birdmanmike 0 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Hi, flying the Lightning, one problem. no matter what I do, it won't refuel. Right height - tried at 10, 12 18 and 22 thousand, right speed 250-300 knots, all as per manual. Gauges still going down and FSX % still going lower. All shift+2 ready to fly and FLREFUEL on. Waited 5-10 minutes, still not refuelling. is this me or everybody? Thanks, Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Hi, flying the Lightning, one problem. no matter what I do, it won't refuel. Right height - tried at 10, 12 18 and 22 thousand, right speed 250-300 knots, all as per manual. Gauges still going down and FSX % still going lower. All shift+2 ready to fly and FLREFUEL on. Waited 5-10 minutes, still not refuelling. is this me or everybody? Thanks, Michael Hi Mike You seem to be doing everything right , so you should refill in that time ..... you were flying the Fmk3 ?...... the mk1 and 2 have the switch and lights.... but no probe ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdmanmike 0 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 I've tried all the Mk 3, I've even now uninstalled, re-downloaded, re-installed. Tried with and without the service pack. The probe light comes on, green lights for the tanks come on, depending on how much fuel I've use - all on but FSX shows under 50% or less. FL_REFUEL on. Just nothing comes into the aircraft. Gauges show ventral empty and not much in mains. Does it have to be nearly empty or something? I'm at wits end what else to try . . and that 250-300 is IAS I think? I presume the green says the aircraft thinks full, but the gauges and FSX say otherwise Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I've tried all the Mk 3, I've even now uninstalled, re-downloaded, re-installed. Tried with and without the service pack. The probe light comes on, green lights for the tanks come on, depending on how much fuel I've use - all on when FSX shows under 50% or so. FL_REFUEL on. Just nothing comes into the aircraft. Does it have to be nearly empty or something? I'm at wits end what else to try . . Mike Hi Mike Had to ask about the Mk1 ... just in case ! :0) No it doesn't matter how empty you are ... if there is room it will refill. If you are flying between 10,000 and 35,000ft and 250 to 300 knots , flipping the FL Refuel switch up should start the refuel and the % fuel quantity should start to slowly count up . This refuelling is controlled by " LightningF3.dll" gauge in the panel folder , is it there ? .... it also controls the wing to wing fuel transfer , is that working ? (that is very slow so be patient , it flows a bit faster with throttles 70%+ ) DR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdmanmike 0 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Curiouser and curiouser (yes the Lightning F3.dll is there) I just tried again, and refuelled or so it said until all the green lights were on for full and left for another 20 minutes (no change on gauges or FSX, still going lower). Then switched off the refuel. THEN flew the aircraft nearly dry - FSX showing 2% and ventral and mains gauges both effectively zero. Switched on refuel again, still 28000 feet and 280-290 kts and all the green lights were still on as full!. A minute later all alarms and flameout, F3 became a not very aerodynamic brick. Now the test was on a new download from german mirror so presumably .dll OK, also yes I tried the fuel transfer yesterday and today at least a minute or two- and no, it doesn't seem to work . . .(edit - tried fuel transfer over 10 mins, no movement) Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Curiouser and curiouser (yes the Lightning F3.dll is there) I just tried again, and refuelled or so it said until all the green lights were on for full and left for another 20 minutes (no change on gauges or FSX, still going lower). Then switched off the refuel. THEN flew the aircraft nearly dry - FSX showing 2% and ventral and mains gauges both effectively zero. Switched on refuel again, still 28000 feet and 280-290 kts and all the green lights were still on as full!. A minute later all alarms and flameout, F3 became a not very aerodynamic brick. Now the test was on a new download from german mirror so presumably .dll OK, also yes I tried the fuel transfer yesterday and today at least a minute or two- and no, it doesn't seem to work . . .