afonso_am 5 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Hi there, whenever I export a route to my aerosoft airbus, the last waypoint is always missing, and having looked at a previous post about this, no solution was directly provided, as I'm running the latest version, 1.26. I have also tested on a PMDG aircraft, and there the waypoint wasn't missing. Lastly, and definitly most weirdly, if I look at the exported route in the Company route editor, the last waypoint isn't missing. I'm running the latest version of the airbus, 1.31 Regards, Afonso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srcooke 422 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I'm not an Aerosoft bus user but the exported flightplan contains the last route waypoint here TESTO: [CoRte] ArptDep=EGKK ArptArr=LIMJ RwyDep=EGKK08R RwyArr=LIMJ10 Airway1=UL612 Airway1FROM=BOGNA Airway1TO=MILPA Airway2=UM135 Airway2FROM=MILPA Airway2TO=TOP Airway3=UM730 Airway3FROM=TOP Airway3TO=TESTO which is the STAR TRANSITION entry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs mopperle 4162 Posted May 31, 2016 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted May 31, 2016 Alfonso, posting your flightplan file would be helpfull. And where is the last waypoint missing? in the file itself or when you load it in the Airbus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afonso_am 5 Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 Here is the flightplan, and the last waypoint isn't missing in the file and neither on the company route editor, but when I load it in the Airbus it's missing, being the last waypoint "EXONA", and here's the route I inserted in PFPX: " CCS DCT ELVAR DCT BIRBA DCT TAGUX DCT EXONA " LEMDLPPT01.flp Here's the content inside the flightplan: [CoRte] ArptDep=LEMD ArptArr=LPPT RwyDep=LEMD14R RwyArr=LPPT35 Airway1=DCT Airway1FROM=CCS Airway1TO=ELVAR Airway2=DCT Airway2FROM=ELVAR Airway2TO=BIRBA Airway3=DCT Airway3FROM=BIRBA Airway3TO=TAGUX Airway4=DCT Airway4FROM=TAGUX Airway4TO=EXONA I also included an image of how it looks on the airbus. (without doing any FMC programing at all, only inserted LEMD/LPPT and selected the company route LEMDLPPT01, but it doesn't change after programing the FMC) Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afonso_am 5 Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 23 hours ago, mopperle said: Alfonso, posting your flightplan file would be helpfull. And where is the last waypoint missing? in the file itself or when you load it in the Airbus? And I have also tested it with other routes, and the same issue happens with every route Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musefan 363 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Is EXONA not the name of the STAR arrival, as opposed to a waypoint? If so, then the STAR has to be entered manually. What flight planner are you using to export the route? Can you post a screenshot of the route in the flight planner window, as this would be helpful. EDIT: Ok I've just seen another post you made. You're using PFPX. Can you post a screenshot of how the route is written down in PFPX? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afonso_am 5 Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 8 minutes ago, nealmac said: Is EXONA not the name of the STAR arrival, as opposed to a waypoint? If so, then the STAR has to be entered manually. What flight planner are you using to export the route? Can you post a screenshot of the route in the flight planner window, as this would be helpful. EDIT: Ok I've just seen another post you made. You're using PFPX. Can you post a screenshot of how the route is written down in PFPX? Here It is on PFPX Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musefan 363 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Sorry I meant could you get a screenshot of the actual text on the initial page where you fill out all the fields, more specifically the area I outlined in blue Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afonso_am 5 Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 14 minutes ago, nealmac said: Sorry I meant could you get a screenshot of the actual text on the initial page where you fill out all the fields, more specifically the area I outlined in blue Please login to display this image. Here it is Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musefan 363 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Ok usually when I create a plan, instead of all the DCTs, it displays the airways. However, the last entry (where EXONA is) is actually the STAR arrival, and not a waypoint. So the MCDU in your bus is displaying the flightplan correctly. You'll notice that CCS isn't a waypoint either. This is your departure SID. I assume you're familar with SIDs and STARs and how to enter them into the MCDU? If not then I suggest you do the tutorial flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srcooke 422 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Portugal is designated FRA and there are no upper airways, EXONA is a designated intermediate and airport arrival waypoint. Maybe an Airbus quirk ? What is the result of entering and exporting the route from the FMC ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afonso_am 5 Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 9 minutes ago, nealmac said: Ok usually when I create a plan, instead of all the DCTs, it displays the airways. However, the last entry (where EXONA is) is actually the STAR arrival, and not a waypoint. So the MCDU in your bus is displaying the flightplan correctly. You'll notice that CCS isn't a waypoint either. This is your departure SID. I assume you're familar with SIDs and STARs and how to enter them into the MCDU? If not then I suggest you do the tutorial flight. EXONA isn't the STAR, but it's actually the first waypoint of a STAR (nevertheless, its still just a normal waypoint), and as for CCS, it is imported to the airbus, being the last waypoint of a SID. Having tested the same route on other planes, the PMDG 777 for example, the last waypoint, EXONA, is allways imported, which makes me believe the problem is either on the export function of PFPX (which would be weird as the last waypoint is displayed on the Company route editor, and on the exported file) or on the actual airbus. A picture of the route on the Company route editor (looking at route exported by PFPX) Please login to display this