Tobus 161 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Hi, I have installed the newest installer and hotfixes of the crj. Upon setting ac states with Dave, i cant get engines to start from cold n dark. Top line "configuring aircraft, please wait" does not disappear. How to solve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mseder 11 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Hi I can't start Engines with states Cold Dark, Turnaround or Ready for engine start. Clicking the start button, nothings happen. Only ready for taxi makes it work Panel State - Throttles in ELE - Pumps on - ISOL Valve open - Hydralics AUTO - Batt master & DC Service ON - APU On and APU Gen on OR GndPWR connected and "In Use" Version 1.2.2.3 (Had an really old version before and then I never had this problem.) Mats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mseder 11 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Ctrl + E Works though I'll do everything up to the click on the start button and then I choose Ctrl+E instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mseder 11 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Still no answer from anyone. Not being able to start the engines do not seems like a detail !? Mats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoffie3000 96 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 First of all the question have you the actual Version 1.2.3.0 installed? Let ISOL Valv closed See at the picture the right thrust lever is in idle position after engine start, left thrust lever is before engine start. To start first move the red lever under the left thrust lever to unlock the thrust lever then move the thrust lever in idle position. Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce R 5 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I also had this frustration - until I re-read the manual. It says somewhere to load a default aircraft first with engines running, then load the CRJ. At that point you can set your aircraft state via Dave. I haven't had a problem since. Hoffie, I see you're a glider pilot. It's a great sport. That was something I did in my previous life. I flew for the Otago Gliding Club here in New Zealand for quite a few years. I was the CFI for a while until I moved location because of my job. Have got a 1000 hours in my log book. Unfortunately the club folded up back in the mid 80's and I haven't done any gliding since. Cheers Bruce R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEK_the_Reaper 233 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 vor 9 Stunden , mseder sagte: Still no answer from anyone. Not being able to start the engines do not seems like a detail !? Mats Hello Mats, I think you don't get any answers because there is no known issue with the eng start. Those that reported such things had mostly missconfigured panel states. Since this issue is bothering you nearly half a year now, I could take a look at your starting procedure via TeamViewer if you like. Otherwise I realy suggest you to go through the tutorial flight step by step (careful..the last time I did it there were some minor steps that didn't had the explained results, the aircraft did work though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer Hans Hartmann 3694 Posted May 17, 2019 Developer Share Posted May 17, 2019 I'm sorry, I probably saw this thread, but had no explanation about what's going on and then forgot to respond. Anyway, I can make the same offer as GEK and take a look into the engine startup process via Teamviewer to find out if there's any problem. If there is, it's most likely related to the loaded scenario. As a start, you could try out my startup scenario: AC11 EDDM 08R.zip Just unzip it into Documents\Prepar3D v4 Files and load it into P3D. After that, load the CRJ and try if starting the engines by changing the aircraft state works or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEK_the_Reaper 233 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 @Hans Hartmann @mseder said he has having the issue only after updating the CRJ from a "realy old version". If you remember there was something wrong with the start logic in earlyer version: engines would start regardless of APU or GP state. You have corrected this issues and the logic works now correct (or as axpected). I suppose @mseder did constantly something wrong in the preparation for engine start but due to the wrong logic, they always worked. So I expect something in the BLEED air source....and if I'm not mistaken it could be the ISOL Valve to the OPEN state when the source is BOTH ENGINES. With ISOL VALVE OPEN the source must be set to APU With ISOL VALVE CLSD the source can be whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mseder 11 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Sorry I was about to give up this so I'm glad to see this response. I uploaded my panels just before I'm clicking on the Right Engine Start button (nothing happens) What's wrong? Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEK_the_Reaper 233 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 vor 3 Stunden , mseder sagte: I uploaded my panels just before I'm clicking on the Right Engine Start button (nothing happens) You again have ISOL VALVE at OPEN and source set to BOTH ENG Did you not read this? On 17.5.2019 at 09:54, GEK_the_Reaper sagte: With ISOL VALVE OPEN the source must be set to APU With ISOL VALVE CLSD the source can be whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEK_the_Reaper 233 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 And you also have to wait for N2 to increase up to 20% before injecting the fuel... In your screenshots N2 is at 0% and you already moved ENG 2 red lever and the throttle up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mseder 11 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 No change Please login to display this image. Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mseder 11 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Setting the state to "Ready for engine start" doesn't help. "Ready for taxi" starts the engines and so does Ctrl-E. On 5/17/2019 at 8:52 AM, Hans Hartmann said: Just unzip it into Documents\Prepar3D v4 Files and load it into P3D. After that, load the CRJ and try if starting the engines by changing the aircraft state works or not. Thank's but I'm running FSX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mseder 11 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 On 5/17/2019 at 5:29 AM, Bruce R said: also had this frustration - until I re-read the manual. It says somewhere to load a default aircraft first with engines running, then load the CRJ. At that point you can set your aircraft state via Dave. I haven't had a problem since. That seems to work, but then the configs are "leaking" from one flight to another, who want such dependencies? And in that case, what's the point having selectable aircraftstates? Mats On 5/17/2019 at 8:52 AM, Hans Hartmann said: If there is, it's most likely related to the loaded scenario. And Hans, yes that seems to be the case. E.g. loading a previous CRJ flight where the aircraft was closed down just returns trash, nothing seem to be remembered. So that leaves you with only one reasonable option, that is to use the aircraft states, which then doesn't seem to work either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mseder 11 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 - Isol. valve open + source CHECKED, NOT THE ISSUE - "wait for N2 to increase up to 20% before injecting the fuel" CHECKED, NOT THE ISSUE - Ending the previous flight with engines running CHECKED - WORKING BUT NOT A SOLUTION, RATHER A BUG Comments like "I think you don't get any answers because there is no known issue with the eng start" seems more like a cheap escape I must say.There is obviously a problem with panel states + aircraft states, but I did not introduce it. I guess I'm back to square one, can't start the aircraft! Mats Sederholm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer Hans Hartmann 3694 Posted June 28, 2019 Developer Share Posted June 28, 2019 vor 19 Stunden , mseder sagte: - Ending the previous flight with engines running CHECKED - WORKING BUT NOT A SOLUTION, RATHER A BUG Do you run into this problem when you make your second flight in a row? Or always? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mseder 11 Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Hi Hans I always load an existing flight and then I always run into these problems. I have several CRJ flights that I load and none of them seems to work. I made this test right now, it includes a various combinations of starting and states All the scenarios are done one after another with no interruptions Scenario 1 ---------------- - Start a new flight, selecting the aircraft in the FSX menu, flight starts with engines running. - I set the aircraftstate "turnaround". - Setting up fuel pumps etc - Starting engines works! - Closing the engines (that's all) - Saving the flight Scenario 2 ---------------- - Restart FSX - Loading the flight - Most of the previous settings are lost, so I again set aircraftstate to "turnaround" - Setting up fuel pumps etc - Starting engines NOT working Scenario 3 ---------------- - End flight, create new flight selecting an CRJ aircraft (another livery) - I set the aircraftstate "turnaround". - Setting up fuel pumps etc - Starting engines NOT working Scenario 4 ---------------- - I set the aircraftstate "ready for taxi". - Engines starting - Saving the flight - Loading the flight, engines are running, closing engines - I set the aircraftstate "turnaround". - Setting up fuel pumps etc - Starting engines works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer Hans Hartmann 3694 Posted June 28, 2019 Developer Share Posted June 28, 2019 Thanks for the write-up. I'll give it a try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer Hans Hartmann 3694 Posted July 1, 2019 Developer Share Posted July 1, 2019 I think I solved this one. Will be available with the next update. The reason lay within loading the flight, not the engine startup itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mseder 11 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Sounds fantastic. Thanks Mats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mseder 11 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 On 7/1/2019 at 6:00 PM, Hans Hartmann said: I think I solved this one. Will be available with the next update. The reason lay within loading the flight, not the engine startup itself. Any date for his Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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