Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted January 18, 2016 Author Aerosoft Share Posted January 18, 2016 On 1/15/2016 at 3:39 PM, Aharon said: Mathijs, I agree with your statements and SUPPORT your stand against illegal and unlawful piracy. However, when you mention a particular virtual airline such as showing proof of piracy from your screenshots of American Airlines virtual airline and you ask pilots not to fly for that particular virtual airline, you MUST tell us the WEBSITE ADDRESS of particular virtual airline or otherwise as in this example, pilots would mistake other innocent American Airline virtual airlines for committing unlawful piracy that they are not doing that. There are many American Airline virtual airlines and you need to specify which one by disclosing the American Airline virtual airline's web address so that other many innocent American Airline virtual airlines would not be affected and would not lose pilots. I wanted to send you PM to let you know about this but you disabled your PM function on your screenshot leaving me no choice but to post here to let you know to be sure to distinguish between the guilty American Airline virtual airline and other innocent American Airline virtual airllnes. Regards, Aharon Okay, good point. http://aavirtual.net/ is the VA connected to this TeamSpeak account. As far as we are aware all other American Airlines VA's are great guys and deserve your full support. Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamee9 12 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Mathijs Just a quick question,if we find someone or some VA pirating, where can we report them? Sent from my IPhone 6+ using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Boulegue 403 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 fb@aerosoft.de, would be a way to go Jamee, i ll fwd them to mathijs etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamee9 12 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 fb@aerosoft.de, would be a way to go Jamee, i ll fwd them to mathijs etc Danke,will report as I'll find any. Sent from my IPhone 6+ using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted January 18, 2016 Author Aerosoft Share Posted January 18, 2016 Btw, we are getting more and more reports about piracy within VA's so let me make a few things clear. We are not interested in mails that start with 'I heard....", 'Somebody told me...", we need some serious proof, log files, screenshots etc We are not interested in two VA pilots sharing a file, that happens and we don't like it but it has nothing to do with the VA, we only want to get rid of VA's where the staff vacilitates piracy. We can use the information confidentially, but we prefer to keep everything above table. We will share the information always will all parties involved. So send me a screenshot that shows a PMDG aircraft shared and PMDG will get the info from me. This is NOT a witch hunt against VA's, we love them (just today I send out 23 discount codes to VA pilots), this is a hunt for VA's like AAVirtual where the staff is involved in things that are not acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted January 18, 2016 Author Aerosoft Share Posted January 18, 2016 I have just send this email to the CFO of AAVirtual. Mr Davis, you got any comment about the piracy happening in your VA? I am about to post a new set of screenshots and it would be nice to be able to post your comments with that and it’s best that that comes from the CFO. Of course you should be asking your legal counsel before making any comment, but in our experience they will advise you to make a clear statement explaining your point of view if you feel you and the VA are not to blame. Saying nothing to defend yourself simply does not send out the correct message. I think you got a responsibility towards your pilots. I got enough material to keep this in the news for a few weeks and so far we (Aerosoft, PMDG and some others) have focused on Ada because he pissed me off showing the stolen CRJ on Facebook (how stupid can you be?), but as that is now handed over to legal staff we are now looking deeper into who else is involved in the files shared. And of course your name, as being responsible comes out on top. Also because your name on all the screenshots we have. I am offering you the chance to defend yourself and to explain the images we have shown so far. Of course your comments will not be censored in any way. If we (I can ONLY speak in behalf of Aerosoft) follow up with legal actions depends a lot on the reactions. Please note that I am not looking for a statement that this was a one-time event (I will respond with images from earlier in 2015) but a statement that EVERYBODY involved has been removed from the VA will go a long way. With greetings,Mathijs Kok Aerosoft GmbH Lindberghring 12 D-33142 Büren HRB1989 Paderborn GF: Winfried Diekmann, Sascha Baumhoer Tel +49 (0) 2955 7603-10http://www.aerosoft.com P.s. because we feel this is an important issues for many simmers and certainly the pilots in your VA I will publish this email in our forum, the same forum where I hope to post your comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveCT2003 2553 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 This is GREAT Mathijs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManBOSS64 21 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I have a question. How much of a discount is there on your products (does this include the pmdg you sell) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted January 19, 2016 Author Aerosoft Share Posted January 19, 2016 For any pilot of a VA that is registered with us (question of just an email to support@aerosoft.com) we offer 20% discount on these products: Twin Otter Extended Professional Flight Planner X FS Flight Keeper FSMap Thessaloniki X Mega Airport Oslo Maastricht Aachen Airport Mega Airport Dublin Airbus A318/A319 Airbus A320/A321 Airbus A318/A319 & A320/A3231 Bundle Mega Airport Rome Mega Airport Zurich v2 More will be added end of this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamee9 12 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Oh my,nice move mathijs.BTW i am a member of a VA.so will I get a discount Sent from my IPhone 6+ using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Boulegue 403 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Check with your VA Staff that you are in the programm - If not yet, drop us a mail as told there :-)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted January 19, 2016 Author Aerosoft Share Posted January 19, 2016 These are the airlines we got an agreement with (please note that we ask NOTHING in return). The list needs to be cleaned. Ab-Virtual Aegean Airlines Virtual Aer Lingus Virtual Aer Lingus Virtual Aeroflot Virtual Aerosur Virtual Air Anatolia VA Air Atlantic Air Atlantic Virtual Air Berlin VA Air Catalonia Air Celtic Virtual Airline Air Child VA Air Europa Virtual Air Excellence Air Germany VA Air Holland VA Air India Virtual Air UK Virtual Air Wisconsin VA Airasiava AirBilbao VA AirCrew Virtual Airlines AirHispania Airlines of Israel AirNow Virtual AirPUERTORICO Virtual Airlines Airwego VA Alandalus Airlines VA Albatross-group Altair Virtual Airlines American Virtua American Flight Airways Andras Meridian Airlines Anka Airlines Any Way Atlantic Sun Airways ATUKv Australasian Global VA Austrian Virtual Airlines Group AVA BA Virtual BalkanFly BritishBlueVirtual Brittish Vritual Airways Brussels Airline VA Buffalo Airways Virtual Canadian Coastal VA Canadian Xpress Virtual Airline Caravailes VA Cassubian Virtual Airline Cathay Pacific Virtual Chech Wings Virtual Airline Citylink Clickair VA Cologne Group Colonia Air Colour Air VA Cougar Virtual Croatia Airlines Virtual Croatia Cargo VA Cyber Air Virtual Airline Cyprus Airways Virtual Czech Airlines Virtual Delta Virtual Airlines DiscoverSt Paul Airline DLH Virtual Group (Lufthansa Virtual) Dortmund Airlines Dutch Global Virtual Airlines Dutchfly VA Eastern Airlines Virtual Easy World Airlines Easyjet VA easysim virtual El Al Virtual Airlines Emeraldwings International VA Emirates Virtual Etihad Virtual Airways EuroBerlin VA Euroharmony VA Euroline VA European Airways European Airwings VA European Gateway EuropeSky VA Eurowings VA ExecAir VA FedEx Virtual Air Cargo FFM VA Five Stars Airline Fly Africa Virtual Airlines Fly Community Fly Delta Virtual Fly Europe Virtual Airlines Fly International Virtual fly italy Fly Portugal Fly Star Alliance VA Fly UK Virtual Airways Fly Virgin Social Club Fly Delta Virtual FlyAirliner Flybe Virtual Airline flyboeing Fresh Air Garuda Indonesia Virtual Gateway Virtual Airlines German Airlines VA German Butterfly VA German Travel Airline German-Flight-Corporation Germany-Pro-ATC n.e.V. Global Alliance Virtual Airlines Global Cargo Virtual Airlines Global Iberia GoAir UK Greece Airways Virtual GWI Virtual Harmony Airlines Hellenic Air HHA Hamburg Airways virtual Luftverkehrsgesellschaft mbH Highland Aviation Virtual Hispania Airways virtual Icaro Group ImaginAir Intercity Airways Italian Virtual Airline Jacksonville ARTCC JAL Virtual jetAzul Linhas Aéreas Das Americas JetBlue Virtual Jets Go Portugal Jetstar Virtual JGA Virtual Airlines JMC virtual Jolly Rogers Kestrel Virtual Airlines KLM Virtual Airline legionairva Leipzig Air VA Leipzig-Virtual Liftair Link Express Livewire Virtual Airlines London Executive Aviation Virtual Lusitaniair VA Malaysia Virtual Airlines MALÉV Hunagrian Airlines virtual Maurair VA Metro Air Virtual Morava Airlines MYAVIRTUA Neckar Airways NeoFly VirtualAirline Netherline Va Noble Air Nordwind Airlines NorthAir Novair Virtual OceanAir Virtual Airline Olympic Air Virtual oneworld Virtual Alliance Pacific West Airways Panorama Airlines Paradise Airlines Patriot Virtual Airline Pegasus Virtual Airlines Phoenix Virtual Airways Platinum Airways Poyraz VA Quantas Virtual RCJ Transport VA Redwood Virtual Royal Dutch Virtual SAR-VA SATA Virtual Scandinavian Virtual Airlines Severnair SimMiles Singapore Virtual Airlines Sky United VA SKY Virtual Airlines SkyFly Airlines SkyGroup International Skyline VA SkyWards Virtua Slipstream Airways South African Airways Virtual South African Virtual Airforce Southwest Virtual Southwest Virtual Airlines SparkJet Virtual