Soooo......any news?

[Guest]

21 hours ago, Mathijs Kok said:

 

That's not for me to say.

Okay 

[CRJay 480]

Just please stop with the vague statements of hope and progress based on nothing but "I've seen it". Back it up. Ask good friend mr. Hartmann to maybe take 5 minutes out of his busy schedule of working on anything but the CRJ, to show just the tiniest bit of progress. A changelog, some random bug that is fixed, anything. 

 

Until then, we are customers who have paid, but are not paying anymore, so not a priority anymore. If that is not abundantly clear yet, let's check again:

 

815 days since last CRJ update

336 days since post with any substance by developer

 

I have had better customer support from Captain Sim.

 

 

[S P 26]

5 hours ago, CRJay said:

If that is not abundantly clear yet, let's check again:

 

815 days since last CRJ update

336 days since post with any substance by developer.

That's because there are not nearly enough posts about how Aerosoft has abandoned the CRJ. I am sure if we double, maybe triple this amount, surely then developers will change their minds. Failing that, only round the clock vigil outside Aerosoft HQ will do. 

[FernandoPosada 8]

2 hours ago, S P said:

That's because there are not nearly enough posts about how Aerosoft has abandoned the CRJ. I am sure if we double, maybe triple this amount, surely then developers will change their minds. Failing that, only round the clock vigil outside Aerosoft HQ will do. 

That’s because all other posts have been closed by admins, I’m actually surprised this one still alive… just waiting and any time soon they’ll pull the plug

[mikkel 119]

It's unfortunate that the add-on ended up like this. 

The symptoms were clear from the beginning. Aerosoft/Hans Hartman did not seem very interested in systematically addressing customers feedback/bug reports. This could have been done by listing the feedback/bug reports in a forum post list, and have a comment on the plan for how to deal with it, or whether to keep it the way it is. Pretty much how Asobo/Microsoft have done with their development updates.

It seems like Microsoft have helped Hans Hartman and his team with such lists for the ATR, based on what was said by Jorg N. in one of the developer Q&A's.

[S P 26]

Just FYI, if you haven't been watching Rafi (Aerosoft Community Manager) flying CRJ (ABANDONED!!) on his Twitch stream for the last several hours...

 

He said that CRJ (ABANDONED!!) update was/is planned before the MSFS2024 release date, but it is Hans Hartmann's project, so he does not know exactly when the CRJ (ABANDONED!!) update will actually release. 

 

Back to your regularly scheduled ABANDONED!1! posting. 

[Guest]

cautiously optimistic,  again hoping it finally is on xbox 

[Skauber 67]

On 10/2/2024 at 11:21 PM, S P said:

Just FYI, if you haven't been watching Rafi (Aerosoft Community Manager) flying CRJ (ABANDONED!!) on his Twitch stream for the last several hours...

 

He said that CRJ (ABANDONED!!) update was/is planned before the MSFS2024 release date, but it is Hans Hartmann's project, so he does not know exactly when the CRJ (ABANDONED!!) update will actually release. 

 

Back to your regularly scheduled ABANDONED!1! posting. 

Maybe, maybe not. At this point we have way more information about the ATR update and whatever else project Hans was working on with Microsoft, than we have of any CRJ update. If its so close to release (promised several times with vague "deadlines" that has always been pushed, now with a vague "before MSFS2024" deadline from a third party (not Hans)), you'd think there would be something that could be shown. Some other Aerosoft people has hinted that it is a "massive" update, almost a rework, new modeling, texturing, etc., if that really is the case, why is there not even a teaser screenshot of any sort showing anything about the CRJ? There's just nothing. If it was indeed roughly a month away from release, you cant tell me there's nothing to say or show about it. So I don't believe it until I see it. We've heard it before, it's coming soon, yet it never comes. 

[snglecoil 24]

The thought just occurred to me. If the update doesn’t come out before the end of November, I will have have been hired, trained, accumulated 1000+ hours, and upgraded to captain in an actual CRJ since the last update was released. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, snglecoil said:

The thought just occurred to me. If the update doesn’t come out before the end of November, I will have have been hired, trained, accumulated 1000+ hours, and upgraded to captain in an actual CJR since the last update was released. 

that's pretty sad, on aerosofts part.  dang.  

