Popular Post SimFlyHigh787 11 Posted June 18 Popular Post Share Posted June 18 I cannot wait any longer. I simply cannot comprehend how you cannot figure out the VNAV. You've done it countless times before in P3D. Don't give me "The SDK is complicated" excuse. Even sluggish PMDG figured out VNAV in a timely manner. Development time seems to be slower and slower. Flightsim relies on the imminent release of aircraft and/or updates to attract avgeeks. If you make them wait months and months for an aircraft or update, they will lose interest. This includes the likes of FENIX and PMDG. Everyone needs to be faster. Demand is increasing, yet the development time and resources of these companies remain underwhelming. 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptBenY 9 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 37 minutes ago, SimFlyHigh787 said: I cannot wait any longer. I simply cannot comprehend how you cannot figure out the VNAV. You've done it countless times before in P3D. Don't give me "The SDK is complicated" excuse. Even sluggish PMDG figured out VNAV in a timely manner. Development time seems to be slower and slower. Flightsim relies on the imminent release of aircraft and/or updates to attract avgeeks. If you make them wait months and months for an aircraft or update, they will lose interest. This includes the likes of FENIX and PMDG. Everyone needs to be faster. Demand is increasing, yet the development time and resources of these companies remain underwhelming. Yes because ranting on here is going to make projects move faster, if anything it slows it down cause now peoples resources have to be directed towards your comment, and they have to answer it, while they could be developing your plane... I'm sure you'll moan now but even if its released in 12 months, 6 years, or 30 years, you would still buy it none the less... 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles 87 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, SimFlyHigh787 said: I cannot wait any longer. I simply cannot comprehend how you cannot figure out the VNAV. You've done it countless times before in P3D. Don't give me "The SDK is complicated" excuse. Even sluggish PMDG figured out VNAV in a timely manner. Development time seems to be slower and slower. Flightsim relies on the imminent release of aircraft and/or updates to attract avgeeks. If you make them wait months and months for an aircraft or update, they will lose interest. This includes the likes of FENIX and PMDG. Everyone needs to be faster. Demand is increasing, yet the development time and resources of these companies remain underwhelming. I think us as a community get hung up on “release things now-itis.” What I want to start seeing as flight simming becomes more mainstream and more and more developers are jumping into the game are more and more substantial updates on the product. In this day in age I think us as consumers want a peak into how things are developing. I think why there is so much backlash, like in the sound video, is because we hear that the product is wrapping up nicely and historically we do not get these types of videos until right before release. People panicked and thought this is not how it should sound. Start showing these things early, start to show the progression of the build so we can see how things started and where they are at now. I believe Flybywire is doing a good job of this We need to stop begging for a release and start begging for a more open dialogue with the development. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Popular Post BaxterChico 469 Posted June 18 Aerosoft Popular Post Share Posted June 18 Hey friends of the A330, I may now show pictures from the cockpit, and have made here a few for you Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. 45 8 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrik96 97 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 vor einer Stunde schrieb SimFlyHigh787: I cannot wait any longer. I simply cannot comprehend how you cannot figure out the VNAV. You've done it countless times before in P3D. Don't give me "The SDK is complicated" excuse. Even sluggish PMDG figured out VNAV in a timely manner. Development time seems to be slower and slower. Flightsim relies on the imminent release of aircraft and/or updates to attract avgeeks. If you make them wait months and months for an aircraft or update, they will lose interest. This includes the likes of FENIX and PMDG. Everyone needs to be faster. Demand is increasing, yet the development time and resources of these companies remain underwhelming. I can agree that the first half of this year stands for a long waiting period (at least for simmers focusing on Airbus/Boeing). Last year this time the release of the PMDG 737 and the Fenix brought lots of excitement in the community but after that bigger airliner releases are missing. I'm eagerly waiting for the A330 and even more for the PMDG 777. But I could imagine that there are simply not enough developers with knowledge about programming, MSFS and aircrafts to speed things up. And even if the bigger developers hire new people I assume it's the same like in other industries that it takes quite some time until new people are trained in their new working surrounding to finally speed the process up. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahmed2003 110 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 11 minutes ago, BaxterChico said: Hey friends of the A330, I may now show pictures from the cockpit, and have made here a few for you Could you please show us from the captain's seat? 