scn_spotter 1 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Hello, as you might know, in a few weeks, finally, Berlin Brandenburg Airport aka. BER will be starting its operations. The Aerosoft Schonefeld scenery already includes most of the new terminals and aprons. However, some further changes, such as constructing new aprons or buildings, were made after the scenery was released few years ago. Right now, for the BER opening on 31st October, are you going to release any updates, finishing the final airport structures in the outdated scenery, or did you plan to manage it for the future? Thanks in advance! Kind regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted October 6, 2020 Aerosoft Share Posted October 6, 2020 At this moment no such plans. Let's see if they will indeed open the airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndB 4 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Mathijs, i don´t understand how you could even have little doubt, if it´s opens...tz.tz.. But anyway, an actual "revison" would be very appreciated for BER for P3D. As i have seen there will be an updated version for MSFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted October 14, 2020 Aerosoft Share Posted October 14, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Farrington 5 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 All i can say not much has changed at BER just some new taxiways and some new remote stands 25L/07R opens on the 4th off November Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco79stu 38 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 I actually just bought the product (thanks for the promo) and I'm also curious if this will get an update. It feels a little "under construction" tbh. The airport certainly must have changed quite a bit by now (is there really still a big "AirBerlin logo on that building in the west?) as they were working constantly on this disaster. It certainly would be very nice to have this updated in celebration of the grand opening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs masterhawk 799 Posted October 31, 2020 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted October 31, 2020 10 hours ago, disco79stu said: I actually just bought the product (thanks for the promo) and I'm also curious if this will get an update. It feels a little "under construction" tbh. The airport certainly must have changed quite a bit by now (is there really still a big "AirBerlin logo on that building in the west?) as they were working constantly on this disaster. It certainly would be very nice to have this updated in celebration of the grand opening There won’t be an update. Is mentioned in the linked MSFS topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srcooke 422 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 A scenery that has never depicted the true airport layout of Brandenburg, perhaps the product should have been titled Berlin Schönefeld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco79stu 38 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 vor 40 Minuten, masterhawk sagte: There won’t be an update. Is mentioned in the linked MSFS topic. oh, I see. Sorry, didn‘t check because I don‘t own MSFS so I didn‘t expect a statement about P3D in a MSFS thread. I know this doesn’t matter to you but I have to say right now I feel a tiny bit disappointed. The promomotion is certainly linked to the real opening event, so I assumed it reflects the current airport or is an updated version. It maybe should have pointed out that this is a dated version that does not represent the current status of the opening airport. My fault I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krielkip 7 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 I bought it also and assumed that it was up to date. In my opinion we are mislead by not mentioning that the airport is out of date and is not going to be updated.. It does not appear in the Aerosoft updater too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs masterhawk 799 Posted October 31, 2020 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, krielkip said: I bought it also and assumed that it was up to date. In my opinion we are mislead by not mentioning that the airport is out of date and is not going to be updated.. It does not appear in the Aerosoft updater too! The addon is from 2014...6 years old. Addons always represent the state of release. Then only bugfixing if required. Anything on top is not promised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco79stu 38 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Then the promo should have said „Goodbye TXL. Welcome 6-year-old BER“. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted October 31, 2020 Aerosoft Share Posted October 31, 2020 4 hours ago, krielkip said: I bought it also and assumed that it was up to date. In my opinion we are mislead by not mentioning that the airport is out of date and is not going to be updated.. It does not appear in the Aerosoft updater too! Can you point me to ANY add-on that promise top be kept up to date after it was released? The simply fact is that margins on these products is such that bugs are solved when possible but keeping it up to date over many years would simply mean a price that is seriously more serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Street 2 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Glad I've searched for the status of the airport's up-to-date situation... I was just opening the webpage to buy it, and I'm seriously reconsidering in buying it or not. The disappointment towards Aerosoft is each time bigger... Mathijs, "margins on these products is such that bugs are solved when possible but keeping it up to date over many years would simply mean a price that is seriously more serious" ? That's not a thing you say, it shows how little your company is interested in satisfying the needs of us, the flight simmers, the main source of your revenues. Luckily, other companies will be interested in Brandenburg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Marius Ellenbürger 194 Posted November 2, 2020 Administrator Share Posted November 2, 2020 You can find hundreds of Aerosoft published and developed products in the Aerosoft store. It is simply not possible to update every single add-on / product in case of changes. If so, customers have to expect much higher prices to be break even.... and why? Here an example for Berlin-Brandenburg: LimeSim and Aerosoft have to update Mega Airport Berlin Brandenburg professional for P3DV4/V5 29Palms, Normann and Aerosoft have to update Mega Airport Berlin-Brandenburg for FSX/FSX:SE/P3DV2 and V3 29Palms, LimeSim, Stairport Sceneries and Aerosoft have to update Airport Berlin-Brandenburg XP for XPlane 11. Furthermore