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#41 Rafal Haczek

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 12:10

Dear Mathijs and Sascha,

To begin with, sorry for a rather late reply. :blush:

So the key is in doing it as cheap as possible


Obviously. But since there are always a few ways to get a cheaper result, why not thinking of making the European Cities series a 'Lite' type product?
No hi res ground textures plus some buildings you have no photos of could have some kind of custom yet generic textures?
For creating a realistic cityscape enhancing reality in the FS that would be more than enough, wouldn't it?
All in all once the city visually grows in the simmer's eyes, that should be a happy moment for everyone flying from/to this city.

It's very much the issue around the night textures for the US Cities, sure they can be done, but the development costs are so high the product would never make a profit.


I see. What about creating a, let's say, temporary solution? For now you could place generic illuminated windows on the buildings textures to create the impression of night lighting in the building.
Same could maybe go for illuminated spots simulating laplights and cars on the roads.

doing a European city in the same level of detail always tends to be much harder on frames alone for the fact of European cities not being as symmetrical as US cities


A good point. Thanks for the explanation. I am sure though you can find a way around it.
Especially that European cities also tend to be smaller and definitely lower than the US ones.

Just thinking aloud and daydreaming... :)
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Posted 06 May 2012 - 17:13

Looks awesome! Can't wait to fly to this airport.

Just wondering, why did they make the runway of concreet and not asphalt?
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Posted 06 May 2012 - 17:53

Looks awesome! Can't wait to fly to this airport.

Just wondering, why did they make the runway of concreet and not asphalt?

Asphalt can at times be just a little more slippery with certain weather conditions and build up of jet exhaust. Not much difference that I know as far aircraft performance. Asphalt is very difficult to see on a night IFR landing when the runway is wet.
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Posted 06 May 2012 - 23:17

Asphalt can at times be just a little more slippery with certain weather conditions and build up of jet exhaust. Not much difference that I know as far aircraft performance. Asphalt is very difficult to see on a night IFR landing when the runway is wet.


Why would you need to "see" the surface of the runway, on a night IFR landing?

Since you have all kinds of lighting on an instrument runway (approach, thresholds, touchdown zones, centerline, boundaries, exits normal and rapid, etc.).
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 19:13

According to the latest news, due to some serious problems (probably the fire protection) the opening of the Berlin Brandenburg airport has been postponed.
They are talking about at least several weeks.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 21:20

Same thing happened to Warsaw's T2, guess nobody learns...
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 07:10

Well, that's gives them some time to shape and clean up everything until the opening. As it looked last week it was hardly imaginable to see it finished within 4 more weeks.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 23:48

I see the header reads just "Preview FSX", but is a FS9 version planned?

Can't afford to get a PC running FSX at at least 15-20FPS on medium settings with addon planes and scenery.

you are joking me right? my system specs are very simular to yours, i run FSX fine mostly on High with alot of payware, i got 25fps in the Abirbus X.... you're settings must be wrong.
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Posted 16 May 2012 - 17:45

you are joking me right? my system specs are very simular to yours, i run FSX fine mostly on High with alot of payware, i got 25fps in the Abirbus X.... you're settings must be wrong.


I searched for Mathijs pdf he released some years ago and found it. I've set it to exactly the settings he describes there and I was able to get up to 15FPS with Qualitywings' 757 at FlyTampa's Athens (notice: AI traffic set to 30% -> AI addict here :D)
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Posted 16 May 2012 - 17:51

I searched for Mathijs pdf he released some years ago and found it. I've set it to exactly the settings he describes there and I was able to get up to 15FPS with Qualitywings' 757 at FlyTampa's Athens (notice: AI traffic set to 30% -> AI addict here :D)


C´mon :D I´ve an old IntelCore2Duo Processor and my system is more than 4 years old but i get more than 20 fps on most addon airports. (21 fps on EDDK German Airports2) Your system is more than double as fast as mine so you should run FSX easily with 25+ fps with most sliders maxed out... Have you tweaked your fsx.cfg?
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Posted 16 May 2012 - 17:53

I searched for Mathijs pdf he released some years ago and found it. I've set it to exactly the settings he describes there and I was able to get up to 15FPS with Qualitywings' 757 at FlyTampa's Athens (notice: AI traffic set to 30% -> AI addict here :D)


While both of these (fine) add-ons are not really known for their fluidity that's still pretty low. I just put the Airbus X on that airport (don't have the 757 installed now) and never got below 30 on a machine that costs less then $750 in P3D. FSX is a tricky beast and the more you touch it the more problems you get, but your 15 fps are just low.
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Posted 16 May 2012 - 17:55

C´mon :D I´ve an old IntelCore2Duo Processor and my system is more than 4 years old but i get more than 20 fps on most addon airports. (21 fps on EDDK German Airports2) Your system is more than double as fast as mine so you should run FSX easily with 25+ fps with most sliders maxed out... Have you tweaked your fsx.cfg?