STAR ALLIANCE VA Star Alliance Virtual Airlines Star Aviation Starline Airways SunAir Express Swiss Virtual Airline TAM Virtual Airlines TAP Virtual Virtual Airlines Team Onyx Thai Virtual. Thomas Cook Thomson Virtual TigerAir Virtual Transavia.com Virtual TuiFlyvirtual tuigroup virtual Turkish Virtual Airlines UK Direct Ukraine International Airlines VA UKVirtual United Airlines Virtual United Virtual Unity Virtual UPS Virtual Air Cargo US Airways Virtual Airlines USA Flight club VA ELAL VaBird VASP Virtual Airlines Vbird Virtual Airline VFR-club Nederland Virgin Atlantic Virtual Virgin Virtual Group Virtua lRyanair virtual Air Logistics Virtual Airline (British Atlantic) Virtual Airline Alliance Virtual Airlines of Ukraine Virtual Blue Virtual Blue1 VA Virtual China Southern Airlines Virtual China Southern Airlines Virtual Continental Airlines Virtual Delta Virtual EXS Virtual Finnair Virtual Hobby Pilots Virtual International Flying Club Virtual Monarch Virtual Norwegian Virtual Oasis Asia Airlines Virtual OneWorld Alliance, Virtual Pakistan International Airlines Virtual RAF Virtual Ryanair Virtual TCX Virtual United Airlines VirtualTransavia vRYR Vueling Virtual WeGo airways WeGo Airways VA WestWind Airlines Wild Tigers Special Ops Group Wing Air WingsAir Virtual Wizz Air Virtual Airline XL Group VA xlvirtual.de Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamee9 12 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Yes I am in DLH virtual. So I am in the program[emoji8] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Boulegue 403 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 So request a code from you "CEO" :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyxx 92 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 LOL I had no idea that there was so many VA's. Not that I need to join anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamee9 12 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Quick question. Is merging two payware software legal?I mean like using Aerosoft A320 cockpit with a A310 body or something like that. Sent from my IPhone 6+ using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted January 20, 2016 Author Aerosoft Share Posted January 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Jamee9 said: Quick question. Is merging two payware software legal?I mean like using Aerosoft A320 cockpit with a A310 body or something like that. Sent from my IPhone 6+ using Tapatalk It depends. We got a very basic idea of ownership of software. I you buy it you can use it as you want on every system you own. If you want to tweak the a320 to have a Cessna cockpit be our guest. If you own 12 computers feel free to install it on any of those. We sell you the product, clear and simple. Install on FSX, FSX;STEAM. P3D, we do not care. One sale, one price, your product. The only thing is that we sell it to YOU. If you want to resell if, be free to do so, but if the new owner wants to install it, or wants service we will kindly ask him to contact you. We are not obliged in any way to support the new owner as we do not have a sales contract with him. You sold it, not us. If you want us to change our database we'll gladly do so but we like to be paid for that. Not a penny more than it costs, but we do not do that for free because we did not get any pay for that transaction. We have seen in the past some licenses have been passed on to 12 owners and 11 of the owners asked us to change the database to make THEM the legal owner. We feel sorry for the people who buy a 'legal' license on eBay but when we do not sell it we are not involved. However, many (most) other companies see it different and you will have to deal with their licenses. It really pays to find out. Many will only allow one installation and many feel that you will ask you to pay again if you install your FSX version on P3D. We do NOT judge that if there are licenses involved, we just know we do not have to do so. In the end, you will find us very flexible on these issues. If you are a customer we'll try to help. 85% of our customers owes more then one of our products. We would be out of our minds not to assist a nice guy asking for help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted January 21, 2016 Author Aerosoft Share Posted January 21, 2016 Update.The situation is rather confusing. While CEO E.J. Davis claims: “Based on the logs generated from TeamSpeak, those responsible for uploading the files have been either removed or have forcibly resigned.” Ada (remember that's the guy who was proud to show the CRJ pirated copy on facebook) states: "I am trying to search through the logs to find who has uploaded what but it is hard without explicit information. This will help me answer the questions that you have asked as we work towards your 24 hour deadline. I have told the team at Aerosoft that we do not have a list of all the individuals which is making it harder for us to follow through in the first set of emails. They have just sent us screenshots of Teamspeak." While we are very happy with the statement of mr Davis, we really would like a bit more information. For example WHO was