nightsta1ker 4 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 I suppose asking for a rebuild of the visual model is a bit much to ask for, but the tailboom and aft end of the cabin section are not correct in dimension. This is something alot of us noticed right away and decided to overlook because of the other wonderful details about the huey. It is a bit annoying to look at though as it is obviously incorrect. Has any consideration of this been taken? Or am I just ###### in the wind? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Fletcher 570 Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I suppose asking for a rebuild of the visual model is a bit much to ask for, but the tailboom and aft end of the cabin section are not correct in dimension. This is something alot of us noticed right away and decided to overlook because of the other wonderful details about the huey. It is a bit annoying to look at though as it is obviously incorrect. Has any consideration of this been taken? Or am I just ###### in the wind? This is why we had the initial release issue thread so anything like this can be mentioned. Also not sure why you want to use ###### in your post when I'm sure you can use a civilised alternative. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 873 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Sorry the +1 in vote should have been a ÷1 and in red. Problem ist that ther is no downvote Finn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightsta1ker 4 Posted April 9, 2011 Author Share Posted April 9, 2011 If I had noticed based on aircraft development pictures that the tail boom was too short I surely would have said something. Unfortunately I did not notice. Are you saying that if I had posted this in the initial release issue thread your response would have been different? If so then let me move the thread to where it belongs. My mistake! It's still a great helicopter and if you don't change it I will still fly it happily. I just did not know if you knew that was a flaw or not, and considering I had not seen any comments about it on the forum, I did not know if you were even aware of the innacuracy. I have seen MANY comments about it on other forums and on youtube. There are quite a few people who did not buy the product because of it. I also don't understand why you are being so defensive. I did not intend my comment to be rude. In fact, I have defended your product quite a bit when others trashed it. As far as my language in my last post, I did not realize that a slang for urinating would be blocked. It's not like I said a slang for copulating. It's a common phrase where I am from and I did not intend it as an insult. In any case, I will take your response as a negative and move on. Have a nice day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightsta1ker 4 Posted April 9, 2011 Author Share Posted April 9, 2011 Sorry the +1 in vote should have been a ÷1 and in red. Problem ist that ther is no downvote Finn Well just so you know, I tried to give you a negative too. Works both ways I guess . Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snave 466 Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 If I had noticed based on aircraft development pictures that the tail boom was too short I surely would have said something. Unfortunately I did not notice. Are you saying that if I had posted this in the initial release issue thread your response would have been different? If so then let me move the thread to where it belongs. My mistake! It's still a great helicopter and if you don't change it I will still fly it happily. I just did not know if you knew that was a flaw or not, and considering I had not seen any comments about it on the forum, I did not know if you were even aware of the innacuracy. I have seen MANY comments about it on other forums and on youtube. There are quite a few people who did not buy the product because of it. I also don't understand why you are being so defensive. I did not intend my comment to be rude. In fact, I have defended your product quite a bit when others trashed it. As far as my language in my last post, I did not realize that a slang for urinating would be blocked. It's not like I said a slang for copulating. It's a common phrase where I am from and I did not intend it as an insult. In any case, I will take your response as a negative and move on. Have a nice day. MANY.? Please provide reference to six. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightsta1ker 4 Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 MANY.? Please provide reference to six. I'm not gonna go that far to make a point, but feel free to dig through Hovercontrol.com's forum and read up on what the FS helicopter community thinks of the AS Huey. The vast majority blew it off right away and are waiting patiently for the Dodo Huey. And you can check out my youtube account, just look for Aerosoft Huey X autorotation tutorial, find my profile and read the remarks. There's at least one reference to the short tail boom on there. Why are you guys being babies about this? The tailboom is short. Just thought I would point that out. You are either going to fix it or you are not. At this point I really don't care. End of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snave 466 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I did what you suggest, and despite several different searches, find NO REFERENCE either to the `many` - not even the `one`... In fact, all I do find at Hovercontrol is your effusive praise for the product, which begs the question - if YOU didn't notice it, with your perfectionist eye is it really an issue at all..? ...like I said: `MANY`..? Your choice to end the discussion isn't really an issue. We can carry on talking about you whether you're here or not. It's your choice whether you can justify your position or whether you come across as one of `those` types... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Schweigler 203 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Maybe there are some other things to short, but the tail boom of the Huey is ok I could even say, it is my interpretaion of the Huey. And if I had fun, I could give her a 3 bladed rotor... Would be still ok! Common... you're the only one who complains, and noone else says, you're right. So your word agaings many hundred infact even thousands, so why should we change it? Because of you? And then many hundred people will complain that their tail boom is too long? No, really, no! Bests, Joachim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Fletcher 570 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 As far as my language in my last post, I did not realize that a slang for urinating would be blocked. It's not like I said a slang for copulating. It's a common phrase where I am from and I did not intend it as an insult. The problem is that this is a community forum and certain words we wont allow as they are blocked by the bad word filter, more to will be added as necessary. We used to swear every other word on the Tank Park but we almost certainly didn't do the same elsewhere especially in the public eye, so what might be okay in one place does not make it okay to use elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightsta1ker 4 Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 The problem is that this is a community forum and certain words we wont allow as they are blocked by the bad word filter, more to will be added as necessary. We used to swear every other word on the Tank Park but we almost certainly didn't do the same elsewhere especially in the public eye, so what might be okay in one place does not make it okay to use elsewhere. Consider this my official apology. It won't happen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightsta1ker 4 Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 Maybe there are some other things to short, but the tail boom of the Huey is ok I could even say, it is my interpretaion of the Huey. And if I had fun, I could give her a 3 bladed rotor... Would be still ok! Common... you're the only one who complains, and noone else says, you're right. So your word agaings many hundred infact even thousands, so why should we change it? Because of you? And then many hundred people will complain that their tail boom is too long? No, really, no! Bests, Joachim So, the silence of thousands against the voice of one? Ok. Whatever dude. Just because no one bothered to mention that the boom is too short (either because they don't know any better, or because they don't care, or because they don't participate in these forums, or any other number of reasons) does not mean that no one has noticed. You want me to step up to the plate? I'll prove it to you. What would it take to get you to admit that the tailboom is short? How many opinions? You want thousands? I couldn't do that. But I WILL get you at least a half dozen. Maybe more. I like your product, and I have alot of respect for you as a developer. You did some really cool things with the Huey. It pains me that your arrogance in this matter is forcing us to argue. You may be a great developer, but I have worked around Hueys for the balance of my adult life. I know what they look like. You're Huey's tail boom is too short. I don't even expect you to fix it. At this point I just want you to admit that it's not to scale with the rest of the fuselage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightsta1ker 4 Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 I did what you suggest, and despite several different searches, find NO REFERENCE either to the `many` - not even the `one`... In fact, all I do find at Hovercontrol is your effusive praise for the product, which begs the question - if YOU didn't notice it, with your perfectionist eye is it really an issue at all..? ...like I said: `MANY`..? Your choice to end the discussion isn't really an issue. We can carry on talking about you whether you're here or not. It's your choice whether you can justify your position or whether you come across as one of `those` types... I DID notice it right away. I just was not too concerned with it. In fact, it wasn't that big a deal at all until this all got blown up after my remark, which was meant as a simple question. I already got the answer to that question from Joachim: "Common... you're the only one who complains, and noone else says, you're right. So your word agaings many hundred infact even thousands, so why should we change it? Because of you? And then many hundred people will complain that their tail boom is too long? No, really, no!" So at this point, I am really only trying to defend my point. Why? Pride I guess. The same reason you are trying to poke any hole that you can in my argument instead of admit that there is a flaw in your precious product. In the meantime, I will gather whatever evidence I can to prove to you that people have noticed that the tailboom is short. Happy? I always love a good.... umm... urinating contest (you gonna ban that word too?). Considering how staunchly I have defended this product in the past months, maybe a criticism from me should be taken with at least a shred of respect. Once again, I apologize for my tone in the initial comment. I realized too late that my "urinating in the wind" comment had been taken the wrong way, but you guys can't just quash people's opinions like you have been. It's bad PR and bad business. I would have been perfectly satisfied with a reply like "Sorry, at this stage it would require too much work to make any changes to the Huey." That would have answered my question, satisfied my curiosity and I would have shut up and gone back to flying my Huey with a short tail boom. But instead you feel the need to make me look like an idiot. Till next time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Schweigler 203 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 You know what "nightsta1ker"? Normally I wouldn't even answer to people without names, but your commend was as useless as many other comments that this is wrong and that is wrong, together with a negative tone that I simply had to. You call me arrogant? You don't even sign a post you do, THIS is arrogant! As developer it is soo damned annoying to hear all the time peoples opinions that something is wrong. Some