Joshua Che. 1601 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Grab the latest fix from hotfix 1.21d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Thanks, Joshua. Quick test with A320 IAE: take of : Ok Climb: Ok T/C : swinging thrust Approach: OK Best. Miquel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roby-Fir 8 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Tested A319 IAE LIML-LIRQ Real Weather and 319 CFM LIRQ-LIRF Real Weather. 60% MTOW (due to FIR limitations). For me it is more than OK. In real flying the almost stable throttle determine pitch and or vertical speed variation to compensate drag, the airspeed indicator is continuosly moving, I imagine the Autothrottle have a very hard work to do, mostly because is not possible to be ahead of the variations in drag due to winds or density and inertia in jets spool up. Simulating (and programming, of course) a stable airspeed, rate of descent, and altitude hold in changing parameters I'm sue is not an easy job. Personally I prefere the "autofunction" in ruling the flight parameters being no so perfect since they seems not to close to real life. Pilots must be ahead of the plane behaviour and act consequently, Thank you Joshua for your commitment. I'm very happy with Aerosoft's Airbuses. This software is more than a "simulation in flying" it is an experience in the "reality of modern cockpit management. Best regards Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprowse 8 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Yeah just a quick question; why is this hotfix not in the 'news and hotfix sub forum? Thinking back to this: 'As with all these major updates we ONLY provide a full new build to avoid mixed up files that cause major headaches. You will find the new file on your order history page'. Now let me see should I install hotfix 1.21c on the fresh installer 1.21 first, then the hotfix for the hotfix or should I install the hotfix for the hotfix on a fresh install of 1.21...or should I just wait until all this nonsense, yes nonsense.. is sorted out...since Aerosoft do not want me getting a headache, let alone a major one, now do they..... steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseblood 8 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 A320 IAE: New fix is fine in all stages of flight except for TOC, where engines continue to oscillate severely 5-6 times until ALT CRZ is annunciated on the FMA. Cheers, Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian 0 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Tested with A321 IAE and exactly the same behaviour as in Wiseblood's post. Short (but severe) thrust oscillation at TOC. BTW: Thanks for all the hard work to keep us happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxhades 15 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Test A319 IAE Weather OFF: Climb ok, level off at 5000, 10000, 15000ft (manual climb) very smooth level of and no engine oscillation Weather ON (ASN): Same tests. Much better with the new ATHR but it seems the bus got more problems with weather engines than other high sensetive aircrafts! In light turbulences engine oscillation is a bit crazy but i have NOT seen any oscillation at TOC! No spooling up and down but as i said before, in turbulences the AT is hard at work to hold the speed! Looks like you are not far away from perfect Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanblade 11 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Joshua, I concur with the other reports. IAE A319 to LFLL from EGKK cruise 29k ASN used. T.O uneventful Climb uneventful TOC engine oscillation's about three or four until cruise altitude captured. The Weather Engines do seem to effect aircraft. ..small wind speed changes effect the engines, e.g 5mph change caused engine to go from cruise setting to idle and back. Descent was much better as was approach. Thank for your efforts.....nearly nailed it! Best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxhades 15 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 i forget! i have set down my turbulence effect from default 70 to 50 which gives me much better control in any aircraft addon! default with ASN is far from real! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanblade 11 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Mine is set to 30! but I still get the results as I posted above!...strange... Best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseblood 8 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Just flown EIDW to EGNX with A319 IAE. Live weather using ASN, REALISTIC options selected but Turbulence Effect Scale set to 50. Enhanced Turb. off, naturally. I use these settings 90% of the time anyway. Strong winds in the UK today so... I have to say this is one of the best flights i've ever flown with the Aerosoft Airbus. Absolutely textbook stuff. No probs with takeoff and climb, engines spooled 1-2 times to establish ALT CRZ but nothing i'd consider unrealistic. Strong tailwind all the way to descent. Light to moderate chop in the cruise, all handled with aplomb by the AT. 26kt winds with gusts of 38kt at EGNX RWY27, normally i'd select manual thrust with those conditions, but trusted to the AT for testing purposes. Result? A fantastic approach and landing. Obviously only one flight, but based on that i'd give the A319 a clean bill of health. Wonder why the A320 went briefly beserk at TOC while the A319 didn't? Also, has anyone else noticed way more realistic taxiing with the IAE A319 with this fix? I even had to apply some thrust at Dublin at one point. Cheers Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxhades 15 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Mine is set to 30! but I still get the results as I posted above!...strange... Best Hmm i guess the different between 30 and 50 is not that much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangtooth 84 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Haven't tested Climb & Cruise performance yet but the AT worked perfectly during approach after updating the xml file Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseblood 8 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Hmm i guess the different between 30 and 50 is not that much! I don't understand the fuss when it comes to ASN...i've always found the Airbus to be one of the more robust add-ons on when it comes to coping with turbulence etc. Certainly compared to really weather sensitive aircraft like PMDG. Admittedly the default turbulence settings in ASN are far more demanding than they were pre-SP1, but thats what the turbulence effect slider is for. You have loads of options. I use 50% turbulence. Still lively, but it doesn't break essential aircraft features such as Auto-throttle etc. Anyway, we are digressing already to weather engine setting settings when it has no bearing on the issue at hand. Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixxer 0 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 It has nothing to do with ASN or other weather engines. With FSX own weather i have this freaky oscillation too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith H 3 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Hotfix 1.21c plus ATHR fix: A320 IAE with real world weather using REX Essential Plus, everything ok with climb until TOC, then THR has 3/4 large oscillations until CRZ established. Descent and Final App is ok. Also taxying seems to be smoother. Will try A319 IAE later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jencas 70 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Yeah just a quick question; why is this hotfix not in the 'news and hotfix sub forum? Take a look at the first two words of the first message of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith H 3 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 OK just finished a flight with A319 IAE. EGKK to EGJJ with real world REX Essential plus. Some THR oscillation on SAM1X SID when transiting from 2500' to 3000', but not too bad. Very significant THR oscillation at TOC, maybe 5 or 6 cycles. Descent had minor oscillations, but this may have been caused by the weather. Approach and Finals ok. So my conclusion is that Hotfix 1.21c plus the ATHR test fix is functioning satisfactorily, so thanks Joshua Che!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWR 36 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Hi All. Flight test today A319 IAE Aircraft full up to date with all fixes. EGPF-EKCH ZFW.48881 Kgs F. 11702Kgs CI.22 Benign FSX wx used with surface wind calm NO ASN. 1. Departure and initial climb unremarkeable using FLX initial climb to 6000 QNH 2. Levelling at 6000ft 3 violent 'thrust pumps' before thrust stabilised. 3.Climb to FL180 aircraft allowed to level and A/T performance stable and unremarkeable 4.Climb to FL250 aircraft allowed to level and A/T performance stable and unremarkeable. 5.Climb to cruising at FL370. On levelling there were 3 'thrust pumps' the first to a moderate level then the following 'pumps' at decreasing levels of intensity, the last being very slight. 6.Descent to FL310 and levelling absolutely no issue. 7.Descent to FL210 and levelling absolutely no issue. 8.Descent to FL110 and levelling absolutely no issue. 9.Speed reduction to 250kts no issue 10.Descent to 5000ft and decelleration to 220kts. Aircraft doesn't like to slow when clean at very slight rates of descent, (1000fpm) and spoiler effect is very slight at greater ROD but perhaps this is normal for all I know. 11.Descelleration to 160kts and flap increases appear normal except that flap drag results in very small amounts of power. When at 160kts with flap 3 and U/c down, established on the GP the aircraft is almost at flight idle and on slowing to Vapp at 130kts with full flap the autothrottle is hovering on flight idle setting. This is much lower than I'd expect for a dirty aircraft even with a calm wind. Conclusion. There are still issues but as this is a test fix that should be expected. 1.There appear to be A/T issues still apparent in the climb with this aircraft variant. 2.This variant appears to have performance issues in climb above FL200. By FL290 climb rate was showing 700FPM. Mach 'handover' was around FL310 by which time climb rate was 600FPM which was maintained to FL370. 3.This variant appears to be particularly slippery at lower altitudes and appears to get very little drag increase from flap or spoiler. The whole point of flap on approach is to allow controlled flight at low speed whilst holding power settings at a point that, in the event of a go-around, turbine spool-up time is minimised. This doesn't appear to be being accurately simulated at the moment. 4.Although this is not likely to be changed by an A/T mod, I'm still rather dubious about the taxy acceleration on this variant as it loves to 'spring forward' to around 25kts and although it's known to actual pilots that the aircraft will roll on idle from brakes off, it does seem that the IAE variant might be exagerated slightly. This is particularly apparent when there is a comparison with the more powerful CFM variant which seems much closer to reality. (I stand to be corrected by any real life pilots on this. I do have a good friend who flies this version with BA but as he's just become a father for the second time I'm loath to bother him with flight sim trivia). Note. My comments are only based on the A319IAE and how it performs on my system at the current state of modification. It is not intended to criticise results of any other flight tests or of Aerosoft. I'm just trying to be thorough in reporting my experience. Regards. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxhades 15 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Todays Test KPSP-KMRY Real weather (ASN) Climb Managed mode A319 IAE Latest patches and updates Climb OK Level of at TOC was realy boring! Engine swinging up and down very agressive (3-4 times), nose pitch up and down! Impression: i don't know what is going wrong with the Bus but this is realy boring! The only thing that worked is level of with manual climbing! Managed mode is far from a good addon! A friend of mine is a Airbus pilot typ A320 (Austrian Airlines). He knows FSX and i will bet him to see whats going on with the Bus! Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptOwen 3 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 A320 IAE - Take off/climb performance much better. At cruise it took 4x fluctuations of 40-50% N1 for the engine to stable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starvip 7 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 As above. All is well except the 3-5 huge violent swings at the TOC just before ALT CRZ is annunciated. A320 IAE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphe27 0 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Hello everbody I do have strange issu with the bus ; very strong oscillation ( getting up and down ; speed increase and decrease strongly ) of the aircraft just after take off > a nightmare I seems that's it's a wrong interaction with wind .... I will try the ATHR fix and will let you know Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseblood 8 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Hi all, Having performed a few more flights with the IAE A319 I'm afraid my original conclusions were premature. Not sure why the planets were in alignment on my Dublin-East Midlands trip, but every flight since then has resulted in the ALT CRZ craziness as observed in the A320. 4-5 severe oscillations before the engines settle. All of this is repeatable with A319/A320/A321 regardless of weather conditions. Also, apologies for my brainfart re: the taxiing speed. Why I thought an ATHR update would sort that out I don't know, but suffice to say the IAE A319 still bombs along like a supercharged Reliant Robin; the strong winds at Dublin I suspect influenced my original conclusions. In summary, I think MWR's earlier, very detailed post pretty much nails all of the salient points regarding the problems with the IAE at this stage. Nothing to add to that, and I think the devs have all they need to work on from that. Cheers, Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxhades 15 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 taxi speed with the IAE models gives me full loaded up to 30kts! my joystick is 100% calibrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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