(edit - tried fuel transfer over 10 mins, no movement) Mike Hi Mike I'm at a loss for the cause , I just tried a flight with advanced animations unchecked , but that had no effect , a/c refuelled as normal . Have you got the FR switch mapped to a control , or are you mouse clicking the switch in the VC ? DR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Are you getting the cockpit environment sounds , all the clicks and clunks from the switches ? When you loaded up the model for the first time did you get two popups asking if you wanted to trust the LightningF3.dll and the ASC.dll ? and did you select yes? If so, if you go to .......C:/ Documents and settings / "name" / Application Data / Microsoft / FSX / fsx .... (or wherever yours is) and open the fsx file and scroll down and you should see a list of [Trusted} settings , among which should be something like this ....... [Trusted] C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Lightning_F3\panel\ASC.DLL.lrwlnkkbtnzniqqaotinnaontzkcwwthcwelcuit=2 C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Lightning_F3\panel\LightningF3.DLL.rwtctznnathczcqnhazetcqauqrhioruzlcoawbe=2 are they there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdmanmike 0 Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 Hum , yes I do get the sounds, clicks etc. No I don't remember getting the trust pop-ups either on first load original or after I uninstalled and re-installed. I have had with many other add-ons . . . I have the .dll's in my panel folder and they are in the [trusted] section of fsx.cfg, though with different codes , but both =2 I'm mouse-clicking the switch in the cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Try deleting the LightningF3.dll entry in the trusted section , that way next time you open the model in FSX it will ask you again if you want to run it . Another point..... make sure you are at height and speed before you select FR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdmanmike 0 Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Sorry didn't check back earlier - problems, not flight sim Anyway, yes, done that, checked height and speed before engaging RF. Still doesn't refuel. Have completely uninstalled, re-downloaded from US mirror, installed with all precautions, as admin, no virus running etc. got the trust warning and OK'd, right height speed. still will not refuel. Tried with and without "allow controls", still no go. No odd key mappings or axis. Is it worth noting that it will of course refuel via the FSX menu - but the tanks listed are Left Aux., Left,Right, Right Aux., Right tip, Left tip. Not the 2xmain and ventral in the aircraft. The tip tanks go down first - and appear to be what the ventral tank gauge marks in the aircraft. I'm running fairly high spec FSX Gold, running well for over two years Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Sorry didn't check back earlier - problems, not flight sim Anyway, yes, done that, checked height and speed before engaging RF. Still doesn't refuel. Have completely uninstalled, re-downloaded from US mirror, installed with all precautions, as admin, no virus running etc. got the trust warning and OK'd, right height speed. still will not refuel. Tried with and without "allow controls", still no go. No odd key mappings or axis. Is it worth noting that it will of course refuel via the FSX menu - but the tanks listed are Left Aux., Left,Right, Right Aux., Right tip, Left tip. Not the 2xmain and ventral in the aircraft. The tip tanks go down first - and appear to be what the ventral tank gauge marks in the aircraft. I'm running fairly high spec FSX Gold, running well for over two years Michael Hi Mike Hm... very strange ... Yes the L/R tips combine to form the ventral and that empties first followed by the flaps ( L/R Aux ) and then the mains ( L/R ) , but during refuel they take fuel at an equal rate ., when the respective light goes out it indicates that tank is full . Because you cannot get the wing to wing transfer working either it points toward the LightningF3.dll not working , both these switches trigger this gauge , but why it won't on your computer is beyond me ! In your panel.cfg do you have these entries ? [Vcockpit01] ............ gauge00=Lit_F3!B-scope, 0, 0,512,512 gauge01=ASC!MAIN, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0 gauge02=LightningF3!FuelXFR, 0, 0, 0, 0 gauge03=Lit_F3!Reheat, 0, 0, 0, 0 gauge04=Lit_F3!drag_chute, 0, 0, 0, 0 gauge 02 is the one concerned ,. Here is the gauge straight out of my A/C and definitely ok refuel dll.zip Delete the old one first and then put this in its place ("Panel" folder). I'll ask around but this has certainly got me stumped ! Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdmanmike 0 Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 yes got all correct, tried the .dll, afraid that didn't work either, nor fuel transfer, bit of a bummer . . Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 yes got all correct, tried the .dll, afraid that didn't work either, nor fuel transfer, bit of a bummer . . Mike Hi Mike I think we have confirmed that your procedure is right and all the parts are there , so it has to be the way your system is handling the .dll I'm informed that several issues have been posted in the forums regarding Windows 8.1,and custom DLL's. Do you fall into that category ? D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdmanmike 0 Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Nope, I'm WIN 7/64 ensured install as admin, tried as run install no compatibility mode, also as compatibility XP and compatibility Win 7. With and without uiautomationcore.dll even as well. Examining fsx.cfg but can't see anything. FSX is direct under c:\. Trying some other things, but running out of ideas also. Not end of world but would like to know why. Can refuel via FSX drop-down, but escorting Comet from EGVN to Gutersloh I ended up 60km behind at least ;-( Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBaron177 4 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I have exactly the same problem with the inflight refuelling. Tried everything here to no avail. So what can be done other than cheating the refuelling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I have exactly the same problem with the inflight refuelling. Tried everything here to no avail. So what can be done other than cheating the refuelling? Hi I don't quite know how this can be resolved , if you have no FR or wing to wing transfer the only thing they have in common is the LightningF3.DLL. I know the code in that is working so that cannot be "fixed" , so there must be some reason, either software or hardware related in your system(s) that is preventing the DLL being recognised , but why just that one and no others is beyond my knowledge of simconnect and computing . I could write a simple gauge to drop into the panel folder that would utilise FSX 's "add fuel " using the same parameters , but it would be an instant fill , and not progressive, and there is no function in FSX for fuel transfer . A better alternative might be Doug Dawson's fuel dump gauge http://www.douglassdawson.ca/ that enables a more realistic fuel uptake as well as fuel transfer. Sorry I can't be of more use Dave R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBaron177 4 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Well, tiggered by your remark about simconnect, I thought to see what is happening in simconnect, so I activated the debugging. Alas that is not to follow on screen as massive as the output is. So will look for a way to redirect the debug output to a text file. Will be continued. Koos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Well, tiggered by your remark about simconnect, I thought to see what is happening in simconnect, so I activated the debugging. Alas that is not to follow on screen as massive as the output is. So will look for a way to redirect the debug output to a text file. Will be continued. Koos Ok thanks Koos, please keep us informed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Portier 5 Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Hi, Â I just bought today, downloaded, installed/Admin. Same problem there, refueling and tranfer don't work ! Â Fsx Acc, Asn, Track Ir, Windows7U64, Dll's are present. Hope you have a solution. Â Thank you in advance, Â Regards, Â Richard Portier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 13 hours ago, Richard Portier said: Hi,  I just bought today, downloaded, installed/Admin. Same problem there, refueling and tranfer don't work !  Fsx Acc, Asn, Track Ir, Windows7U64, Dll's are present. Hope you have a solution.  Thank you in advance,  Regards,  Richard Portier    Hi Richard          Oh that's dissapointing, no definitive solution was found for this , something in your (and the other gents) system must be preventing the refuelling gauge (LightningF3/F6.dll) from operatiing , I don't know why or what it might be, but we did have an incidence where the.dll load manager for the Milvis F15 caused the missiles not to show, (I'm not saying that is the cause , but it must be something like that.)  Regards  Dave R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Portier 5 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 10 hours ago, wingman5 said:    Hi Richard          Oh that's dissapointing, no definitive solution was found for this , something in your (and the other gents) system must be preventing the refuelling gauge (LightningF3/F6.dll) from operatiing , I don't know why or what it might be, but we did have an incidence where the.dll load manager for the Milvis F15 caused the missiles not to show, (I'm not saying that is the cause , but it must be something like that.)  