even think, there must be something wrong, so lets search. ARGH, how this ####es me of, really! However, from one point of view I can even understand you, because you really think you're right. - I don't think so, and you can post 100 pictures and show me 2 dozents of people who share you're opinion. Look at your comparison shot. I don't know what you want to show us with such a picture, but the photograf and the screenshot are taken from a completely different field of view. (near and far) The pictures aren't compareable. And please let me say it again: Even IF the tailboom is too short, wich can be of course. (I can only work as correct as the information material I get is), then it is like that. As you say, it is too late for any change in the 3d model now. As developer you mostly read about the "misstakes" you made, and I guess this is one of the reasons, that there are less and less of them around. And to be honest, I don't want to read this any longer as well... Best regards, Joachim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightsta1ker 4 Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 You know what "nightsta1ker"? Normally I wouldn't even answer to people without names, but your commend was as useless as many other comments that this is wrong and that is wrong, together with a negative tone that I simply had to. You call me arrogant? You don't even sign a post you do, THIS is arrogant! As developer it is soo damned annoying to hear all the time peoples opinions that something is wrong. Some even think, there must be something wrong, so lets search. ARGH, how this ####es me of, really! However, from one point of view I can even understand you, because you really think you're right. - I don't think so, and you can post 100 pictures and show me 2 dozents of people who share you're opinion. Look at your comparison shot. I don't know what you want to show us with such a picture, but the photograf and the screenshot are taken from a completely different field of view. (near and far) The pictures aren't compareable. And please let me say it again: Even IF the tailboom is too short, wich can be of course. (I can only work as correct as the information material I get is), then it is like that. As you say, it is too late for any change in the 3d model now. As developer you mostly read about the "misstakes" you made, and I guess this is one of the reasons, that there are less and less of them around. And to be honest, I don't want to read this any longer as well... Best regards, Joachim You complain about me not having a signature, but then you write "Best regards" after slamming me. Is that a joke? Also, others have criticised me for using language that was filtered. Let me ask you: What does "####es" mean? I picked that particular photo of a Huey because it was of a similar scheme, and it was a side view. The distance should not make a lick of difference. You can clearly see that the tailboom is longer on the real huey than it is on your model. I understand how it must be frustrating to get criticised all the time. I really do understand, but the only reason this discussion has taken the turn that it has is because those of you that have involved yourself in this discussion have been so defensive, rude, and argumentative that it just made me want to argue the point that much more. You ARE arrogant. Every statement you have made so far as smacked of arrogance. Saying that I am because I choose not to put my real name here for privacy purposes is rediculous. Your whole argument is flawed and a little childish. In the meantime, I have found several people who think the tailboom (among other things) is incorrect: http://youtu.be/eJlh5c-4yKs, http://youtu.be/7aXKhJdf6Vw, http://www.hovercont...=ST;f=1;t=19570; But why should the burden of proof be on me? If you are so sure your huey is accurate, why don't you show me a scaled side view of your model, with measurements (surely you must have one, that is how you build the model, correct?) and compare it with a diagram of a real Huey such as this: I don't know what data you used to make the model, but either it was incorrect, or you just did not pay too close attention to it. I don't think I'm right. I know I am. I can tell you exactly where your problem area is. It's where the cabin starts to curve down in the back and meet witht the tail boom. The overal lenght of the helicopter is correct, but the tailboom is short and the cabin is too long. And you know what? I think you know it too. If you are not going to fix it. Fine. I understand. What I don't understand is why you all have felt so compelled to ridicule and debase my initial comment? You are all just asking for an argument. Did I mistake this as the forum of a professional developer? If you want to drop the subject, that's fine. This is not going anywhere. I would ask for an apology, but I know I won't get one. I will offer mine: I am sorry I criticised your model. I am sorry that you chose to get defensive over it. I am sorry that your defensive comments made me think you are arrogant. And most importantly, I am sorry that "other things" in your life might be "too short". For (hopefully) the last time. It's not that big a deal: Don't get your panties in a wad. It amazes me that all of this rhetoric has come out of my original comment. Best regards, Scott Swanberg (is that better?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Schweigler 203 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I don't know what data you used to make the model, but either it was incorrect, or you just did not pay too close attention to it. I don't think I'm right. I know I am. I can tell you exactly where your problem area is. It's where the cabin starts to curve down in the back and meet witht the tail boom. The overal lenght of the helicopter is correct, but the tailboom is short and the cabin is too long. And you know what? I think you know it too. No, I don't know. But I don't care! I said, That I can only model as exact as my reference material, and posting such a low res minipic as "reference" is just a joke, and who tells me that this is right? So its still your opinion against others. And even if I would look closer and see, aahh you're rigt, wich AGAIN, CAN BE, it is still too late. I am not offended by the fact that you found a bug or something. I am just angry about people whro write here, as they bought the general right to handle developers like slaves.. Just like "We paid, you have to do". But after reading the whole thread again, I must say, that you've been not as offending, as I read it first. Its just the fact that you "quote" others that simply do not exist. To make it short and come to an end. You're right, you think, it's too short, and you're right, it will not be changed, and you're right, I am damned arrogant. (Still) best regards, Joachim P.S. Yes it is indeed better to write to somebody with a Name. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightsta1ker 4 Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 No, I don't know. But I don't care! I said, That I can only model as exact as my reference material, and posting such a low res minipic as "reference" is just a joke, and who tells me that this is right? So its still your opinion against others. And even if I would look closer and see, aahh you're rigt, wich AGAIN, CAN BE, it is still too late. I am not offended by the fact that you found a bug or something. I am just angry about people whro write here, as they bought the general right to handle developers like slaves.. Just like "We paid, you have to do". But after reading the whole thread again, I must say, that you've been not as offending, as I read it first. Its just the fact that you "quote" others that simply do not exist. To make it short and come to an end. You're right, you think, it's too short, and you're right, it will not be changed, and you're right, I am damned arrogant. (Still) best regards, Joachim P.S. Yes it is indeed better to write to somebody with a Name. Honestly, I am really not as upset with you as I am with Finn and Snave, whos remarks REALLY got me fired up. They were not helpful in the slightest (considering the topic) and seemed designed to needle me unnecissarily. I understand they were defending the product, but seriously? Some maturity is definitely in dire need on this forum. I really do not think my observation and remark warranted the response I got, and now that this is over, I will probably be taking my opinions elsewhere. I have never had developers react with this much ferocity to criticism (and I am pretty liberal with my criticism wherever I post). I try to make it constructive, and I understand all the hard work that goes into these products. As far as my reference picture, I was simply using that as an example. I know it is small. I picked a small one so it would not croud the screen. There are bigger ones out there. But at this point it doesnt matter. I would NEVER try and treat you like you are a slave, and at no point did I DEMAND a fix or any other services. About the only thing that I demand is a shred of respect. If I get it, I will surely return it. Seeing as this is ending on a more pleasant note than it got started, and seeing that the bottom line has finally been reached, I bid you all a good day. Regards, Scott P.S. How is it that P i s s e d is censored, but damned is not? This forum is screwy since they updated it. And I do miss the (-) button on people's comments. I know every one of my comments would have been doused in red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Schweigler 203 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 lol, yes, lets write (Expletive deleted by admin) instead of without spaces in between it lol I miss the red one, too. So we aren't that different I hope, you have still much fun with the Huey. Have a nice day, too. Bests, Joachim (Comment from Admin.) Please lets not write any at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 873 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Honestly, I am really not as upset with you as I am with Finn and Snave, whos remarks REALLY got me fired up. They were not helpful in the slightest (considering the topic) and seemed designed to needle me unnecissarily. I understand they were defending the product, but seriously? Some maturity is definitely in dire need on this forum. I really do not think my observation and remark warranted the response I got, and now that this is over, I will probably be taking my opinions elsewhere. I have never had developers react with this much ferocity to criticism (and I am pretty liberal with my criticism wherever I post). I try to make it constructive, and I understand all the hard work that goes into these products. As far as my reference picture, I was simply using that as an example. I know it is small. I picked a small one so it would not croud the screen. There are bigger ones out there. But at this point it doesnt matter. I would NEVER try and treat you like you are a slave, and at no point did I DEMAND a fix or any other services. About the only thing that I demand is a shred of respect. If I get it, I will surely return it. Seeing as this is ending on a more pleasant note than it got started, and seeing that the bottom line has finally been reached, I bid you all a good day. Regards, Scott P.S. How is it that P i s s e d is censored, but damned is not? This forum is screwy since they updated it. And I do miss the (-) button on people's comments. I know every one of my comments would have been doused in red Not sure why exactly my post should have fired You up. I simply downvoted (or atleast did the attempt), cause the statement that alot of other users alongside You have found the issue with too short a tailboom. Apart from Your post, I haven´t seen or heard other people mention this - not in this forum, nor elsewhere. You told that at Hovercontrol forum there where alot of posts regarding this, but searching Hovercontrol only showed Your poll-thread with 5 answers. So it´s not about wether the tail boom ist too short or not, but rather about comming with serious critics in a orderly tone that made me attempt to downvote You. Discussion finished from my side... Finn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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