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacey 32 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 On 6/16/2023 at 3:13 PM, BaxterChico said: I would love to hear from you guys what style of pictures you would like to see more of. Do you like more the dramatic part? Or would you rather see the standard pictures? Or maybe you want to see a mix of both? Pilot view in cockpit would be great 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacey 32 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 21 minutes ago, BaxterChico said: Hey friends of the A330, I may now show pictures from the cockpit, and have made here a few for you Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Awesome thanks!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AirbusA380-800 174 Posted June 18 Popular Post Share Posted June 18 vor 1 Stunde schrieb SimFlyHigh787: I cannot wait any longer. I simply cannot comprehend how you cannot figure out the VNAV. You've done it countless times before in P3D. Don't give me "The SDK is complicated" excuse. Even sluggish PMDG figured out VNAV in a timely manner. Development time seems to be slower and slower. Flightsim relies on the imminent release of aircraft and/or updates to attract avgeeks. If you make them wait months and months for an aircraft or update, they will lose interest. This includes the likes of FENIX and PMDG. Everyone needs to be faster. Demand is increasing, yet the development time and resources of these companies remain underwhelming. Yo dude, sounds good and all, but can you show me your code for a fully functioning VNAV you’ve developed for MSFS, that also managed to simulate a correct A333 flight model? Feel free to just post it in the group, I’m sure everyone (the developers included) would really appreciate you sharing this! You’re way too worked up over this. The plane will come, eventually, we know this. At the same time, we’re only now seeing cockpit pics by beta testers of the cockpit, and we still don’t even have a full features list. Aerosoft has communicated countless times that there’s a list of things that simply aren’t ready, and it’s obvious that development is still quite dynamic. They also made clear this was going to be the process going forward when we were told the plane was going into beta. The team working on this plane isn’t massive, as far as I understand - like afaik it’s like less then 10 people (feel free to crucify me if I’m wrong, but I remember it being in that ballpark). Aerosoft is not some multinational that can focus an enormous amount of resources to brute force solutions to their problems. Even if we agree that it sucks that these things aren’t ready, what do you want the developers to do? It’s not ready. Like I feel like you want this plane to come out so bad, that you can’t accept the fact that the plane is simply not ready. It’s that simple. There’s nothing more to it. Why and how do you get angry at this? Just relax, trust the process. 2 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JeremyBoyles 40 Posted June 18 Popular Post Share Posted June 18 3 hours ago, AirbusA380-800 said: Yo dude, sounds good and all, but can you show me your code for a fully functioning VNAV you’ve developed for MSFS, that also managed to simulate a correct A333 flight model? Feel free to just post it in the group, I’m sure everyone (the developers included) would really appreciate you sharing this! You’re way too worked up over this. The plane will come, eventually, we know this. At the same time, we’re only now seeing cockpit pics by beta testers of the cockpit, and we still don’t even have a full features list. Aerosoft has communicated countless times that there’s a list of things that simply aren’t ready, and it’s obvious that development is still quite dynamic. They also made clear this was going to be the process going forward when we were told the plane was going into beta. The team working on this plane isn’t massive, as far as I understand - like afaik it’s like less then 10 people (feel free to crucify me if I’m wrong, but I remember it being in that ballpark). Aerosoft is not some multinational that can focus an enormous amount of resources to brute force solutions to their problems. Even if we agree that it sucks that these things aren’t ready, what do you want the developers to do? It’s not ready. Like I feel like you want this plane to come out so bad, that you can’t accept the fact that the plane is simply not ready. It’s that simple. There’s nothing more to it. Why and how do you get angry at this? Just relax, trust the process. To be honest, trusting the process? It was supposed to be released last winter. And we are in Q2 of 2023 and Q3 is not far away. They haven't given us any in sight on the VNAV problems. I think people are getting eager or annoyed because it was set to be released in Q4 2022 and the A330 has just been getting delayed and delayed and delayed. You can only post so many screenshots before people want the actual plane. I am very excited about the A330 but I do understand why people are becoming upset. At the end of the day, they are a company, not 10 people doing this in their free time. 1 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 3 hours ago, SimFlyHigh787 said: I cannot wait any longer. I simply cannot comprehend how you cannot figure out the VNAV. You've done it countless times before in P3D. Don't