a Microsoft Flight Simulator version is currently in development. Now do it with hundreds of add-ons. I think the problem is obvious. Greetings, Marius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco79stu 38 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 That is certainly true, and there are a lot of out of date products out there. Of course there are. And I wouldn't expect Aerosoft to keep an add on up to date or provide constant updates over several years. I have a company too, and I get that customer service and product support can only go so far. Even if it means to make some customers unhappy. But taking a notable industry event and creating a huge ad-banner to sell a 6 year old product that is knowingly in part outdated is a bit questionable in my personal opinion. I just can't shake the feeling that I fell for it. At least, for me as a customer the ad was misleading. Sure, in the end it is on me, maybe I should have checked the up-to-dateness of the product before. And maybe you can call it a successful ad-campaign on your end, seen from a business side. But the money is not the issue here. I just wasn't expecting AS to advertise a 6 year old product like this. BR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duartevieira 0 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 8 hours ago, Marius Ellenbürger said: You can find hundreds of Aerosoft published and developed products in the Aerosoft store. It is simply not possible to update every single add-on / product in case of changes. If so, customers have to expect much higher prices to be break even.... and why? Here an example for Berlin-Brandenburg: LimeSim and Aerosoft have to update Mega Airport Berlin Brandenburg professional for P3DV4/V5 29Palms, Normann and Aerosoft have to update Mega Airport Berlin-Brandenburg for FSX/FSX:SE/P3DV2 and V3 29Palms, LimeSim, Stairport Sceneries and Aerosoft have to update Airport Berlin-Brandenburg XP for XPlane 11. Furthermore a Microsoft Flight Simulator version is currently in development. Now do it with hundreds of add-ons. I think the problem is obvious. Greetings, Marius The question is why you still supporting dead platforms like the 32 bit if you a d others don’t stop supporting them then the sims will not evolve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Marius Ellenbürger 194 Posted November 3, 2020 Administrator Share Posted November 3, 2020 vor 9 Stunden , duartevieira sagte: The question is why you still supporting dead platforms like the 32 bit if you a d others don’t stop supporting them then the sims will not evolve We have answered this question quite often. We love every simulator and just because of a new Simulator on the market, we don´t stop to give our customers the chance to upgrade their FSX or FS2004 with add-ons. Furthermore I can guarantee you that this platform is not "dead". You would be surprised how many customers still use the FSX and FS9. Of course not many FSX add-ons have been developed in the last two years, but that does not make a platform to a dead one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingtost 1 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I think that’s really a bit of a pitty & quite misleading advertising! However if Aerosoft is so concerned about money vs effort (in a time, where sales are probably on record highs, just assuming) you guys should at least consider a payed upgrade for a reasonable fee. Especially where you have all the required data on hand! (MSFS2020 VERSION) cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budy93 1 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 One Bug I found is next to the wrong ILS Frequenz in P3Dv4 is also that B14 and B15 are combined to B14 see Picture so you can't use B15 with gsx Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannes Altmann 1 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Really interesting topic here! I wrote with 29 Palms about one year ago if there are any plans on updating EDDB. The developer said, that they are currently not working on an update, it is planned to bring out an update with the real opening of the new airport. As I am now reading from Aerosoft that it is not planned to update the addon, I am asking if there is a misunderstanding between the developer and the publisher? If no, I don't understand the reason for the change of mind... Source: https://www.29palms-forum.de/post/eddb-update-10271846 (The answer is in German but since I explained the content of the discussion before, I think it should be clear what the developer said) Also, I never quite understood why the X-Plane 11 EDDB version is more up-to-date compared to the P3D Version, even though a professional version was released with P3Dv5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs mopperle 4162 Posted November 3, 2020 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted November 3, 2020 And did you also contact LimeSim as Sascha mentioned? He is not the developer of EBBR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Marius Ellenbürger 194 Posted November 3, 2020 Administrator Share Posted November 3, 2020 vor 14 Minuten, Hannes Altmann sagte: X-Plane 11 EDDB version is more up-to-date compared to the P3D Version, even though a professional version was released with P3Dv5. Because it is still the same add-on, only that the add-on has been updated to make it compatible with V5. vor 15 Minuten, Hannes Altmann sagte: As I am now reading from Aerosoft that it is not planned to update the addon 30 min ago the product Mega Airport Berlin-Brandenburg professional received an update. I don´t have the changes here, but should be on the product website soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs masterhawk 799 Posted November 3, 2020 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted November 3, 2020 29 minutes ago, Hannes Altmann said: I wrote with 29 Palms about one year ago if there are any plans on updating EDDB. The developer said, that they are currently not working on an update, it is planned to bring out an update with the real opening of the new airport. As I am now reading from Aerosoft that it is not planned to update the addon, I am asking if there is a misunderstanding between the developer and the publisher? If no, I don't understand the reason for the change of mind... What happened between then and now is obvious: MSFS. So the priority of the developer just changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marks022 1 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Hi! Oliver has published an fix; that fix we will get via the AS-Updater. But in the updater the BER-scenery doesn't appear. Can anybody help? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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