2 hours ago, Hans Hartmann said:

You are. FS2020 it is and $0.

Fantastic news. Thanks Hans! 👍🏻

4 hours ago, Hans Hartmann said:

You are. FS2020 it is and $0.

 

Looking so much forward to any update that will solidify the experience somewhat. It's an amazing virtual plane.

7 hours ago, Hans Hartmann said:

You are. FS2020 it is and $0.

Good to see you at FS Expo 2024! As others have mentioned, there are a lot of CRJ fans out there, many since the very beginning of MSFS 2020. We all want to see this aircraft "take off" so to speak as many pilots fly it on a regular basis and it will always be part of our hangars! 

I was one of those who said that a "remastered CRJ" for msfs2024 was coming... It's good to be wrong then... My apologies... It's the only plane I fly in MSFS for obvious reasons ... 

But will the update be released before MSFS2024 is the question. I think we just passed or our about to pass the 2 year anniversary since the last update  .

Aerosofts CRJ was my first plane in MSFS and it‘s still my favorite, because Air Manager Main and Overhead Panels are available.

Would be great to see the nose up/overshoot tendency when engaging the AP after flying manually until the altitude set at the AP fixed….or the Altitude, NAV/LOC capturing, which takes extremely long to settle.

Regards, Herbert

 

According to aus simmer, he was told the update for the crj is going to be sometime this summer. No details about what or when yet. Either way, plane flies and is still my main squeeze. It's like waiting to open a christmas presant. You know you have one, only this is a box you can't shake to guess what's even inside. What are the updates going to be?! Dying here.

On 7/11/2024 at 4:14 AM, Puukka said:

Aerosofts CRJ was my first plane in MSFS and it‘s still my favorite, because Air Manager Main and Overhead Panels are available.

Would be great to see the nose up/overshoot tendency when engaging the AP after flying manually until the altitude set at the AP fixed….or the Altitude, NAV/LOC capturing, which takes extremely long to settle.

Regards, Herbert

I have found that there is no overshoot IF

1. You are in climb detent.

2. You are in trim for airspeed when engaging the AP

 

If you are pulling or pushing on the yoke when you engage the AP in any aircraft, you will see the A/P do some weird stuff. 

4 hours ago, Crabby said:

I have found that there is no overshoot IF

1. You are in climb detent.

2. You are in trim for airspeed when engaging the AP

 

If you are pulling or pushing on the yoke when you engage the AP in any aircraft, you will see the A/P do some weird stuff. 

I did an analysis a few years ago in this forum, and found that there will be a sudden jump in trim setting if you disconnect the autopilot at one airspeed, speed up, retrim, and reconnect the autopilot.
 

On all autopilot engagements excluding the first time, the autopilot will instantaneously set the elevator trim to the last setting the autopilot remembers from its last disconnect, and slowly work it back to the correct value. At least that was the case 2 years ago.

On 7/22/2024 at 10:32 PM, amahran said:

I did an analysis a few years ago in this forum, and found that there will be a sudden jump in trim setting if you disconnect the autopilot at one airspeed, speed up, retrim, and reconnect the autopilot.
 

On all autopilot engagements excluding the first time, the autopilot will instantaneously set the elevator trim to the last setting the autopilot remembers from its last disconnect, and slowly work it back to the correct value. At least that was the case 2 years ago.

I don't see that. I tried yesterday.  The only time I see a "jump" is if I am out of trim when engaging the AP.  I see no jump whatsoever on AP disengage.  Granted, I do not know if the behavior I see is real, however in aircraft that I have flown, if the AP is engaged while out of trim, the much smarter AP tries to rapidly trim into speed up or down.  Most FCOMs that I have (if not all of them) explicitly state that the aircraft must be in trim before engaging the AP.  

1 hour ago, Crabby said:

I don't see that. I tried yesterday.  The only time I see a "jump" is if I am out of trim when engaging the AP.  I see no jump whatsoever on AP disengage.  Granted, I do not know if the behavior I see is real, however in aircraft that I have flown, if the AP is engaged while out of trim, the much smarter AP tries to rapidly trim into speed up or down.  Most FCOMs that I have (if not all of them) explicitly state that the aircraft must be in trim before engaging the AP.  

I'm not sure we ran the same test case. In any case, I tried doing the same thing over here, and have the video recording with my narration of what I'm doing step by step (all the way from flight initialization to the demonstration of the problem, no cuts):

 

@Hans HartmannMay we please have an update as to the progression of the update, initially stated last year?

On 8/11/2024 at 8:45 PM, amahran said:

I'm not sure we ran the same test case. In any case, I tried doing the same thing over here, and have the video recording with my narration of what I'm doing step by step (all the way from flight initialization to the demonstration of the problem, no cuts):

 

What would happen if you set the speed bug to whatever speed you are at when you re-engage the autopilot.  Kind of fishing here, but saw your bug at 150 and since the CRJ uses pitch to control speed it may be going nose up real fast trying to get to 150 then realizing it overshot the alt restriction and begins to nose over for that.  

