Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo issues with Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals within P3Dv4

[Eduardo Passos 14]

Is there any known issue between Honeycomb products & Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals?

I had previously Saitek X52 & Rudder + CH Throttle Quadrant, changing it to Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo BUT KEEPING SAITEK COMBAT RUDDER PEDALS.

Trouble is that rudders don't move although while in ground it works going right or left.

Tks

[SimWare 730]

Dear Eduardo,

There is absolutely no issue with that combination.

Just make sure you go in the controls configuration of the simulator and assign all the axes of all the controls to their 

respective functions.

 

Simply don't assume the default assignments will make everyting work.
Tons of assignment will be made based on assumptions and most common default airplanes.

Moreover, these assignments assume the controller you just connected is the only one in use.
---> It may then assign functions that are already assigned to another connected controller.

EXAMPLE :

You connect a joystick and P3D automatically assigns the slider to the throttle function.
However, you already have a throttle quadrant connected and assigned.

If you blindly rely to the automatic default assignments, you will now have two controls assigned to the throttle.
That will lead to conflicts and unwanted behaviors
You may think that your device or the simulator is defective.

 

Best regards.

[Eduardo Passos 14]

Hi, SimWare

Really don't know why this is giving me so much trouble.

I didn't assign any axis/calibration through FSUIPC (copied joystick part of it in ini and if needed can send all ini)

Have you any clue of what I'm doing wrong or how to try to fix this? Because although when pressing rudder axis while in ground aircraft obeys command but neither pedals nor rudder moves. It may seem a fragile argument but loses realism.

Read somewhere that one shouldn't unplug and plug devices via usb to not have some issues

Tks (again & again & again)

A-FSUIPC ini.txt

[SimWare 730]

On 8/11/2021 at 11:20 AM, Eduardo Passos said:

Hi, SimWare

Really don't know why this is giving me so much trouble.

I didn't assign any axis/calibration through FSUIPC (copied joystick part of it in ini and if needed can send all ini)

Have you any clue of what I'm doing wrong or how to try to fix this? Because although when pressing rudder axis while in ground aircraft obeys command but neither pedals nor rudder moves. It may seem a fragile argument but loses realism.

Read somewhere that one shouldn't unplug and plug devices via usb to not have some issues

Tks (again & again & again)

A-FSUIPC ini.txt 315 B · 0 downloads

Hello Eduardo,

 

1 - Please simply remove the whole "Modules" folder from the P3D main folder for tests.
(cut and paste it onto your desktop, for instance) 
Then restart P3D.

 

2 - Do you mean the rudder works well, but you don't see the pedals moving ?
      If yes, what plane do you fly ? I will check it here, if possible.

 

Thank you.

[Eduardo Passos 14]

I'm always flying QW787-8. Didn't try any other acxft.

[SimWare 730]

Thank you.

What about the two other points ?

 

Bes regards.

[Eduardo Passos 14]

Rudder pedals don't move (and the same thing happens with vertical stabilizer) although while taxiing it works in QW787-8 (P3D4 & 5)

My P3D4 has an empty Modules folder. Remove it just the same?

      P3D5 has no Modules folder

[SimWare 730]

But on the ground and in flight, moving the Saitek pedals steer the plane as supposed, right ?

 

Thank you.

[Eduardo Passos 14]

Yes.

[SimWare 730]

15 hours ago, Eduardo Passos said:

Yes.

Hi Eduardo,

 

I made some tests with the QualityWings - Ultimate 787 Collection for P3D, and the rudder pedals are moving.
Please see the pics below.
Please confirm you made the same assignment and that you use the exact same addon purchased from a safe source (not cracked, as this may lead to missing features)

 

Thank you.

 

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[Eduardo Passos 14]

Sorry for delay.

This is my config. Tried to change but axis assignment for Rudder keeps coming Rz Axis, no Z Axis

 

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[SimWare 730]

Hi Eduardo,

 

The axis name isn't an issue as they change according to the control used.
Your assignments seem ok.

There seems to be graphical issue somewhere as, despite you don't see the rudder pedals moving in the sim,
the actions on the Combat Rudder Pedals steer the plane as expected anyway.
 

I would say, for the time being, simply fly the aircraft like this.

I will make some extra tests and come back to you.

Best regards.

[Eduardo Passos 14]

1) tks for helping me

2) could it be wise to uninstall Mad Catz drivers & software and reinstall them?

3) since Pedals steer the airplane I shouldn't be so unsatisfied about so small issue but hope that you understand it's frustrating...

4) again many many thanks

[SimWare 730]

23 hours ago, Eduardo Passos said:

1) tks for helping me

2) could it be wise to uninstall Mad Catz drivers & software and reinstall them?

3) since Pedals steer the airplane I shouldn't be so unsatisfied about so small issue but hope that you understand it's frustrating...

4) again many many thanks

Hi Eduardo,

 

1) 4) You are more than welcome !
2) Those software are of little help when assignments are made from within the simulators.
     I doubt it would change anything in this case, but a fresh reinstall of any program is always a good idea.
3) I perfectly understand this is frustrating.
    I will ask my P3D specialist colleague to look into it as it seems to be addon/oftware related more than software.