If it has been tweaked, move it to another location and let FSX build a new one. It;s almost always the first thing we do if we sit behind a customer machine and half of the time the problem is solved. Some of the tweaks I see on forums are just stupid. Half of them slow your system down, only a few actually help in some conditions on some systems.
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Posted 16 May 2012 - 17:58

Berlin Brandenburg Airport ....FAILPORT

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:12

C´mon :D I´ve an old IntelCore2Duo Processor and my system is more than 4 years old but i get more than 20 fps on most addon airports. (21 fps on EDDK German Airports2) Your system is more than double as fast as mine so you should run FSX easily with 25+ fps with most sliders maxed out... Have you tweaked your fsx.cfg?


No, it's not tweaked. If it would run at 25+ FPS it would run faster than FS9 :D
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 12:13

Berlin Brandenburg Airport ....FAILPORT

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17 March 2013.

I assume the scenery project will be slightly delayed?
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 10:03

17 March 2013.

I assume the scenery project will be slightly delayed?


Could be the first (realistic, high end airport) that is available for FS before it is opened.
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That sounds like a challenge :lol: Hopefully management will not be out after, as for real BBI :P
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 10:44

I have been trying to find out why the delay is now another year, but other then "issue regarding safety" I can hardly find any info. Not one to start a fresh conspiracy theory but I just do not get it. You don't run into issues that cause a year of delay so unexpected.

And the first one to point to the development of the CRJ will be removed from the forum, lol.
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 12:58

I have been trying to find out why the delay is now another year, but other then "issue regarding safety" I can hardly find any info. Not one to start a fresh conspiracy theory but I just do not get it. You don't run into issues that cause a year of delay so unexpected.

And the first one to point to the development of the CRJ will be removed from the forum, lol.


Something stuctural is my guess, may not quite be able to cope withing it's factor of safety. Either way, we're still operating a full schedule to SFX, so it doesn't interrupt our ops, and there usually appears to be a fair bit of space there, so some of the routes may well start from SXF instead of BER. We'll have to see....

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 13:03

But something structural that needs a year to correct? That would point to runways, lighting or something like that.
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 14:37

But something structural that needs a year to correct? That would point to runways, lighting or something like that.


The roof supports IMO, I know we had a fair few delays to our National Aquatic center here in Ireland due to the way the wind caught it, needed to be re-enforced in multiple places by adding extra steel beams on the inside, added about 8 months to the construction. May not be the case in BER, who's to know, we've heard nothing official on the line, Mgmt may know something, but not us...

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 19:53

Got an email from easyJet a couple of days ago confirming our flights had been moved back to Schonefeld, disappointing; I was looking forward to passing through the new airport :mad:
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One problem is, that the smoke ventilation system maybe wont work at all. Therefor, it has to be tested and/or changed and/or replaced. That takes time because the airport isnt small and you have to get it certified before you can do anything at the airport. There were a lot of companies involved and if one makes a mistake, the whole thing will slow down because they all depend on each other (of course not all, but a lot of them do). Its like you develop a piece of software for linux and shortly before you are done, youfind out, that your customer is a windows user (or something like that maybe)
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Any updates on this? Or is it delayed just like the real life counter part? :)
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 14:51

Any updates on this? Or is it delayed just like the real life counter part? :)


I am not sure we CAN release before the real one is open. I know a lot of things are not yet settled (like taxiroutes, gate assignments). Very un-German to make such a mess of something like this.
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 19:20

While both of these (fine) add-ons are not really known for their fluidity that's still pretty low. I just put the Airbus X on that airport (don't have the 757 installed now) and never got below 30 on a machine that costs less then $750 in P3D. FSX is a tricky beast and the more you touch it the more problems you get, but your 15 fps are just low.


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So in your opinion is preferable to have the Airbus X Extended well as other addons running on P3D than in FSX, really better?
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Posted 02 September 2012 - 00:05

Mathijs,
So in your opinion is preferable to have the Airbus X Extended well as other addons running on P3D than in FSX, really better?


I can achieve 25% more FPS with Airbus X Extended running on a P3D than in FSX.
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Posted 03 September 2012 - 07:07

Mathijs,
So in your opinion is preferable to have the Airbus X Extended well as other addons running on P3D than in FSX, really better?


Absolutely. There is one caveat however. As AES and AESlite do not yet function in P3D you are going to miss out some realism at the bigger airports.
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 11:07

Any updates on this? Or is it delayed just like the real life counter part? :)


What we can tell for sure is that it won't come out this year. But we are very certain that we will make it before the real one is open. Referring to the latest local press gossip they're considering to open the airport in October 2013, but there are no official statements yet. There are also rumors about the old Schönefeld Terminals to remain open, which would possibly require a new government/protocol area somewhere else to be constructed.
We did buy a very expensive up to date aerial image for the scenery and hope that we can still use it when all those open "ifs" are decided.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 05:58

I am not sure we CAN release before the real one is open. I know a lot of things are not yet settled (like taxiroutes, gate assignments). Very un-German to make such a mess of something like this.