Regards  Dave R Hi Dave,  I think I found the way to run this DLL ! Perhaps this will help guide your research on this mystery... I must load the Mk1a before any other F3 model ! Do you think you can solve this problem ?  Another thing not relative at this problem is some "glitches" with the "Lightning_F3_11Sqn" model. There is not oxygen. I noticed a texture problem : "HDG" letters are on the yoke instead the trim and not really a glitch but why is there a thermometer instead of the "G meter" ?  Please, what are the differences between the F3 and the F6 in Fsx not in the real model ?  Thank you in advance,  Regards,  Richard Portier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 11 hours ago, Richard Portier said: Hi Dave,  I think I found the way to run this DLL ! Perhaps this will help guide your research on this mystery... I must load the Mk1a before any other F3 model ! Do you think you can solve this problem ?  Another thing not relative at this problem is some "glitches" with the "Lightning_F3_11Sqn" model. There is not oxygen. I noticed a texture problem : "HDG" letters are on the yoke instead the trim and not really a glitch but why is there a thermometer instead of the "G meter" ?  Please, what are the differences between the F3 and the F6 in Fsx not in the real model ?  Thank you in advance,  Regards,  Richard Portier   Hi Richard   Interesting on the dll, .... I can't imagine why, it is the same code used by both aircraft !  My bad on the trim  texture, the radalt mod called for an alteration to the sheet and I forgot to include the new one ;0( ,   likewise with the oxy ... its got the F6 code which stops it filling on initialisation ... right click the norm 100% on the oxy panel and it will half fill.    when the rad alt was introduced the g meter moved up to the windscreen pillar and the hole filled with a ram air temp gauge.    The F6 has a larger ventral tank and the capability of carrying overwing tanks , the front half of the ventral has an optional gunpack. the leading edge of the wings are cranked and the ailerons lost the aerodynamic ballance horns.  A RHAG arrestor hook is fitted  . and the associated handle and lights fitted to the cockpit  the external chute release is animated on the F6 but not on the F3 as well as a few other minor improvements.     I'll post the fixes ASAP  Cheers  Dave R  Dave R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Portier 5 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 On 21/3/2016 at 6:16 PM, wingman5 said:   Hi Richard   Interesting on the dll, .... I can't imagine why, it is the same code used by both aircraft !  My bad on the trim  texture, the radalt mod called for an alteration to the sheet and I forgot to include the new one ;0( ,   likewise with the oxy ... its got the F6 code which stops it filling on initialisation ... right click the norm 100% on the oxy panel and it will half fill.    when the rad alt was introduced the g meter moved up to the windscreen pillar and the hole filled with a ram air temp gauge.    The F6 has a larger ventral tank and the capability of carrying overwing tanks , the front half of the ventral has an optional gunpack. the leading edge of the wings are cranked and the ailerons lost the aerodynamic ballance horns.  A RHAG arrestor hook is fitted  . and the associated handle and lights fitted to the cockpit  the external chute release is animated on the F6 but not on the F3 as well as a few other minor improvements.     I'll post the fixes ASAP  Cheers  Dave R  Dave R Hi Dave,  1/I fear I have spoken too soon about the "DLL". I was too happy that it works !  Well, by repeating the tests I realized that when I thought I had found the solution I had not launched Asn.Here's what happens with Asn launched before Fsx :-launch Asn-launch Track Ir-launch Fsx then I choose the Electric Lightning on KJAC airport.After following the startup procedure, I take off and make a refueling test above 10,000 ft at a speed between 250 and 300 knots. The refueling is not working !  Second test. I do exactly the same procedure except this time I did not launch ASN before, the refueling works like a charm every time ! After that, during the same session, I launch Asn and curiously there are no more problem with dll during all the flight !  Question : is it possible that there is a priority conflict somewhere between Asn, SimConnect and this dll ? At this day I have never encountered this kind of "blocking" with a dll, I have many addons with dll's (all A2A aircraft, Aerosoft (airbus, Twin Otter...), ConcordeX, Pmdg and so on. Have you an idea about that ?  