re84uk 16 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Hi I've noticed that the CRJ seems to lift off the runway by itself when reaching rotation speed. Is this normal behaviour? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer metzgergva 210 Posted March 17, 2021 Developer Share Posted March 17, 2021 It depends on the trim you have set. if you use the trim as it is shown on the EFB Load Page, you should need a little pull to get the nose up. By default the trim sits at 6 and for the default load it should be 7.1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meowfly 20 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Two flights so far. I’ve always set the trim that the EFB gives me. I also made sure that the CG is fine just using the EFB (and it’s all the way to the right in the FS20 settings), so it’s not that. On both flights the plane lifted its nose on its own way before reaching Vr. vor 15 Minuten, metzgergva sagte: It depends on the trim you have set. if you use the trim as it is shown on the EFB Load Page, you should need a little pull to get the nose up. By default the trim sits at 6 and for the default load it should be 7.1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer metzgergva 210 Posted March 17, 2021 Developer Share Posted March 17, 2021 This is unusual. Did you also send the EFB data to the aircraft so that EFB data and aircraft are synchronized. It may happen that fuel is at a different level or the load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbird1229 6 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I am observing the same behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meowfly 20 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Vor 1 Stunde, metzgergva sagte: This is unusual. Did you also send the EFB data to the aircraft so that EFB data and aircraft are synchronized. It may happen that fuel is at a different level or the load. Yes, I did. I can pretty much rule out doing anything wrong on that front. It’s not significantly different from the P3D version I own in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re84uk 16 Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 Same with me, using EFB data and setting the trim as stated, it basically just takes off by itself without any need to pull back on the stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer metzgergva 210 Posted March 17, 2021 Developer Share Posted March 17, 2021 Please try my recommendation given above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingguitaristsam 36 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I'm experiencing the same and I made sure that the efb load/fuel was sent to the airplane and I used the efb trim setting. I also experienced the plane starting to lift the nose by itself in the flare. I believe this is all a result of MSFS ground effect being very strong as this also explains the very "floaty" behavior of the CRJ and all other larger planes in the sim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingguitaristsam 36 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Propane said: Same observation here. Everything sent by EFB to the plane, trim set correctly, plane will lift the nose by itself. Not an issue in the real plane . Glad it's not just me. I still suspect it's the ground effect x1000 of Msfs haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Parkin 0 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I had an interesting landing at EPWA where the aircraft didn't sit on the nose until < 80kt. MSFS really is broken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingguitaristsam 36 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Paul Parkin said: I had an interesting landing at EPWA where the aircraft didn't sit on the nose until < 80kt. MSFS really is broken Experienced this too^. It's like the planes in msfs are all FBW and it has an auto-flare mode to keep the nose up. I did a test where I let go of the stick at 50 feet last night and the nose increased about 3 degrees around 20 feet which goes against my knowledge of planes where the nose wants to drop as you near the ground so you need to keep inputting nose-up elevator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingguitaristsam 36 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I have a video of this behavior I will share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl-Tõnis Lepp 5 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Maybe the EFB is suggesting too high of a trimmsetting? I’ve been experiencing the same slightly odd behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tksr 14 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 i just managed to pull the CRJ back off the runway at 80kts with ground spoilers deployed and got like 50 feet back in the air lol. i had really high hopes for the CRJ but i might as well be playing ace combat at this point not to knock aerosoft, its by far the best plane on MSFS but the platform just isnt up to provide a decent sim at this point. see ya next year i guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingguitaristsam 36 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingguitaristsam 36 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 In the above video, my hand was not on my stick at any point at all. Notice how it rotates and climbs out without input. This is definitely not how a real CRJ flies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer metzgergva 210 Posted March 17, 2021 Developer Share Posted March 17, 2021 I know it lifts the nose very easily but I see no snapping or anything like that. But I keep the yoke a bit pushed fwd to maintain steering stability and pull back at VR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingguitaristsam 36 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 You shouldn't have to push the yoke forward to prevent the nose from lifting 5+ degrees up on its own though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer metzgergva 210 Posted March 17, 2021 Developer Share Posted March 17, 2021 36 minutes ago, Karl-Tõnis Lepp said: Maybe the EFB is suggesting too high of a trimmsetting? I’ve been experiencing the same slightly odd behaviour. The EFB trim settings are calculated from the CoG and should provide the right trim for V2+20 with gear up and CLB Power. With those a slight pull through the acceleration from VR should be required to get airborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingguitaristsam 36 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Well in the video I posted, I didn't pull at all and it rotated on it's own. I've never flown a CRJ but I HIGHLY doubt that's how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer metzgergva 210 Posted March 17, 2021 Developer Share Posted March 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, flyingguitaristsam said: You shouldn't have to push the yoke forward to prevent the nose from lifting 5+ degrees up on its own though... I suggest to use a trim one unit less for the time and will work on the factors influencing the behavior . May I again kindly ask for your sensitivity settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingguitaristsam 36 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Just now, metzgergva said: I suggest to use a trim one unit less for the time and will work on the factors influencing the behavior . May I again kindly ask for your sensitivity settings. I'm sorry but how do my sensitivity settings affect this if I wasn't even touching my stick at any point in the video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer metzgergva 210 Posted March 17, 2021 Developer Share Posted March 17, 2021 Thank you for your cooperation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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