 

yeah they really dropped the ball on the crj.  which is funny to me after taking so much pride, or at least the title, of 1st payware plane for msfs 2020.   we'd all really like to see it & on xbox too for us users on console 

[fragonarc 4]

It is unclear to me whether the problem of lack of interest in the product is from Aerosoft, Digital Aviation, or both.

 

I consider Digital Aviation to be one of the best development companies in air simulation, their last Fokker 70-100 in FS2004 and FSX was an excellent job.

 

If it is a business problem, I think Digital Aviation should ally with another company or else work with the community, I am sure this project would give a lot of money even with donations.

 

On the other hand, one would have to know how many people from the original project actually still work in the company:

 

• Programming: Hans Hartmann (Digital Aviation)
• 3D Modelling, Texturing: Stefan Hoffmann (Aerosoft)
• Flight dynamics: Alexander Metzger (Digital Aviation)
• Sound: Turbine Sound Studios, Aerosoft, Digital Aviation, Asobo
• Documentation: Ingo Voigt (Digital Aviation), Mathijs Kok, Alexander Metzger
• Project Management: Mathijs Kok (Aerosoft), Winfried Diekmann (Aerosoft)
• Marketing: Vanessa Quandt (Aerosoft)
• Additional Liveries: Holger Sobl
• Video: Jeroen Doorman (Jerdoo)

 

It's a pity that for the few good aircraft that Aerosoft has, it abandons them.

[SIMIOVOLADOR 7]

For me the problem is time. In the end it's all about money. Perhaps we like the CRJ very much, but every day there are fewer of us, and that has an economic implication and therefore, in the interest in its development and possible updates. 

 

They are NOT conclusive evidence, but they are indications:

 

-In the post created by Baracus250, in the MSFS Forum entitled "Your Current TOP 10 Aircraft", we can review and see that the CRJ appears for September 2024 in 56th place (It had previously been in 12th place in that same survey in 2022, and in 14th place, in 2023). 

 

- In the "Flightsim Community Survey 2023" by Navigraph (Point 3.7.5, page 62) the CRJ does not appear in the top 15 chosen by the respondents. 

 

 It is true that no company is going to invest time and money in an aircraft that has lost interest in the community, largely and paradoxically, due to the delay in making updates in acceptable times.

 

I hope I'm wrong and that new Update (as many of those responsible for the CRJ say and reiterate that it will come will), not only improve the CRJ in all its aspects, but also to attract the pilots again, including, of course, those from X box.

[poseign 21]

On 9/30/2024 at 7:09 AM, CRJay said:

Just please stop with the vague statements of hope and progress based on nothing but "I've seen it". Back it up. Ask good friend mr. Hartmann to maybe take 5 minutes out of his busy schedule of working on anything but the CRJ, to show just the tiniest bit of progress. A changelog, some random bug that is fixed, anything. 

 

Until then, we are customers who have paid, but are not paying anymore, so not a priority anymore. If that is not abundantly clear yet, let's check again:

 

815 days since last CRJ update

336 days since post with any substance by developer

 

I have had better customer support from Captain Sim.

 

 

I've given up on the CRJ at this point. I bought my second ever payware commercial airliner back in late July (PMDG 737-800) and the CRJ has been hangered ever since. For about the same amount of money that the CRJ put me back, that plane eclipses the CRJ in every single possible way, it's not even worthy of comparison. 

 

One of two options here is true: The CRJ update doesn't exist, or it's going to be released right before or during the launch window of FS2024 and will be marketed as the first payware airliner to take advantage of FS2024's new features in an attempt to cash in again on being first to market. Either option makes AS a garbage company that won't get another dime from me.

[S P 26]

In that case, I will buy TWO copies of the updated CRJ and donate extra one to another flightsim enthusiast in your name. 

 

Speaking of which, as a loyal PMDG customer now, shouldn't you post with your real name?

[CRJay 480]

14 hours ago, S P said:

In that case, I will buy TWO copies of the updated CRJ and donate extra one to another flightsim enthusiast in your name. 

 

Speaking of which, as a loyal PMDG customer now, shouldn't you post with your real name?

 

I see we have a new resident Aerosoft apologist :). Enjoy wasting your money and time.

