Meyerflyer

"Speed brake still out" way before reaching target speed

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Hello,

 

I'm in the descent and need to lower the speed let's say from 320kt to 250kt. As I descend at a high rate, I need to deploy the speed brakes manually to help decreasing the speed to target.

 

But the speed brake still out message with according "DING" sound comes up way before the target speed is reached. Mostly at about 20-30kt before target speed, so in this case already at 270-280kt. Is that as designed? I would expect, that the message and DING sound only come up, when the exact target speed is reached to avoid higher fuel burn when the engines start to spool up to compensate the higher drag. I see no reason to show the message 30kt before reaching the selected speed. When I disarm the speed brakes when the message comes up, I am not able to reduce the speed and stay at the unwished higher speed. This cannot be intended.

 

This happens with the professional Bus but also with the old one, so no new issue here.

 

Does anyone have the same behaviour?

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Mhm I can't confirm it's only since the latest update. I've had this for years. Probably it's a basic logic error in the coding that even survived the update from extended to professional bus. But thanks for confirming it.

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I've been asking the same question, including pictures and videos, and I'm still waiting for a solution or why since the first day the airbrake does not act, when it should do so below 10000 feet, configuration option in the FMC.

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16 minutes ago, Meyerflyer said:

Mhm I can't confirm it's only since the latest update. I've had this for years. Probrably it's a basic logic error in the coding. But thanks for confirming it. 

To me in the previous version of the Airbus if I worked, the airbrake, option that was configured in the FMC 2, I now that option in the FMC 3 putting the same, it turns out that from the first day does not act.

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Okay, if I rethink it, I'm not 100% sure it happened with the extended bus, but I'm sure it's at least been an issue with the professional from day one.

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Does this happen only with a specific modell? I experienced this only when the spoiler was still deployed while it should have been retracted.

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I couldn't swear, but I'm pretty sure it happens with every model. I'm flying a "wild" mix of A319, A320 and A321 and it happens for me everytime I use the speed brakes to help reducing the speed.

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As your very well exposed, I happened from the first day that came out the A318-319 I thought that with the A320-321 would be solved or opened realized that, but it did not happen so, wait for each update, but not to fix it, in a recent entry by my PA RTE, I think remember  "another BUG in FMC " If I'm not mistaken, I exposed that bug, with images of both the FMC 3 as the image of the Tutorial 6 on the corresponding Pag, which indicates how to configure the autobrakes below 10000 feet, some felt bad that , but they said I was the only one, but it turns out it's not like that.

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4 hours ago, Meyerflyer said:

I couldn't swear, but I'm pretty sure it happens with every model. I'm flying a "wild" mix of A319, A320 and A321 and it happens for me everytime I use the speed brakes to help reducing the speed.

 

This has been present since the FSX/P3D version.  It's been a lower priority than some other issues, and we are currently looking at a few things which might cause this.

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Miguel_V said:

FMC 3 as the image of the Tutorial 6 on the corresponding Pag, which indicates how to configure the autobrakes below 10000 feet, some felt bad that , but they said I was the only one, but it turns out it's not like that.

 

Hello my friend!

 

This isn't an Autobrake issue, it's a Speed Brake signal related issue.  If you've having a Autobrake issue (we're not aware of any), would you please open another thread?

 

Also... there is no FMC3 in the Airbus.  In fact, there is not FMC at all.  I'm a former Boeing guy, so I understand how this gets mixed up and I created a short post (below) to help Boeing guys become familiar with the different terms as using the correct terms is important when searching documentation for answers.

 

Always nice to hear from you, and my very best wishes!

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, DaveCT2003 said:

 

Hello my friend!

 

This isn't an Autobrake issue, it's a Speed Brake signal related issue.  If you've having a Autobrake issue (we're not aware of any), would you please open another thread?

 

Also... there is no FMC3 in the Airbus.  In fact, there is not FMC at all.  I'm a former Boeing guy, so I understand how this gets mixed up and I created a short post (below) to help Boeing guys become familiar with the different terms as using the correct terms is important when searching documentation for answers.

 

Always nice to hear from you, and my very best wishes!