 

Best regards. 

[Eduardo Passos 14]

Hi, SimWare

I'm having some issues with P3D5 (and have P3D4 too, both installed in separate drives (not C)

So, although a bit to aggressive, I'm thinking in uninstalling both P3D4 and P3D5 (why keep both LM simulators? If it was MSFS2020 and P3D it could be but 2 P3D?)

I opened a topic at Prepar3D forum about uninstalling sceneries and airplanes BEFORE UNINSTALLING P3D4 & P3D5. ==> as you can imagine it will give me a lot of work but if it's better...

Questions: 

should it be ok to unplug all my hardware (Saitek combat rudders and Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo) before reinstalling P3D5 or can I just leave them there? => from my point of view it shall make difference

if doing so have I to get software for them (where get them? => sorry for this dumb question but...) and run it before plugging hardware or just plugging them will be right?

Tks once again

[SimWare 730]

3 hours ago, Eduardo Passos said:

Hi, SimWare

I'm having some issues with P3D5 (and have P3D4 too, both installed in separate drives (not C)

So, although a bit to aggressive, I'm thinking in uninstalling both P3D4 and P3D5 (why keep both LM simulators? If it was MSFS2020 and P3D it could be but 2 P3D?)

I opened a topic at Prepar3D forum about uninstalling sceneries and airplanes BEFORE UNINSTALLING P3D4 & P3D5. ==> as you can imagine it will give me a lot of work but if it's better...

Questions: 

should it be ok to unplug all my hardware (Saitek combat rudders and Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo) before reinstalling P3D5 or can I just leave them there? => from my point of view it shall make difference

if doing so have I to get software for them (where get them? => sorry for this dumb question but...) and run it before plugging hardware or just plugging them will be right?

Tks once again

Hello Eduardo,

In theory, leaving everything plugged, should not make a difference, but as you know

it is always when you don't expect it that Murphy's law kicks in.

 

So my recommendations are the following : 
 

- Unplug every controls - Uninstall every related drivers

- Reboot your computer

- Install the simulator

- Start the simulator, load a flight, then close the simulator

- Download the Honeycomb driver from this page : 
  https://www.aerosoft.com/fr/hardware/simulation-de-vol/throttles/2568/honeycomb-bravo-throttle-quadrant?number=AS14515
  (this driver is for both the yoke and the throttle)

   and install it.

- Don't use any driver for the Saitek pedals.
   It is not needed at all. A rudder pedals system is only 3 analog axes assignments.
   No need to add an extra software layer for succh a straightforward device.

- Do carefully calibrate the the controls.

- Go in the simulator controls setup and make/verify all the assignment (axes and buttons)
   so that you know exactly what does what. 

 

Best regards.
    

[Eduardo Passos 14]

Clarify me

When plugging every controls:

1) after installation and before starting simulator?

2) after installation and starting simulator, plugging them with simulator running?

3) after installation, starting and closing simulator?

4) need to plug each control alone, then run and close simulator BEFORE plugging the other or can I plug all 3 (saitek + alpha + bravo) following item 2) above

Really hope this will be my last post here and tks for your immense help

[SimWare 730]

12 hours ago, Eduardo Passos said:

Clarify me

When plugging every controls:

1) after installation and before starting simulator?

2) after installation and starting simulator, plugging them with simulator running?

3) after installation, starting and closing simulator?

4) need to plug each control alone, then run and close simulator BEFORE plugging the other or can I plug all 3 (saitek + alpha + bravo) following item 2) above

Really hope this will be my last post here and tks for your immense help

 

Hi Eduardo,

This is the sequence I suggest : 
 

- NO controls must be plugged in. 
- Install the simulator.

- Start a flight completely.

- Close the simulator.

- Plug ALL the controls in.

- Calibrate them all in the Windows utility.

- Start the simulator.

- Make the assignments in the simulator controls setup screen.

 

Don't hesitate to ask if you have questions or is something is unclear.
Better be safe than sorry.

 

Best regards.

 

[Eduardo Passos 14]

I`m deleting all sceneries and airplanes in both P3D4 & 5 before uninstalling them.

Will make a new installation of P3D5 instructions you just gave me

Tks

 

[SimWare 730]

On 9/7/2021 at 1:38 PM, Eduardo Passos said:

I`m deleting all sceneries and airplanes in both P3D4 & 5 before uninstalling them.

Will make a new installation of P3D5 instructions you just gave me

Tks

 

Hello Eduardo,

 

If you mean the addons, please deleted them using the uninstall utility in Windows.
Don't manually erase files as some entries in the register may remain causing issue during an new install.

 

Best regards.

[Eduardo Passos 14]

Do I need to plug each control separately and calibrate its axis through Windows before plugging the other or can plug all 3 and then calibrate one after the other?

[SimWare 730]

13 hours ago, Eduardo Passos said:

Do I need to plug each control separately and calibrate its axis through Windows before plugging the other or can plug all 3 and then calibrate one after the other?

 

Hi Eduardo,

 

This is up to you.
You can hook them all first, then calibrate them afterwards.

 

I would simply suggest to avoid unplugging them as due to USB potential

reenumerating, the calibration may get lost.

 

Best regards.