 

Like @snglecoil, in the development time of the CRJ by Digital Aviation I have had a pretty decent run IRL on the CRJ. Right seat, left seat, training. I'd have loved to see the addon succeed and be properly good (sadly, it isn't). I have recently moved to another type, the only reason I check in here still every now and then is to make sure people are aware of what they are buying in to.

 

Because some people still think about buying this overpriced addon, when their time and money is much better spent on addons that surpass the CRJ in every single way (and are often substantially cheaper).

 

I'll be happily surprised if an update ever drops for the CRJ, I'd be even more surprised if it actually makes the plane more realistic. May hope never die .

[Joe Markowski 156]

On 10/5/2024 at 2:43 PM, S P said:

In that case, I will buy TWO copies of the updated CRJ and donate extra one to another flightsim enthusiast in your name. 

 

Speaking of which, as a loyal PMDG customer now, shouldn't you post with your real name?

Haha wow you sure showed him with that clever quip.

 

[poseign 21]

On 10/5/2024 at 3:43 PM, S P said:

In that case, I will buy TWO copies of the updated CRJ and donate extra one to another flightsim enthusiast in your name. 

 

Speaking of which, as a loyal PMDG customer now, shouldn't you post with your real name?

The other posters have already done the job of ripping you apart for this comment so I'll refrain from that, but If simply buying one aircraft from PMDG makes me a loyal PMDG customer, then by your logic I was a loyal Aerosoft customer too, until I wasn't. Because they screwed me with an abandonware addon. PMDG is not without their problems, but what they aren't doing is letting their products sit in a broken state with literal years between their updates.

 

Sorry if that's a hard pill for you to swallow, but not sorry that I'm having more fun with a pretty objectively better, higher fidelity aircraft.

[molleh 20]

With the release of the incredible Aerosoft A330, it's clear as mud where all the development resources were spent over the last few years. lol

[S P 26]

If anything, in view of A330 debacle, Hans Hartmann's silence regarding the CRJ update seems like a smart strategy. 

[amahran 630]

2 hours ago, S P said:

If anything, in view of A330 debacle, Hans Hartmann's silence regarding the CRJ update seems like a smart strategy. 

The “A330 debacle” is taking 4 years to somehow deliver something that doesn’t meet the MVP of a flight sim addon by today’s standards and expectations. Vocalness or silence wouldn’t have changed the level of outrage the past few days at all

 

If anything, it appears that the consensus in the community is that the CRJ is trending the same way: 2 years of no updates, no statements other than some vague “inshallah”s, and the A330 that came out after those past two years exhibit the same problems as the CRJ, albeit with even further regressions. 
 

If you wanna keep hoping, be my guest. I’ve already made my peace with the fact that no progress will ever be made if Hans has no progress to show for it or even any engagement in a snag investigation after over two years. 

[Patrick1246 353]

Am 4.10.2024 um 20:00 schrieb fragonarc:

 

I consider Digital Aviation to be one of the best development companies in air simulation, their last Fokker 70-100 in FS2004 and FSX was an excellent job.

Still waiting for my Virtual Cockpit

[Seekay 14]

The ATR freighter and STOL expansion was just released. Now how about that CRJ update, Hans?

[Guest]

Agreed. 

[jstnj 110]

On 10/9/2024 at 1:47 PM, molleh said:

With the release of the incredible Aerosoft A330, it's clear as mud where all the development resources were spent over the last few years. lol

Lmao. 

Perfectly exemplifies the broken processes of Aerosoft. They spent 3ish years "developing" the Aerosoft A330 only to be outdone by freeware and now outpaced inibuilds impending release.

 

When Aerosoft felt the pressure of inibuilds' release, they decided to release what they had, which we've now learned is...underwhelming, to say the least. 

I see no signs of Aerosoft *suddenly* becoming good at developing aircraft for flight simulation any time soon, including with the CRJ. Time to move on, folks. 

 

I and many others are more than willing to recommend aircraft from other developers that can scratch the itch for a quality, well-supported regional jet.

[SIMIOVOLADOR 7]

... and as I have been reading in the relevant forum, the update of the ATR (by those who fly it) apparently has not liked either ...

 

very dark looks any "remastering" of the CRJ ...