Deputy Sheriffs jrotaetxe 242 Posted January 11, 2013 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted January 11, 2013 Flying with CL and copilot, flaps 1 was requested a little bit early, then OVSPD alarrm, quick pitch up and, once normalised, resumed the final descent.. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbarreiros 3 Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Same here and not overweight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs Hanse 216 Posted January 12, 2013 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted January 12, 2013 Hi, could you give us a little bit more information on this subject...... i.e. what were the MCDU values PERF APPR page for F-, S- and O-Speed and at which speed the flaps were extended to 1 by the Copilot. For the Checklist we use those values (with a small tolerance)...... Hanse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emi 5161 Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 And please show us screenshots of the PFD shortly before you select the flaps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs jrotaetxe 242 Posted January 12, 2013 Author Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted January 12, 2013 Will try, for sure. Emmanuel... I did not selcted the flaps 1... Was done by the "virtual commander", as I was flying with CL. Regards, and thank you for your responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs jrotaetxe 242 Posted January 12, 2013 Author Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted January 12, 2013 As agreed... Sorry, Emi and Hanse. Could not catch the PFD before, but the selected Speed in the moment when "Flaps 1 " was commanded was exactly the green dot speed. Hereit is the screen capture in the very moment. Would like to comment a cople of issues I have during this app. While heading NT363, and just to be ready to capture the screen, I selected "LOC" mode (early, I know) and inmediately LOC* appeared in the PFD and a firm turn to the left. Selected LNAV mode again, and back to the track. Can be my error, but would like to have your oppinion. Flying the base leg, selected LOC (now, in my oppinion, at the right moment), and, surprisingly, the PNF announces "LOC ALIVE" and "LOC CAPTURED" at the same time. LOC* in the PFD and the "diamond" still in the far left Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs Hanse 216 Posted January 12, 2013 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted January 12, 2013 Hi, regarding your two issues:This is what I wanted to confirm (and thought) that it is not a problem of the Checklist functionality but of the MCDU "green dot spreed" calculation. So I will pass this on the responsible develloper for the MCDU.Normally you should follow the procedure. I think this was your problem that something was mixed up. First you should hear "Localizer alive" and then you should push LOC which then is confirmed by "Localizer captured"...... Hanse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs jrotaetxe 242 Posted January 12, 2013 Author Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted January 12, 2013 Thank you for the quick response and advise. Will do as you indicate. If someone wants to mimic the flight, is an approach to SBNT, initial FL320, initial leg starting in RUMBA, RNAV APP RWy 16L. A close airport to depart from is SBRF, bt I think is too close to reach FL320... Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidcraig 9 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Hi, regarding your two issues:This is what I wanted to confirm (and thought) that it is not a problem of the Checklist functionality but of the MCDU "green dot spreed" calculation. So I will pass this on the responsible develloper for the MCDU.Normally you should follow the procedure. I think this was your problem that something was mixed up. First you should hear "Localizer alive" and then you should push LOC which then is confirmed by "Localizer captured"...... Hanse I had the same problem. If I was managing my own flaps it wouldn't have happened. It was a bad approach, and I was trying to grab the glideslope from above while the LOC was already captured. Commander set flaps 2 and that was that. I'll try to grab screens if it happens again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon9 1 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Flying with CL and copilot, flaps 1 was requested a little bit early, then OVSPD alarrm, quick pitch up and, once normalised, resumed the final descent.. Regards I have the same when I try to fly the tutorial flight between EDDF and LOWW. Starting the descendt and a couple of minutes after the copilot put the flaps 1, making overspeed. I'm not in Localizer yet, only starting with the descendt. I'll try to put pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artus407 69 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 +1 same here even first intercepting LOC and then APPR does not help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgentil 163 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Same here! When I put flap 1, the plane enters on overspeed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomek6908 0 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Same here! When I put flap 1, the plane enters on overspeed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_mitri 6 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I also got the overspeed. It seems like the checklist is going into approach mode too early or something with the latest hotfix 8. I never got this on previous versions. Flaps 1 was ordered on my descent to Denver and it went into overspeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passpilotion 19 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I've already said this on the other topic, but yes configuration for landing starts too early. When the copilot deploys flaps 1 I retract them back immediately (it's too early and I am too fast so overspeed happens). I also bring back speed to 250 when the silly copilot makes it 190 way early. If I let the copilot fly the approach I can count on 20 min delay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mik75 30 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Same problem here, it messed up two approaches already... Only way to get rid of that is to disable the Co and manage the flaps by myself. Green dot speed is too high, or the overspeed area begins too low anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafgath73 3 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 +1 the same problems with deploying flaps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holger_l 3 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 same here. I had this everytime during approach when not in managed mode. I turn the Co off before and hear 100 times "Flaps 1" at 250 kts. When leaving managed mode during descend, the AP is a little bit confused permanently. Also V/S is not reacting as expected. The AP is not correctly reverting to managed mode when the knob is pushed again. both problems from the beginning, not starting with hotfixes Maybe some testers can have a look. thanks. Many small issues but a brilliant and outstanding product at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiber 8 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Had the same problem with co-pilot setting flaps 1 at overspeed. Happened without any hotfixes installed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holger_l 3 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 happened again also in managed mode. I think it is just because the approach checklist is starting too early. What is triggering it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs jrotaetxe 242 Posted January 20, 2013 Author Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted January 20, 2013 Please, see the response of Mr. Hanse upwards.... Seem it is related to green dot speed cacculations in the FMCDU, and, the best, they are conscious of this. Is a matter of time. Meanwhile, have an eye over green dot speed while approaching... Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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