter, usding valko5e departure rwy 18l - exeter ils runway 08 with vectors.  i Hope you guys can reproduce this time and find out whats happening https://youtu.be/cPxpRKp6wAE

  7. On 8/23/2021 at 11:56 AM, SinusJayCee said:

    Doesn't answer your question, but you don't have to delete every single waypoint manually if this should happen. Just take the first waypoint of the new arrival (or whatever you want to have) and insert it before the old arrival and everything in between will be overwritten.

     

    I also noticed that you deleted everything including the runway before inserting the new approach. Maybe this messed thinks up? This shouldn't happen indeed, but maybe this is a way to reproduce it.

    Didnt know that! Thanks, been deleting the waypoints everytime as if you change the approach it just adds loads more and causes a right mess. 

     

    On 8/23/2021 at 10:48 PM, Secondator said:

    I tried to recreate this exact flight and mimic what you did on the stream. However I was unable to get the FMC to freeze on my side. So currently not exactly sure what happened there.

    However, like Sinus said, you should not really delete all the waypoints from the FMC and leave it completely without route. I noticed that you were trying to select the RAXIT 1B arrival for runway 33. However since you already had selected ILS approach for runway 15 on the left it only gave you the STARs for runway 15. So next time try to select the new runway on the right first and that way you can select the new STAR that ATC gave from the left.

    If the FMC freeze happens again, let us know and we'll have another look into it.

    I did select 33 before the freeze, I always have problems when it comes to changing approach but ive never had this complete freeze up of systems before. Thanks for trying to reproduce, looks like someone else has experienced the same.

  8. Hello guys, whilst flying tonight i ran into issues with changing an arrivals process for curitiba, I have had the issues normally where if you attempt to change an arrival it duplicates and you have to manually delete all the waypoints to get the new arrival in but tonight was different i pretty much lost all systems of the aircraft screens froze, only thing that still worked was the yoke, nothing else was responding, luckily i was streaming so you guys can see exactly what happened, I have time stamped to just before the VATSIM controller made me change my arrival to show you what i did appologies for the bad audio there were connection issues tonight as well. Did i do something wrong or have a i found an issue? 

     

  9. yeah i tried to delete the ones i didnt want including the model and texture files but the options to select them still showed up in msfs liveries screen although the actual livery wasnt there just a white box where it used to be so i think i missed something?

  10. Couldnt find the topic for this as the liveries one is requests and progress, im tryuing to delete the default liveries of the crj700, so far ive delted each model and texture folder of the liveries i wish to remove but the boxes to select them in msfs are still visible with livery name and just no thumbnail image so ive obviously missed something. Has anyone had any luck deleting default liveries completely? Thanks.

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