image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afonso_am 5 Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, srcooke said: Portugal is designated FRA and there are no upper airways, EXONA is a designated intermediate and airport arrival waypoint. Maybe an Airbus quirk ? What is the result of entering and exporting the route from the FMC ? Yes, I think it's something to do with the actual airbus aswell. What do you mean with entering and exporting the route from the FMC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srcooke 422 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Manually enter the route in the FMC and then save it, compare the output format to PFPX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afonso_am 5 Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 Just now, srcooke said: Manually enter the route in the FMC and then save it, compare the output format to PFPX. Ok, how do I save the route from the FMC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srcooke 422 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 As I previously mentioned, I do not use the Aerosoft Airbus so cannot comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musefan 363 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 9 minutes ago, afonso_am said: EXONA isn't the STAR, but it's actually the first waypoint of a STAR (nevertheless, its still just a normal waypoint), and as for CCS, it is imported to the airbus, being the last waypoint of a SID. Having tested the same route on other planes, the PMDG 777 for example, the last waypoint, EXONA, is allways imported, which makes me believe the problem is either on the export function of PFPX (which would be weird as the last waypoint is displayed on the Company route editor, and on the exported file) or on the actual airbus. A picture of the route on the Company route editor (looking at route exported by PFPX) Please login to display this image. I don't claim to be an expert or anything, but I think a STAR is normally named after it's initial waypoint (just like a SID is named after it's final waypoint). Have you tried selecting runway 35 in the MCDU and see does a STAR called EXONA appear as an option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afonso_am 5 Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 30 minutes ago, srcooke said: As I previously mentioned, I do not use the Aerosoft Airbus so cannot comment. Here is the exported route from the FMC: [CoRte] ArptDep=LEMD ArptArr=LPPT RwyDep=LEMD14R RwyArr=LPPT35 DctWpt1=CCS DctWpt1Coordinates=39.524502,-6.434722 DctWpt2=ELVAR DctWpt2Coordinates=39.219444,-7.223333 DctWpt3=BIRBA DctWpt3Coordinates=39.105556,-7.511944 DctWpt4=TAGUX DctWpt4Coordinates=38.945557,-7.914167 DctWpt5=EXONA DctWpt5Coordinates=38.904446,-8.016667 (you can see the one PFPX exported in the begining of the post) When loading the exported route (by the FMC) on the airbus, the last waypoint is now not missing, making me think this is definitly a PFPX issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srcooke 422 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 It looks like a format change compared to the PFPX supported Airbus Extended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afonso_am 5 Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 3 hours ago, srcooke said: It looks like a format change compared to the PFPX supported Airbus Extended. Yup, I tried to look for a file that contained some sort of database of the different export ways, but to no luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afonso_am 5 Posted June 3, 2016 Author Share Posted June 3, 2016 On 31/05/2016 at 3:50 PM, mopperle said: Alfonso, posting your flightplan file would be helpfull. And where is the last waypoint missing? in the file itself or when you load it in the Airbus? Any suggestions? I believe the issue is with the way PFPX is writting the route on the file, as it's different from when I save a route from the FMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afonso_am 5 Posted June 3, 2016 Author Share Posted June 3, 2016 Ok, so I have made an experiment, I tried adding another waypoint after EXONA, (INBOM), through the company route editor and now upon loading it on the airbus, all waypoints are there. I then looked at the file after adding the waypoint through the company route editor, and I noticed that the "structure" changed to the one in the routes save from the airbus FMC, making me conclude that the problem is how PFPX is writing the route on the file. Is there anyway I can change this, by editing a file or something to make the structure be like the one the FMC saves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afonso_am 5 Posted June 4, 2016 Author Share Posted June 4, 2016 @srcooke and @mopperle I have now found something else about this issue, something that changes everyhting. It turns out I can only reproduce the issue when flying TO Portugal (tested on LPPT and LPPR) and Denmark (tested on EKCH) (there may be other countries, but I just haven't found out about it), and still only reproduceable on the aerosoft airbus. Now this makes it weird! Any suggestions? Anyone have something in mind that is characteristic to Portugal and Denmark, and not UK, France, Italy and Germany? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srcooke 422 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 The difference in Portugal is that you are DCT to the STAR entry compared to an airway arrival in Denmark ? or are you using a direct there also. EDIT: re-read your posts arrivals in both Portugal and Denmark are direct to STAR entry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afonso_am 5 Posted June 4, 2016 Author Share Posted June 4, 2016 44 minutes ago, srcooke said: The difference in Portugal is that you are DCT to the STAR entry compared to an airway arrival in Denmark ? or are you using a direct there also. EDIT: re-read your posts arrivals in both Portugal and Denmark are direct to STAR entry? Yes both Portugal and Denmark are DCT to the STAR entry (in the UK, Italy, Germany and France this is not the case) and in both the issue happens. Well spotted, thanks! Now, why this would cause the last waypoint not to be there is the question, and why it only happens in the "format" PFPX writes the exported route and not on a FMC saved route or CoRoute editor created route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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