Now it is clear why this update is taking forever to finish, Hans is busy working on the ATR with upcoming new features for it with Microsoft, and that means that the CRJ update is on the backburner and likely is not being worked on as much as it should. This was mentioned in the last MSFS dev stream. I know Hans claims the update is coming this year, but I've heard that one before... I don't believe we'll see it this year, one can hope I'm proven wrong but that is unlikely. 

2 hours ago, Lars K. Rønes said:

Now it is clear why this update is taking forever to finish, Hans is busy working on the ATR with upcoming new features for it with Microsoft, and that means that the CRJ update is on the backburner and likely is not being worked on as much as it should. This was mentioned in the last MSFS dev stream. I know Hans claims the update is coming this year, but I've heard that one before... I don't believe we'll see it this year, one can hope I'm proven wrong but that is unlikely. 

You shouldn't make assumptions... pretty much every word you say is wrong.

I have one simple question about that CRJ because I don't own it and can't judge myself and the information I get out of this therad is a bit contradictive, some people say this, some people say that, so:

 

Is the CRJ working? Can it be used properly within some reasonable margins we always have in a simulator? Or is it simly not working right?

2 hours ago, FlyAgi said:

I have one simple question about that CRJ because I don't own it and can't judge myself and the information I get out of this therad is a bit contradictive, some people say this, some people say that, so:

 

Is the CRJ working? Can it be used properly within some reasonable margins we always have in a simulator? Or is it simly not working right?

Short answer: For 2D, Yes it works and is usable on VATSIM, but don't expect consistent behavior. For VR headsets, some dials are unusable, rendering the plane unflyable unless you're handflying the whole way.

 

Long answer: It works under specific conditions (specific types of approaches, specific types of flightplans, specific autopilot modes, etc.). Outside of those, the behavior can be unpredictable. It depends on your comfort level with unknowns (including system nuances that are not representative of the real thing and cause more workload). The control logic for the dials on the FCP and the Baro set knobs are also incredibly inefficient to use, and not usable in VR at all with a mouse. Overall, the biggest gripes are:

• FMS logic is unpredictable under certain situations
• Vertical guidance (VNAV/Snowflake) is misleading or erroneous under anything more than the simplest VNAV calculations
• Autoflight logic and control laws need a lot of reworking: premature turns, snaking, sudden trim jumps on AP reconnects, vertical mode during approaches are unpredictable and cause a lot of workload.
• FADEC responsiveness is slow and too loose, causing N1 overshoots (inconsequential, but grating).

Then there's the "state of the art" issue: when the CRJ came out it was at its peak in terms of quality and features, which set it apart from anything from the FSX days. However, lots of devs have surpassed that benchmark since then with features that are above and beyond (see PMDG, Inibuilds, JustFlight, Carenado, Fenix-even-though-it-works-in-its-own-external-environment), which makes the CRJ in its current form really barebones (you get W&B control and some EFB options, but that's it). The CRJ is really overdue for a makeover that would bring it back in line with the rest of the products on the market.

Overall, however, it's useable on VATSIM if you're willing to accept some oddities here and there, and that there's a higher workload associated with dealing with those oddities that you don't see on the real aircraft.

Okay... thanks for the summary... I think I get it now.

🙂

On 8/18/2024 at 6:34 PM, Hans Hartmann said:

You shouldn't make assumptions... pretty much every word you say is wrong.

 

If he is so wrong, perhaps just give a tiny bit more information to your paying customers who are still dealing with a buggy product. It's been over two years since the last update. And also well over a year since you'd get on it with full attention since the ATR had been finished and released....

 

Back up your own statement and deliver something.

On 8/19/2024 at 12:34 AM, Hans Hartmann said:

You shouldn't make assumptions... pretty much every word you say is wrong.

I would be happy to be proven wrong, but so far I don't see anything that would indicate that what I said is wrong. After all this time, we literally have nothing other than "it's coming soon™". 

On 8/23/2024 at 5:38 AM, Lars K. Rønes said:

I would be happy to be proven wrong, but so far I don't see anything that would indicate that what I said is wrong. After all this time, we literally have nothing other than "it's coming soon™". 

Lol. They've been stringing ya'll along for going on 2.5 years. This plane is never going to scratch your itch, because it's never going to receive continuous attention and support. That's a demonstrable fact if you look at every AS/HH project and compare them to the market leaders like Fenix, Justflight, or even PMDG (who obviously have their own issue. s)

 

Given Aerosoft and Hans' business model of contracting out work, you are negotiating with a mercenary who has no allegiance to you as a customer. You well get, at most, a fleeting level of attention until they move on to their next venture. 

Is the CRJ update being held for MSFS 2024?

Hartmann insists – in several appearances – that it is not. It is MSFS and what will come in summer (which by the way will end soon) (...)

20 hours ago, SIMIOVOLADOR said:

Hartmann insists – in several appearances – that it is not. It is MSFS and what will come in summer (which by the way will end soon) (...)

We're down to the final week of summer.

Sept 22 is the end of summer, I would be very surprised if it is coming before that. I know Hans insists it will be before MSFS2024, that releases on Nov 19. Lets see if it happens, but at this point I am not expecting anything.