PBY Catalina, your chance to request liveries

[Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558]

Gentlemen, this weekend I need to define the list of liveries that will be included with the Catalina product and I am giving you the opportunity to send in your wishes for that. We are including these models: PBY-4, PBY-5 and PBY-5A

PBY-4

PBY-5

PBY-5A

If you suggest a livery it needs to suit these models to a large degree. There are over 500 variations known, so some artistic freedom should be taken into account and we are able to do some minor remodeling. We also need GOOD info on the exact type and access to usable images (so also from below and above).

Please note that although we will add some historical models, our main focus is on models that are currently still flying, MS FSX is a simulator totally set in this era, not a historical simulator. So we will include only limited historical content.

[ChrisB 11]

oooh... Cousteau of course! Black cats too...

Send paintkit, will add paint...

Here's a couple of existing (OK, sometimes in the museum) PBYs

Calypso

http://img.yessy.com/1896735308-4153b.jpg

Museum

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1247802/L/

Black Cat

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1211699/L/

Greenpeace

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1222336/L/

Buffalo Air

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0993262/L/

Athenian

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1002193/L/

[Malloy 1]

Cousteau, of course! 15 other voted as well!

and the New Zealand one!

Please!

[Guest Dag]

Hmmm, never seen the models from that angle before.

Sorry for being a complete arse but I think you need to look at the nacelles (too fat and stubby, should be longer), nose shaping (the tip should stand higher) and the aft fuselage is too long and thin. The cockpit glazing/shape of the greenhouse is off as well.

Thanks and shoot back!

[ManuelL 71]

Cousteau's Calypso looks very nice of course. It was a model 6A. I am not sure how different that is from the 5A. However, some might regard it as critical as the Calypso crashed 1979 and Cousteau's son was killed in the accident.

I think these New Zeanland Catalinas look nice:

http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/catalina.html

http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/Air...eAir/index.html

A lot of photos can also be found here:

http://www.catalina.org.uk/

http://www.pby.com/

[Daniel Roethlisberger 0]

I'd like to see these two liveries in the Catalina product:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0814200&size=L

and

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0140110&size=L

[ChrisB 11]

Cousteau's Calypso looks very nice of course. It was a model 6A. I am not sure how different that is from the 5A. However, some might regard it as critical as the Calypso crashed 1979 and Cousteau's son was killed in the accident.

I think these New Zeanland Catalinas look nice:

http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/catalina.html

http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/Air...eAir/index.html

A lot of photos can also be found here:

http://www.catalina.org.uk/

http://www.pby.com/

I agree - photos and googles do favour the 6a, but the shape of the nose and of the tail is slightly "off" - enough to allow a 5a to fake it - this was discussed here:

http://www.forum.aerosoft.com/viewtopic.ph...59da1d55e30c19c

If you scroll down that page, I do offer a fair amount of references - and one, especially, casts enough doubt on the whole story - the FAA (and they ought to know) describe N101CS (Cousteau's PBY) thus: (Note the reg is now on a Beech... appropriate for a beached Cat :wink: )

FAA Registry

N-Number Inquiry Results

N101CS has multiple records

Aircraft Description

Serial Number BC-41 Type Registration Corporation

Manufacturer Name BEECH Certificate Issue Date 07/15/1999

Model 200 Status Valid

Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Multi-Engine Type Engine Turbo-Prop

Pending Number Change None Dealer No

Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 50004256

MFR Year 1977 Fractional Owner NO

Registered Owner

Name PROFILE AVIATION SERVICES

Street 2910A 2ND AVE NW

City HICKORY State NORTH CAROLINA Zip Code 28601-5648

County CATAWBA

Country UNITED STATES

Airworthiness

Engine Manufacturer P&W Classification Standard

Engine Model PT6A SER Category Normal

A/W Date 03/03/1999

This is the most current Airworthiness Certificate data, however, it may not reflect the current aircraft configuration. For that information, see the aircraft record. A copy can be obtained at Http://162.58.35.241/e.gov/ND/airrecordsND.asp

Other Owner Names

None

Temporary Certificate

Certificate Number T994360 Issue Date 07/15/1999 Expiration Date 08/14/1999

Fuel Modifications

None

Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1

Aircraft Description

Serial Number 64071 Type Registration Corporation

Manufacturer Name CONSOLIDATED VULTEE Certificate Issue Date 08/26/1974

Model PBY-5A Mode S Code 50004256

Year Manufacturer None Cancel Date 06/18/1981

Reason for Cancellation Unknown Exported To

Aircraft Registration prior to Deregistration

Name AMERICAN EQUIPMENT FUNDING CORP

Street 1105 NORTH MARKET ST

City WILMINGTON State DELAWARE Zip Code 19801

County NEW CASTLE

Country UNITED STATES

Airworthiness

None

"

Other Owner Names NAVAJO AVIATION

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[Kofi 0]

Hmmm, never seen the models from that angle before.

nose shaping (the tip should stand higher) and the aft fuselage is too long and thin. The cockpit glazing/shape of the greenhouse is off as well.