removed. That will help us to identify the pirates so we can hurt them and leave the rest of the VA untouched. The comment from Ada is silly, he clearly did not speak to Mr Davis because what he tells me is not possible HAS already happened. He also asked us for file names (that were clear from the images we shared) so we provided him with Mega Airport Frankfurt.zip. Ada did not respond to that. Ada has followed up with a message that his legal counsel advised him that he is not able to assist us in any way. No problem, we'll talk to Mr Davis. We'll use the pirated CRJ issue to go after Ada, that's in fact a much simpler issue. As I say it's confusing. What is clear is that both Ada and Mr Davis are not willing to assist us much in finding who is actually involved. And you know, I got a pretty good idea why. I think you do as well by now. It is really up to the pilots of AAVirtual to clean out this mess. I mean are you really sure you want a person writing this to manage the VA you fly for? Please login to display this image. Of course we will initiate our legal cases, but we all know it will take months before something happens (in the end they will get a settlement proposal they will accept. They will pay a few thousand dollars and nobody will hear about it again, we will be forced to be silence to get the money). But in the meantime they will manage the VA and I think that is not right. It's up to the pilots however to fix this. They own the VA. In the end it is getting rather tiresome to keep on spending time on this. But it's important. People pirating beta copies seriously hurt this hobby. VA's sharing stolen files among staff members (we have heard from many pilots they did NOT have access to these sections) are just wrong. I have asked Mr Davis and Ada this: Here is a proposal. From Aerosoft I can promise you that we will not follow up on this in any way and we will stop all our legal actions if you forward an email from us to all your pilots and associates. In that mail we will not bring forward any new element but will ONLY quote from the mails you written us. Only your own words with short comments from Aerosoft. All quotes and comments will be in chronological order. In the email we will explain to your pilots what our feelings are and what proof we have. I feel this is a honest proposal that will bring this issue to an end (noting that this is ONLY from Aerosoft and not PMDG and the other companies involved). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron 95 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 We'll see if they send that email out. I'm still with the VA but my doubts are clouding my future with them. Especially after the CEO's response to me in the CRJ leaked beta thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManBOSS64 21 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 15 hours ago, TroopaKoopa_ said: We'll see if they send that email out. I'm still with the VA but my doubts are clouding my future with them. Especially after the CEO's response to me in the CRJ leaked beta thread. are you talking about singapore virtual airlines group ceo? I am also in your VA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted January 22, 2016 Author Aerosoft Share Posted January 22, 2016 We have no issues with singapore virtual airlines, let's avoid mentioning good VA's in this topic. Right now AAVirtual (aavirtual.net) is being discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron 95 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Mathijs Kok said: We have no issues with singapore virtual airlines, let's avoid mentioning good VA's in this topic. Right now AAVirtual (aavirtual.net) is being discussed. We at SVAG are proud partners of Aerosoft and we have a tough anti-piracy stance that is backed bey the local laws. I was referring to aavirtual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManBOSS64 21 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 11 hours ago, TroopaKoopa_ said: We at SVAG are proud partners of Aerosoft and we have a tough anti-piracy stance that is backed bey the local laws. I was referring to aavirtual. oh ok good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted January 23, 2016 Author Aerosoft Share Posted January 23, 2016 Just did the statistics for 2015. We send out 1188 discount codes to VA pilots. Just to show we are not against VA's. We love them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbus21 54 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 On 19.1.2016 at 12:51, Mathijs Kok sagte: For any pilot of a VA that is registered with us (question of just an email to support@aerosoft.com) we offer 20% discount on these products: Twin Otter Extended Professional Flight Planner X FS Flight Keeper FSMap Thessaloniki X Mega Airport Oslo Maastricht Aachen Airport Mega Airport Dublin Airbus A318/A319 Airbus A320/A321 Airbus A318/A319 & A320/A3231 Bundle Mega Airport Rome Mega Airport Zurich v2 More will be added end of this month. Are there any news, which products will be added to the list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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