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Hi,

AES is nice but there is a mistake. Airliners are refueled on the right side of the aircraft 99% of the time

AES does it on the left side which is normally reserved for passenger handling only.

Just my 2 cents

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I'll have to agree with you there, it's really frustrating to have to wait for the fuel truck to finish before loading PAX in AES.

Have you ever seen real fueling with pax on board? "Hot refueling" is only allowed under attention of several safety regulations, e.g. fire trucks on standby at the parking position! No regular operation ...

Also it would be nice to have it itegrated with the aircraft fuel systme, so the time it takes is related to the amount of fuel pumped.

The developer of AES told several times before that refueling by AES has no high position at his priority list, besides it is even difficult to build the refueling function for all the various addon-planes. So don't better hold your breath until it is implemented ... :lol:

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Have you ever seen real fueling with pax on board? "Hot refueling" is only allowed under attention of several safety regulations, e.g. fire trucks on standby at the parking position! No regular operation ...

Sorry, but "Hot Refueling" and fueling with passengers onboard are two different things. Refueling an aircraft with passengers onboard is a normal operation and the only requirement is that the passengers be able to readily exit the aircraft in case of an emergency (i.e. the jetway must be against the aircraft and the door open or the airstairs/ground stairs be in place). A "Hot Refueling" is refueling an aircraft while one (or more) of the engines are running and is specifically prohibited in the EU and North America on ANY flight carrying passengers without exception. The only aircraft that can be "hot refueled" under any circumstance are helicopters (not carrying fare paying passengers or medical patients) and medivac aircraft not carrying patients. This does not include military aircraft operating on a military airfield as they operate under that military's rules and regulations.

That said, several major European airlines and a couple of North American ones do not allow an aircraft to be refueled with passengers onboard simply because they don't want to deal with having to ensure the cabin crew is onboard and prepared to direct the evacuation of the aircraft in case of a fueling problem.

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Agree with CAPFlyer. Refuelling with passengers on board or boardin de-boarding is authorized. Aircraft has to be ready to evacuate. Cabin crew,cockpit crew, and ground crew has to be aware of the refueling and in constant communication in case of emergency (oil speel or fire).

By the way once again the refueling in should be on the right side of the aircraft....you ll almost never see an airliner refuelled on the left side.

Also most of short haul flight doesn t need 2 catering trucks...

for AES :

Is it possible to have the refuelling on the left side ?

Is it possible to have the choice between 2 or only one catering truck ?

Is it possible to choose refueling while boarding de-boarding ?

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Also, one more note -

The only aircraft I've ever fueled or been trained to fuel which had fueling capability on the left side (other than those equipped for overwing fueling) are -

DC-10 (hookups only on wing outboard of #1 engine, panel on right wing outboard of #3)

747 (hookups and panel between #1 and #2 engines, second set of hookups on right wing between #3 & #4)

777 (hookups and panel outboard of #1, second set of hookups on right wing outboard of #2)

An-124 (hookups only, panel on right sponson forward of hookups)

707 (hookups in left wheel well or under left wing between #1 and #2 engines, second set of hookups on right wing)

I can't remember for sure, but I believe the early A300's had a second set of hookups on the left wing.

All other aircraft had fuel hookups and/or fuel panel on the right side of the airplane. Some aircraft the fuel panel was co-located with the fuel hookups (under wing on aircraft where the bottom of wing was more than 6 feet above ground and on side of aircraft/wingroot on lower aircraft). On others the fuel panel was separated, either on the forward fuselage (ERJ/CRJ), Air Conditioning Packs fairing (early A300, A330, & A340), the wheel sponson fairing (An-124/225, IL-76, C-141, C-5, C-130), aft engine fairing (L.188), or they didn't have a panel at all (DC-8, 707).

Finally, there was the one "oddball" pressure refueling aircraft, the Convair CV-580, which had pressure refueling points on both wings because the aircraft wasn't setup for single-point pressure refueling. In addition, you had to remove the fuel caps on top of the wing while pressure refueling to ensure proper pressure relief. There was no panel, you fueled it based on volume (either receiving that figure directly from the flight crew or making the conversion from weight yourself).

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