Thanks and shoot back!

I agree in the sense that something is "odd/off" with the shape of the nose....

[maverickNL 0]

PH-PBY? http://www.strijdbewijs.nl/top/CAT6.jpg

[johanfrc 0]

The one placed in Duxford, UK: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1236700/M/

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1124836/M/

That's my favorite Catalina livery.

[YoYo 49]

I think we need too something like classic american style, like this (blue repaint or with gloss dark blue):

+ old civil skin, f. ex:

or maybe Russian Repaint or this New Zeland : http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/catalina.html :

Cheers!

Btw.

Dont forget add this Mission :

USS Thesis Bay, 07.1944

[Kofi 0]

To get back on topic,

I'd like to see a US Pre-war variant in the likeness of this. 8)

[ChrisB 11]

Mathijs, this line might (one day) be in conflict with itself... :wink:

Please note that although we will add some historical models, our main focus is on models that are currently still flying, MS FSX is a simulator totally set in this era, not a historical simulator

...if Tom Constantine and "The Old Hangar" crew attack FSX and create a "Golden Age" scenario for FSX - and then the historical Cat-Fans will likely be getting louder...

Just thinking out loud...

[sulebust 0]

I would really love to see the PBY5 in "camouflage" colors and with nose turret and blisters, just like this:

Regards

Bernt

[ChrisB 11]

ummm... naughty!

Who forgot to remove the beaching wheels then?

:wink:

[Thrud 0]

+1 for any black cat skin

[Kofi 0]

Mathijs, this line might (one day) be in conflict with itself... :wink:

...if Tom Constantine and "The Old Hangar" crew attack FSX and create a "Golden Age" scenario for FSX - and then the historical Cat-Fans will likely be getting louder...

Just thinking out loud...

Don't forget all the warbird fans at Sim-Outhouse too 8)

[Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558]

I agree in the sense that something is "odd/off" with the shape of the nose....

Keep in mind there used to be 4 different 'kits' to get to a smooth nose when the turrets or other structures were removed (most did as they made the aircraft a lot heavier). So there is a huge variation in nose jobs.

[jboweruk 0]

Has anyone suggested G-PBYA from UK yet?

I'd like to see that done please.

[RayMor 0]

I'd like to second Kofi's pre-war variant. Very nice model, too!

Ray

[Guest Dag]

Keep in mind there used to be 4 different 'kits' to get to a smooth nose when the turrets or other structures were removed (most did as they made the aircraft a lot heavier). So there is a huge variation in nose jobs.

I'm not referring to the upper nose shape. I'm referring to the rubberized outer point/buffer. To me it sits too low. I don't look at the versions without turret... I'm sorry to say. To me a Catalina is best looking in it's original role/fit.

Thanks

[Kofi 0]

I'm sorry to say. To me a Catalina is best looking in it's original role/fit.

Thanks

You and I are definitely on the same page here Dag... 8)

[Viperdriver 0]

Why not the only PBY-5A in Europe certified for waterlandings/take-off's with passengers that currently flies with the Catalina PBY Foundation in the Netherlands? (www.catalina-pby.nl).

On the other hand why not one of the original Dutch Naval Aviation (MLD) operated Catalina's?

[Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558]

I'm not referring to the upper nose shape. I'm referring to the rubberized outer point/buffer. To me it sits too low. I don't look at the versions without turret... I'm sorry to say. To me a Catalina is best looking in it's original role/fit.

Thanks

I also have different versions of that rubber nose (wide & low / high & narrow). The more we look at this aircraft the weirder it gets. I even have images of models that are clearly PBY-5's (no wheels) but that have PBY-6A vertical rudders. It's a nightmare of versions, modifications, alterations, repairs etc. Certainly around 1945 it seems crews had a lot of freedom to adapt their machines.

[Guest Dag]

Right... this discussion on model accuracy ends on my behalf. I think I made my point regarding the bits in question. To begin discussing how many types of rubberized noses there are was not my point. I bet the wartime ones did not have too many variants and those are the ones on my mind. And I'm talking standard wartime PBY-5B boats and early/late PBY-5A 'fibs with turrets on the upper nose. I don't talk about local mods/pre-war mods/one offs or civilian mods.

These images show the RNoAF museums PBY-5A wrongly painted as a Catalina Mk. I but the colours (Extra Dark Sea Grey/Dark Slate Grey/Sky) are accurate for a Coastal Command Catalina. For the nose, nacelles etc. .... well... you know.

Thanks and my part of the discussion ends here.