YES YOU CAN ! :clapping_s:

By Associated Press, Published: September 4

BERLIN — The opening of Berlin’s new airport looks set to be delayed for the second time this year, with local officials considering a further postponement to the autumn of 2013.
The new Willy Brandt Airport will replace the aging Tegel and Schoenefeld airports, which served West and East Berlin respectively during the Cold War. But construction has faced technical problems and it has become an increasing embarrassment to local politicians.

The airport’s planned June 3 opening was scrapped with just a few weeks to go and postponed until March 17, 2013.
Matthias Platzeck, the governor of Brandenburg state where the airport is located, told broadcaster RBB Tuesday that airport planning chief Horst Amann will propose another delay until the autumn.

He said a supervisory board meeting Friday will discuss the issue.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 06:08

Very un-German to make such a mess of something like this.



unfortunately it gets very common in germany it seems. We have now more then one such projects which been delayed and far more expensive as pronounced. The cheapest provider and rushed release dates are not always the best combination.
Welcome to the german banana republic!


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Posted 22 January 2013 - 15:02

Why not release Brandenburg virtual as the real one is now ? Unfinished, fresh, wet painted ? It would really be exciting.
A first in virtual aviation history. Dammnit i know thousands of people who could buy it now, no matter the gates are assigned yet.

And you would just have to release an update in 6 months...
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 15:50

Because an unfinished product doesn't look the same as an unfinished airport. For a full scenery all buildings at the airport need to be designed. The ground textures need to be edited to brush away everything that is not supposed to be there. The afcad need to be edited to precisely match the taxi lines on the ground textures.

In an unfinished scenery, some buildings that are already modeled and textured do exist and they're there in all their glory, But others have not been modeled and textured and they're not there. The ground textures would be even worse. What would you say if you're standing at the gate and looking at the airbridge, and then on the ground beneath the airbridge you see a photograph of that same airbridge? Or what about AI-aircraft taxiing in strange places because the afcad isn't correct yet?

If you still want a scenery for Brandenbrug, there is a nice freeware out there by Aviation-Design. I think that one more or less resembles your wishes. It's far from perfect, but at least you got something to use.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:19

In an unfinished scenery, some buildings that are already modeled and textured do exist and they're there in all their glory, But others have not been modeled and textured and they're not there. The ground textures would be even worse. What would you say if you're standing at the gate and looking at the airbridge, and then on the ground beneath the airbridge you see a photograph of that same airbridge? Or what about AI-aircraft taxiing in strange places because the afcad isn't correct yet?


Well, the airport's exteriors are finished basically so in FS this can definitely be done and made ready for flying (in fact we DO intend to release the airport before the real one opens!).
Of course there are still a few areas where we are uncertain what they will look like when the airport is finished. This mainly includes the old Schönefeld airport area with the new government apron and buildings (they didn't even start building those yet!) and possibly new buildings nearby the terminal containing additional check-in counters. You see there remain to be some unknowns about the final airport layout but in general this scenery can and will be done (with the option for an later update of course!).

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 13:40

I can't go with you PatrickZ. Ok, it makes no sense to create an unfinished airport but in this case, we will have the grand opening of this phenomenal Airport in 2014. I dont think that simmers would wait for so long for routing EDDB. I cant understand your state with the textures. you can just take the textures of the "healthy" part of the ground, e.g. the old Terminal, and copy that instead, it could help. And for the possebility that the AI-Traffic get confused on taxi, just create an AFCAD file without the new section, so the AI will not know that there exist more concrete to roll and they would use the old terminal and taxiways, only you will see the virtual scenery of BER and i think it worth it to create the scenery!
I offten departing from there due to my ATPL schoolership and it would be nice to make a high detail scenery of EDDB, nothing about the scenery of Aviation-Design, great job, but you all know what i mean!
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#76 vali

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 14:41

As far as it seems, is changed for 2015 now.
http://www.air-journ...015-564504.html
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#77 Iron.Eagle

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 23:24

i don't know where they got these figures but what i've heard on the tv news tonight is that it will not open this year/before 2014.
i estimate - if we ALL are (more than) lucky - we might see BER opening in (very) late 2014. C'mon, that's almost two years from today. Whatever went wrong... we're Germany. We can fix that within 18 to 20 months. ...or at least we should be able to, if we don't rely on companies from the far east of europe???

i used to be proud of my country, but lately a lot seems to be going downhill... :(
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#78 Rafal Haczek

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 23:54

if we don't rely on companies from the far east of europe???


No politics, please.
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#79 Iron.Eagle

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 23:40

i'm sorry. :mecry_s:
got a bit carried away. i didn't want to generalize. :dumb_me_s:

normally i would like tu put this sraight again but i'm sure noone wants to hear this, so... *hold-breath*
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#80 Jarlsberg

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 16:03

No development shots to show us yet?


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