2/Thank you again for the textures fixes. Work perfectly with the F3 however it seems there is the same problem with the F1 and F2. Also (may be I'm wrong) I noticed that the LFS button seems inverted (button down for on instead of up for on)  Anyway this plane is a real pleasure to fly. Clearly it is necessary to well respected the flight envelope otherwise the sanction not long in coming  One more question please. I don't understand how works the Tacan in AA mode. Eg: I enter the Tanker TacPack frequency converted (Shift 5) in mode AA but the Tacan seems not respond. Is it modelled ? The AG mode works perfectly.  ...And last but not least, if I understand, only the F1 can fire the cannon ? and missiles of course, is that correct ?  Thanks in advance. Regards,  Richard Portier    Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingman5 149 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Hi Richard       Nice spot on the active sky ! it is not something I have so I could never have guessed . but I'm  not a C+ programmer so I can't explain why.   I'll have to stop working into the early hours of the morning   The F1a /2  was not affected at all by the radalt update. I can only presume I saw the missmatched texture in the 3d drawing program and changed it.. effectively making it wrong in the sim!  replace the "EElightning_interior" .mdl file in the "model.Mk1a" folder with the one in this zip................... F1A trim knob retexture.zip  The LFS switch is a selector........ down for targeting using the  LFS, up for CRT.(some functions are disabled on the CRT when LFS selected.)   The Tacan was coded for general FSX flying before the aircraft was enabled for tacpack, so there was no call for A/A tacan. I don't know how to get it to work with both tacpac and fsx systems so I left it alone. A/A on the lightning only gives distance to target anyway , so its as easy to use the radar.   The guns were removed during production of the F3 but that was unpopular(with the pilots) and subsequently reinstated as a gunpack within the larger ventral tank of the F6.  Cheers  Dave R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Portier 5 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 On 23/3/2016 at 6:03 PM, wingman5 said: Hi Richard       Nice spot on the active sky ! it is not something I have so I could never have guessed . but I'm  not a C+ programmer so I can't explain why.   I'll have to stop working into the early hours of the morning   The F1a /2  was not affected at all by the radalt update. I can only presume I saw the missmatched texture in the 3d drawing program and changed it.. effectively making it wrong in the sim!  replace the "EElightning_interior" .mdl file in the "model.Mk1a" folder with the one in this zip................... F1A trim knob retexture.zip  The LFS switch is a selector........ down for targeting using the  LFS, up for CRT.(some functions are disabled on the CRT when LFS selected.)   The Tacan was coded for general FSX flying before the aircraft was enabled for tacpack, so there was no call for A/A tacan. I don't know how to get it to work with both tacpac and fsx systems so I left it alone. A/A on the lightning only gives distance to target anyway , so its as easy to use the radar.   The guns were removed during production of the F3 but that was unpopular(with the pilots) and subsequently reinstated as a gunpack within the larger ventral tank of the F6.  Cheers  Dave R Hi Dave,  Thank you for the fix ! You know what, your F3 gave me the pleasure to (re)fly jet warbirds. In the 2000s, I flew numerous hours on Falcon3, Falcon4, FA18, Flanker, Mig Alley with big aerial combat with teams connected in Lan. When I went back to Flight Simulator I'm rather focused me on tube liners and general aviation aircraft (it's more relaxing ). But your plane and software like TacPack restored my desire to fly again on these beasts. So, I bought also your F6 and the Aerosoft F14...I am also about to buy a Thrustmaster Hotas, it is more appropriate than my current Pro Flight Yoke. Anyway, this will not prevent me to keep flying some Boeing or Piper .  -So, concerning the F6 the refuel seems work very well with or not Asn ! I noticed that the two gauges are not exactly the same (65KB for the F3 and 66KB for the F6). I copied, pasted, renamed the F6 gauge and I put it in the F3 folder but seems it made no difference to the issue with the F3 !? Maybe some C+  gurus could explain it.  -On the F6 there is an Arrestor Hook, it's great. Please, do you know where I can find some runways with a RHAG in native runways Fsx or addon's ?  -About hypoxia I noticed it intervened beyond over 30000ft. Should it not happen at around +-14000ft ?  Thanks again,  Regards,  Richard Portier  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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