Martin Müller 39 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Hello peopel! On approach ILS RWY 24 @ EGPH, the transistion (via DME-Arc) from "TLA" is not available in navdata pro. In navigraph it is. This is what I mean: http://members.chello.at/flusi/egph_24.pdf Further, the holding over "EDN" is wrong aligned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planemaker 4 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Very likely, the holding is correctly aligned - but just not the right one for your approach of the day ;-) The database can contain only one holding per fix/navaid. Nevertheless, there may be multiple different holdings at one fix for different purposes (STAR, approach, missed approach,....). For EDN at EGPH, there are at least two different holdings: For the ILS approach to runway 24 (AD2-EGPH-8-6, 25-JUL-2013), the holding at EDN has the following characteristics: inbound course: 242° turn direction: left For the STAR via STIRA (AD2-EGPH-7-1, 25-JUL-2013), the holding at EDN has the following characteristics: inbound course: 295° turn direction: right I don't have the NavDataPro available on the PC I'm working on right now, so I cannot verify the reportedly missing approach transition. Hope I could have been of any help. planemaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Müller 39 Posted October 22, 2013 Author Share Posted October 22, 2013 Very likely, the holding is correctly aligned - but just not the right one for your approach of the day ;-) Sorry, But I can read charts! You don't have to explain it, how the holdings are correct aligend. It is definitivly wrong aligned! The complete proceudre is wrong in the database: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan-Paul Schuchna 24 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 The transition TLA has an NDB / ILSDME ARC. Real world FMCs are not able to handle such an arc. They need a VOR/DME as reference Navaid to create an ARC. Therefore that transition is excluded in the ARINC 424 File. But the waypoints itself are there: TLA - R029M - TLA24 - R105L - R081L - ITH90 Btw: Your screenshot shows the Navigraph database and NOT NavdataPro. Jan-Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Müller 39 Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 So, I will explain what I mean: Please compare the "Vias" between Navdata Pro and Navigraph. The TLA via is NOT available on Navdata Pro but on Navigraph. Why? The other thing: Same problem with navdata-pro with the wrong holding: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonmar 8 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 I had an older Navigraph cycle 1303 for PMDG so I loaded it for a test. The TLA approach transition is present and IMO should be in the Aerosoft NavdataPro database. TLA is also on the Euro approach plate ILS24 EGPH2 25July13. I noticed also there are 2 holds at EDN, one is for FL140 to 6000 and the other is for below 6000'. I got a screenshot before departing LOWI (aerosoft's nice scenery!) to EGPH to show the TLA approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Müller 39 Posted October 24, 2013 Author Share Posted October 24, 2013 The TLA approach transition is present and IMO should be in the Aerosoft NavdataPro database. Shoud be, but is not ;-) The big question in this case is, that aerosoft says navdata comes from Ldio-Database which is used in real life aviation like from lufthansa etc.. And when this is true, is this procedure in real life available or not? The Holding-Prob: And yes, there are 2 different holdings for different altitudes in the charts. But none of that holdings has a cours of 2° as shwon in my screenshots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan-Paul Schuchna 24 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Hi, as already written above, the procedure is not available in real life. The reason is, that the arc bases on the EDN NDB (QDM Bearings) and ITH ILS/DME (ARC Distance). No real world FMS can handle that. They accept only a VOR/DME as reference navaid for the arc. Jan-Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Müller 39 Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 Hi, as already written above, the procedure is not available in real life. The reason is, that the arc bases on the EDN NDB (QDM Bearings) and ITH ILS/DME (ARC Distance). No real world FMS can handle that. They accept only a VOR/DME as reference navaid for the arc. Jan-Paul OK, in the navigraph database is also no arc, but there are waypoints "to simulate" an arc, but in the navdata-database is nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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