sulphurtx 0 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Planes are coming in from strenge, fictional routes. A British Airways-flight is coming from Germany to land at Amsterdam Schiphol. Very unrealistic. Will it be possible to use real routes and timesheets in future versions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martijn Coenen 9 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I fear that would be a lot of work for Robert to write code for this. As every airport would need an (up to date) database for each company and each approach and departure. It would be nice to have this feature! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonM 94 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 This is surely on our to-do list but no promises it will be done at this moment. We first need good database Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scandinavian 53 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 You could maybe try to make it possible to import FSX ai timetables, or keep it random but making it possible for us users to customize each airport our self with the possibility to upload the files just like the current scheme with airlines and aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanwick 3 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 But what if you don't have FSX - like me? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted February 19, 2014 Aerosoft Share Posted February 19, 2014 But say your favorite airport is Bergerac in France and you want to have realistic traffic there today. That would mean you have one departure around 09:00 (to Paris), one arrival from London around noon that departs half an hour later. And then the flight from Paris will arrive around 20:00. Now that is 100% realistic, but utterly uninteresting. With real traffic 90% of all the airports are useless, you would never use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scandinavian 53 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Of course that is a trade off, but you could maybe also keep the current mode for those who want to try their hands on a minor airport with less real traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scandinavian 53 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 But what if you don't have FSX - like me? David You are still free to download free Ai-timetables from sites like avsim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martijn Coenen 9 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Programming-wise: A switch: Real Timetable vs Generated Traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted February 19, 2014 Aerosoft Share Posted February 19, 2014 It's being discussed but getting a world wide database of traffic that's legal to use is very hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martijn Coenen 9 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 That it wouldn't be a quick fix isn't a surprise We'll see what the future brings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martijn Coenen 9 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Now I think of it, it could be a community project as data source. The only thing you need to know is what ICAO code should enter the airspace or leave it at what FIX. See it like this, when there is a file defining the entry/icao combination, this can be used for those companies. When there is a plane arriving that is not named in the combination file, it will enter at randomly chosen STAR/SID routes. This way, a BA arriving at EHAM could be defined as only enter at, SUGOL STARs, and some new not known company can arrive at all STARs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted February 19, 2014 Aerosoft Share Posted February 19, 2014 Now I think of it, it could be a community project as data source. The only thing you need to know is what ICAO code should enter the airspace or leave it at what FIX. See it like this, when there is a file defining the entry/icao combination, this can be used for those companies. When there is a plane arriving that is not named in the combination file, it will enter at randomly chosen STAR/SID routes. This way, a BA arriving at EHAM could be defined as only enter at, SUGOL STARs, and some new not known company can arrive at all STARs. But why could a BA not come from other directions? I used BA flights from Scandinavia to Amsterdam a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martijn Coenen 9 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 It was an example Mathijs. But, take something like Icelandair. Seeing that arriving via RIVER and ARTIP would be something out of the ordinary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scandinavian 53 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 But why could a BA not come from other directions? I used BA flights from Scandinavia to Amsterdam a lot. Was probably Sun-Air then? For ATC that flight would have been seen as SUS not BAW, even if your ticket said BA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanwick 3 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I'm not sure that I understand where this debate is going. Any attempt to create real traffic movements would be a huge undertaking and even if something were to be created for the user to add his or her realistic timetables and flights to is there anyone who would be prepared to go to all that trouble to be able to use GATC? How about trying it for EGLL or EHAM!! Surely, the fun and attraction of GATC is the challenge of being able to control aircraft irrespective of where they have come from or are going to. But I guess there may be some people who would not enjoy this unless the traffic was 100% realistic in every way. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keenrw 59 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Just my 2ps worth ..it really doesn't bother me with airlines coming in from wrong directions..once it gets busy its all about getting a string of pearls going and keeping them safe ...I have played other ATC sims that had real traffic and it can get boring knowing what's coming at what time , I always used a random generator if there was one . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavs8 13 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Would love realistic schedules too that users can edit to suit themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AusTom 1 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Thanks to the developer for the simulation. Nice work. I have to say, the traffic issue does trouble me a bit. I am a fan of real traffic, but agree that random generation is very benefitial as well. The problem as I see it is the highly unrealistic traffic mix. It is nice that the correct airlines are flying only types that they fly and only to airports that they serve - that is almost all that I need. But when I'm working CYYZ and see Air Canada flights outnumbered 4 to 1 by LOT, the realism starts to fade. Likewise, not seeing a single Australian carrier at YSSY over an hour is... interesting. It occurred to me that a possible solution to the issue is to add a field in the airline data for country of origion. If the country of origion matches the country of airport, then the local airlines get a loading that increases the likelyhood of seeing one of them, possibly 2:1 or 3:1 (2 or 3 local for every non-local carrier - I just drew that ratio from the air, I've not done any research into typical ratios at airports). I haven't looked at the airport data to see whether there is a field for country data, but I'm not sure that it really needs it - you could base it on the airport code. ie.CXXX gives preference to Canadian airlines, YXXX, to Australian, EDXX to German carriers, etc... I think the realism generated by this change would be immense. If it was felt this was a good path to take, a further development could be to give aircraft a field that depicts their typical deployment. ie. short or long-haul. It would be imperfect, but a user based setting might adjust the ratio of short/long haul flights resulting in both a realistic feeling airline mix and a realistic feeling aircraft type mix. You could even have non-local carriers flying only long-haul aircraft. Not necessarily accurate, but it would reduce the number of Chinese CRJs flying around Canada! Anyway, as I said before, thanks for developing and supporting this simulator. Great work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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