Help with tutorial flight Düsseldorf to Basel (and maybe there was a bug also?)

[mikkel 63]

First, what I suspect could be a bug:

- I tried to fly the tutorial flight in 'Vol1 Aircraft Operating Manual Part 1' from Düsseldorf to Basel, everything went fine until I approached transition point Altik. I had used the 1/2 bank button, as there are some quite sharp turns up to this point (I may have pressed the 1/2 bank button on and off to test it's function a couple of times). Anyways I suddenly noticed that the aircraft did not turn at Altik, but continue straight forward, the NAV-button was pressed on the FMC, but the FD showed showed that the aircraft should continue straight ahead. Earlier in the decent phase, I tried to enter NAV-radios manually for the "12 DME Arc BLM with frequency 117.45 set in VOR2" and "ILS with frequency 111.55, identifier MH set in VOR1 and course 153°" in the CDU . 

 

From Altik, I then manually flew the plane quite okay on the STAR/approach, for an ILS and visual landing on runway 15. About half way from Altik to the ILS intercept for RNW15, I noticed that the FD seemed to function correct again.

 

Okay, that was the issues I might belive could be a bug with the system.

 

Secondly, I would like to fly this tutorial again without any issues, but there is something I really did not understand how to interpret and apply from the tutorial:

 

- ILS Y RWY 15 with IAF ALTIK at minimum 5000 ft.

- 12 DME Arc BLM with frequency 117.45 set in VOR2

- ILS with frequency 111.55, identifier MH set in VOR1 and course 153°

 

How I'm I supposed combine this information with the entered STAR and apply this information into the FMC and radios in a correct manner?

[mikkel 63]

May anyone working on the documentation at Aerosoft perhaps give some advice here?

[Joe Markowski 139]

The official tutorial is in Volume 3, I wonder if the one at the end of Volume 1 is a holdover.  I haven't tried it.

Without seeing the FMS, though, it sounds like you might have had a discontinuity and that's why it continued straight ahead instead of heading to the next waypoint.  Was it expecting vectors or something?  I also don't know how it would handle a DME arc.

[mikkel 63]

Yes, the tutorial is probably from an earlier release of the CRJ, but it's still an interesting flight. Except this DME arc mentioning, it's easy to follow.

On FMS setup: I'm pretty sure I did not have any vectoring entries on the legs page, at least I had no discontinuities.

Looking forward to flying the tutorial flight again once I get some feedback on how to handle DME arcs.

[Joe Markowski 139]

Are you asking how to input DME arcs into the FMS?  Having just finished the manual, I don't think I saw anything about it, but if I have time tonight I'll look at the tutorial and try to program it and see what it looks like.

 

Are you asking how to fly a DME arc?  That's a different question and they're actually pretty simple.

[mikkel 63]

I don't think it were included in the manual, but it seems like the add-on supports DME arc's. 

For me at least, I guess there are four issues that it would be interesting to understand:

 

- Can a DME circles be entered on the map display as a visual reference?

- Can you make the autopilot follow a DME arc without it being a part of the FMS route?

- It seems like a DME arc can be entered into the FMS, but how?

- Can a DME arc approach be combined with an ILS approach in the FMS-system?

 

 

[mikkel 63]

Have the developers jumped ship?

[Joe Markowski 139]

On 3/3/2022 at 12:33 AM, mikkel said:

Can a DME circles be entered on the map display as a visual reference?

From the Fix page you could enter the VOR/DME name and the DME distance and display it.

 

I'm not sure if there's a way to fly a DME arc automatically, though.

[mikkel 63]

Ok, thanks.

 

Hope Aerosoft can update the manuals with DME arc functionality explainations.