 

 

 

 

 

Dave....

I will not open another, because I had an open, and I closed it, this specifically.... the airbrakes do not act below 1000 feet reducing the speed to 250 knots.


https://forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?/topic/141583-¿another-bug-in-mcdu/

 

Your answer I think has nothing to do with what I have exposed.

 

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2 minutes ago, Miguel_V said:

Dave....

I will not open another, because I had an open, and I closed it, this specifically.... the airbrakes do not act below 1000 feet reducing the speed to 250 knots.


https://forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?/topic/141583-¿another-bug-in-mcdu/

 

 

 

 

Ah, I understand.  Thanks for explaining it further.

 

The problem you are describing is not with the part of the software which controls speed or Speed Brakes, but rather with connecting the A318-A321 Copilot to intervene.  In fact, as you may know, the Approach Speed Limiter only works if the Copilot function is enabled.

 

Anyway, it's a separate issue and one that Hanse will be working on.  I thank you very much for your patience my friend.

 

My very best wishes to you!

 

 

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vor 12 Stunden , DaveCT2003 sagte:

 

This has been present since the FSX/P3D version.  It's been a lower priority than some other issues, and we are currently looking at a few things which might cause this.

 

 

 

Great, thank you. So the issue I reported is a known issue, correct?

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From what I am seeing, the "Speed Brake Still Out" message appears if the spoilers are deployed AND the thrust is above idle. If the thrust is reduced to idle, either manually or through an action of the computer, the message disappears again. This would seem to be correct, as you would be using the spoilers to slow down and/or descend as rapidly as possible, and would not want to negate the speed brakes' effect by adding power.

 

I have seen the computer adding power in managed mode when it really should be holding at idle. This is probably related to the ongoing issue with managed descents and vertical profiles.

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15 hours ago, DaveCT2003 said:

 

 

Ah, I understand.  Thanks for explaining it further.

 

The problem you are describing is not with the part of the software which controls speed or Speed Brakes, but rather with connecting the A318-A321 Copilot to intervene.  In fact, as you may know, the Approach Speed Limiter only works if the Copilot function is enabled.

 

Anyway, it's a separate issue and one that Hanse will be working on.  I thank you very much for your patience my friend.

 

My very best wishes to you!

 

 

DAVE.....

If you read the thread well (the LINK), from the beginning, you'll be reading that always flying with copilot activated...... from the first day, with this professional version and the previous one.

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It happened in the extended version as well. This has to be one of the most annoying features of this product. No I mean it is the most single annoying feature of this product (and not realistic at all) and the update that fixes it will be heaven sent! I am glad your working on. Hopefully it will be fixed.

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1 hour ago, Miguel_V said:

DAVE.....

If you read the thread well (the LINK), from the beginning, you'll be reading that always flying with copilot activated...... from the first day, with this professional version and the previous one. 

 

Really Miguel?  Hmm, so all my extremely polite posts to you, and you reply with that?  Very nice.

 

I read at least a hundred threads a day, for a LOT of different products, research them if I don't know the answer off the top of my head, and respond directly to many of them.  I think I do a pretty good job, especially remembering the entire thread for most of them.

 

You my friend, are a very special person.

 

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Dave and all People of Aerosoft…..

I understand your situation, you have to read many a day, and answer in your case, if you can do it at the moment, so I want you to understand, I did not mean to "kick your back", nor do you have to memorize the thousands of threads....

You do a good job, but I prefer that when you put a product for sale, previously look for all the hits that may arise, they call it  "Quality Control "

By the way  "Happy holidays to all "

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Miguel, what exactly is your point? Telling the 100th time that you have found a bug? Wanting to hear the 100th time that it will be worked on?

 

In all politeness, at a certain point it is time to stop and wait for the solution. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Tom A320 said:

Miguel, what exactly is your point? Telling the 100th time that you have found a bug? Wanting to hear the 100th time that it will be worked on?

 

In all politeness, at a certain point it is time to stop and wait for the solution. 

 

 

True!  Plus, highjacking threads is considered to be extremely impolite and it disorganizes things for those who might later search for answers in the forum.

 

 

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