give me "The SDK is complicated" excuse. Even sluggish PMDG figured out VNAV in a timely manner. Development time seems to be slower and slower. Flightsim relies on the imminent release of aircraft and/or updates to attract avgeeks. If you make them wait months and months for an aircraft or update, they will lose interest. This includes the likes of FENIX and PMDG. Everyone needs to be faster. Demand is increasing, yet the development time and resources of these companies remain underwhelming. Even if they did lose interest in it they would most likely come back to it and buy it once released. Unless maybe another better A330 is released before the AS variant which is highly unlikely at the moment. Not trying to be rude but that’s how it is in the flightsim community right now, they’ll cry and whine but once it’s out they realize it was worth waiting a bit longer for a fully finished product. I’d like for it to be released asap too just like everyone else but I can wait some more for it to be finished to the extent AS wants it for release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff McCord Soule 66 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, AirbusA380-800 said: Yo dude, sounds good and all, but can you show me your code for a fully functioning VNAV you’ve developed for MSFS, that also managed to simulate a correct A333 flight model? Feel free to just post it in the group, I’m sure everyone (the developers included) would really appreciate you sharing this! You’re way too worked up over this. The plane will come, eventually, we know this. At the same time, we’re only now seeing cockpit pics by beta testers of the cockpit, and we still don’t even have a full features list. Aerosoft has communicated countless times that there’s a list of things that simply aren’t ready, and it’s obvious that development is still quite dynamic. They also made clear this was going to be the process going forward when we were told the plane was going into beta. The team working on this plane isn’t massive, as far as I understand - like afaik it’s like less then 10 people (feel free to crucify me if I’m wrong, but I remember it being in that ballpark). Aerosoft is not some multinational that can focus an enormous amount of resources to brute force solutions to their problems. Even if we agree that it sucks that these things aren’t ready, what do you want the developers to do? It’s not ready. Like I feel like you want this plane to come out so bad, that you can’t accept the fact that the plane is simply not ready. It’s that simple. There’s nothing more to it. Why and how do you get angry at this? Just relax, trust the process. Love that you get so upset at customers wanting a product and getting tired of the same ol' rigamarole. Sure, no one is blaming the devs, clearly they still have a lot to work on... but as a customer, it does get tiring waiting, then speculating, then hearing things are "expected" to launch, then waiting... and 6 months later we're still here (looking at you EFB at PMDG) and you A330. We are ready to fly a new airliner which are few and far between in MSFS 2020. So sue us. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahmed2003 110 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 4 hours ago, SimFlyHigh787 said: I cannot wait any longer. I simply cannot comprehend how you cannot figure out the VNAV. You've done it countless times before in P3D. Don't give me "The SDK is complicated" excuse. Even sluggish PMDG figured out VNAV in a timely manner. Development time seems to be slower and slower. Flightsim relies on the imminent release of aircraft and/or updates to attract avgeeks. If you make them wait months and months for an aircraft or update, they will lose interest. This includes the likes of FENIX and PMDG. Everyone needs to be faster. Demand is increasing, yet the development time and resources of these companies remain underwhelming. It's not as you believe about it, in fact I don't care about time, I said this couple of times no matter how much time aerosoft did take or will take what is really crucial is a complete product which fulfil aerosoft's vision on there aircraft. I agree that timing could be a problem to some people but I bet that those people who have this kind of issue no matters for them to fly captain sim or any aircraft even a flying donut doesn't matter. What I really need is an aircraft complies with real systems and if it simulate failures that would be ideal so that I could use it for learning and it could be used for type ratings however, as in aerosoft case they will simulate the normal operations but failures not included that's okay for me because I'm not a pilot looking for type rated just I want to fly the a330 in normal operation as real pilots do in real life. I completed the aircraft cbt and I'm looking forward for flying it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirbusA380-800 174 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 vor 12 Minuten schrieb Jeff McCord Soule: Love that you get so upset at customers wanting a product and getting tired of the same ol' rigamarole. Sure, no one is blaming the devs, clearly they still have a lot to work on... but as a customer, it does get tiring waiting, then speculating, then hearing things are "expected" to launch, then waiting... and 6 months later we're still here (looking at you EFB at PMDG) and you A330. We are ready to fly a new airliner which are few and far between in MSFS 2020. So sue us. Just promise me you’ll touch some grass today, ok bud 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp_air 401 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 you must already be satisfied with the photos provided if he authorizes the beta testers to share photos it is that the work on the cockpit is finished so it is approaching... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrik96 97 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 I'd wait until they post pictures with the actual displays in it...tuning fonts etc seems to be one of the last tasks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nurol Kurt 6 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 i have hopes that they are going to release the plane on SimExpo 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flieger1978 33 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 vor 28 Minuten schrieb Nurol Kurt: i have hopes that they are going to release the plane on SimExpo Who cares. They release when they release. Some developer takes more time. The questions for the release dates are making it more and more toxic. Lean back, relax and enjoy the beautiful summer weather. The A330 will come. But the release- date will not be earlier the more you and the others ask. 3 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyBoyles 40 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 8 minutes ago, flieger1978 said: Who cares. They release when they release. Some developer takes more time. The questions for the release dates are making the it more and more toxic. Lean back, relax and enjoy the beautiful summer weather. The A330 will come. But the release- date will not be earlier the more you and the others ask. It's not toxic at all. As customers, we have to right to ask those questions and companies should be able to deal with questions like that in the most professional way possible. And they are. 2 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flieger1978 33 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 vor 5 Minuten schrieb JeremyBoyles: It's not toxic at all. As customers, we have to right to ask those questions and companies should be able to deal with questions like that in the most professional way possible. And they are. I don’t think so. Look, if you wait for something you want to buy, are you writing everyday an email to the seller or supplier - NO. So , as a costumer you have to wait for the product you want. Aerosoft is not accountable to any of us - but this do some people here think. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belisar 126 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 I find Aerosoft to be one of the more transparent when it comes to development previews. They will release when they decide it is the right time and they don't have blocking issues identified. It would be unfair for the developers to work with a hard deadline over their heads. I appreciate that most of the developers don't give out release dates until they are very close to it, and let their teams do what they do best, and focus on building the product. I am very excited and look forward to the A330. The screenshots so far look great. Texturing on the cockpit had a great balance of wear and tear, and it had it in the right places. I believe systems simulation will be the typical routine flight operations Aerosoft is great at modeling. It releases when it releases, we can ask questions about features that will be implemented and so on to learn more about the product, but I would hold back from continuously asking about release dates. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Olivier BERNARD 4 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Personally I solved my problem of waiting for the A330... I consumed all my birthday budget in addons! Now my next purchase will be for Christmas. And it will be A330 or B777, if one of the 2 comes out one day! To wait, we have the Fenix, the 737 and the Headwind A330 which is not that bad. I would say it must be to Aerosoft what the A32nx is to Fenix. And with the announcements that Headwind has just made, it may even be a serious competitor! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirbusA380-800 174 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 vor 2 Stunden schrieb JeremyBoyles: It's not toxic at all. As customers, we have to right to ask those questions and companies should be able to deal with questions like that in the most professional way possible. And they are. You literally have no rights, what are you talking about? This is a preview forum for a product not yet available for purchase. No one owes you anything until they (aerosoft) market their product, create expectations and you purchase their product. Anything Aerosoft chooses to share up until that point is completely within their discretion. Beyond what they’ve been already doing we have no legitimate expectation for more. Yours is a very abrasive and arrogant stance to take towards fellow passionate enthusiasts developing a product we all want. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovemberTangoJuliet 69 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 7 hours ago, BaxterChico said: Hey friends of the A330, I may now show pictures from the cockpit, and have made here a few for you Thank you for these. Can you show us some screenshots of the displays and of the whole flightdeck? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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