Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted January 1, 2015 Aerosoft Share Posted January 1, 2015 As you might have heard there is new VAT regulation that went into effect today. Up to this moment you would pay the VAT of the country where the seller is based (in our case Germany), but from now on you will pay the VAT of the country you are in. We determine this from the IP you are using when connected That means that the actual sales price can be different between customers. To give you an example: This is what I see from France. The price for me is 15.08 Euro because I am in a 20% VAT country. But a customer from German will see the price at 14.95 Euro because Germany has 19%. So the base price is the same for everybody, it's just the VAT (that we have to pay to the different countries) that differs. For customers from outside the EU nothing has changed, they pay no VAT. Do mind that the US, Switzerland etc are hard at work to change that and before long we'll also be forced to charge their local VAT. It's all a major pain in the ass and hellishly expensive to implement and nobody seems to fully understand why it was done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acra24 83 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Mathijs Because it keeps some grey, faceless bureaucrat in a job. There's far too many of them in the EU. I really don't believe they pause to think through the consequences of some the stupid regulations they bring in. All they see are opportunities to claw back more money from us poor punters. Anyway, rant over. Happy New Year to everyone in the EU and the world. Andrew (a mere gardener, not a bureaucrat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezochi 1 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Mathijs Because it keeps some grey, faceless bureaucrat in a job. There's far too many of them in the EU. I really don't believe they pause to think through the consequences of some the stupid regulations they bring in. All they see are opportunities to claw back more money from us poor punters. Anyway, rant over. Happy New Year to everyone in the EU and the world. Andrew (a mere gardener, not a bureaucrat) Looking at your avatar, there can only be one line that comes to mind: "One Hundred Millllllyyyion Euros!!!" (he's even wearing grey!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joandreas 0 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Since in norway it now shows no tax. i guess i wont have any refund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acra24 83 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Mwa ha hah ha ha! Mwa ha ha hah ha ! And if you don't mind...it's a shade of powder blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emi 5161 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Since in norway it now shows no tax. i guess i wont have any refund. We can not refund any taxes already paid in the past, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted January 1, 2015 Author Aerosoft Share Posted January 1, 2015 As Norway is not in the EU there is no VAT charge. But if I am correct we never charged VAT on sales to Norwegian customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted January 1, 2015 Author Aerosoft Share Posted January 1, 2015 Mathijs Because it keeps some grey, faceless bureaucrat in a job. There's far too many of them in the EU. I really don't believe they pause to think through the consequences of some the stupid regulations they bring in. All they see are opportunities to claw back more money from us poor punters. Anyway, rant over. Happy New Year to everyone in the EU and the world. Andrew (a mere gardener, not a bureaucrat) Well for sure it kept shop managers, lawyers, accountants and the technical staff of shop systems busy. Stay a gardener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShrekFSX 6 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Thanks for the information,looks like i brought my airbus just in time! I wonder why the Airbus price had just changed , for me its now an incredible 0.32p dearer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmoreira 29 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 This makes absolutely no sense. Until today, VAT applied has always been on the place of origin if you are an EU individual (not company nor from the rest of world). What law changed this? And besides, If I walk into your store in Germany, what VAT will you apply? Evidently it will have to be German VAT. This is negative discrimination on online sales... If it really is like this.... then they deserve it... It's gonna be VPN galore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert S 75 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Mathijs, Sorry - I accidentally tapped the "down arrow" on your "Stay a gardener" post when I was actually going for the green up post! Stupid iPad, please ignore that vote down from me; it was meant vote up LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jude 190 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Mathijs, Sorry - I accidentally tapped the "down arrow" on your "Stay a gardener" post when I was actually going for the green up post! Stupid iPad, please ignore that vote down from me; it was meant vote up LOL!. I upvoted for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jude 190 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 As Norway is not in the EU there is no VAT charge. But if I am correct we never charged VAT on sales to Norwegian customers.Should we all move to Norway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted January 2, 2015 Author Aerosoft Share Posted January 2, 2015 This makes absolutely no sense. Until today, VAT applied has always been on the place of origin if you are an EU individual (not company nor from the rest of world). What law changed this? And besides, If I walk into your store in Germany, what VAT will you apply? Evidently it will have to be German VAT. This is negative discrimination on online sales... If it really is like this.... then they deserve it... It's gonna be VPN galore! Believe me it really is like that. It's done because the big chains like Amazon all had their financial HQ's in Luxembourg with its low VAT. That was unfair towards real shops and online shops that were aimed at local customers. If you buy one of our boxed products in Germany, the shop, the box and the customer are in Germany so German VAT will be applicable. Just as it was before. For standard retail nothing has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickZ 300 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Can anyone tell me the VAT rate for Spain? In a few weeks I'm going on holiday to Tenerife and it might be worth it to make my online purchases there instead of at home. PS I think my summer holidays this year will be to Norway to save a couple of bucks more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShrekFSX 6 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Can anyone tell me the VAT rate for Spain? In a few weeks I'm going on holiday to Tenerife and it might be worth it to make my online purchases there instead of at home. PS I think my summer holidays this year will be to Norway to save a couple of bucks more. 21%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted January 2, 2015 Author Aerosoft Share Posted January 2, 2015 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax#VAT_rates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scandinavian 53 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 As Norway is not in the EU there is no VAT charge. But if I am correct we never charged VAT on sales to Norwegian customers. I at least have never been charged any VAT on my purchases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted January 2, 2015 Author Aerosoft Share Posted January 2, 2015 I at least have never been charged any VAT on my purchases. As it should be. Keep in mind however that countries like Denmark, Switzerland and the US are all hard at work to get get into this same system. So expect change sooner or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAPTEJNLN 237 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I already see danish Vat 25% in the shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs jrotaetxe 242 Posted January 2, 2015 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted January 2, 2015 Can anyone tell me the VAT rate for Spain? In a few weeks I'm going on holiday to Tenerife and it might be worth it to make my online purchases there instead of at home. PS I think my summer holidays this year will be to Norway to save a couple of bucks more. 21% in Peninsula and Balearic, but... You travel to Canaries, and Canaries are a special tax area and they do not pay VAT. They pay another tax (much lower) which could be asimmilated to "import duties", but is applied for material goods. The con is the internet in the hotels hardly let you DL 1 Gb.... Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs jrotaetxe 242 Posted January 2, 2015 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted January 2, 2015 ...And Germany is the lower VAT but Luxembourg..... So "Sunny Germany" is the option to spend this summer holidays. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmoreira 29 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 21% in Peninsula and Balearic, but... You travel to Canaries, and Canaries are a special tax area and they do not pay VAT. They pay another tax (much lower) which could be asimmilated to "import duties", but is applied for material goods. The con is the internet in the hotels hardly let you DL 1 Gb.... Regards You just need to pay there. The DL you can do later by accessing your account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmoreira 29 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Believe me it really is like that. It's done because the big chains like Amazon all had their financial HQ's in Luxembourg with its low VAT. That was unfair towards real shops and online shops that were aimed at local customers. If you buy one of our boxed products in Germany, the shop, the box and the customer are in Germany so German VAT will be applicable. Just as it was before. For standard retail nothing has changed. Incredible how the EU doesn't stand up against Luxembourg, even despite the latest scandals.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Barbas 7 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 As you might have heard there is new VAT regulation that went into effect today. Up to this moment you would pay the VAT of the country where the seller is based (in our case Germany), but from now on you will pay the VAT of the country you are in. We determine this from the IP you are using when connected That means that the actual sales price can be different between customers. To give you an example: Tax.png This is what I see from France. The price for me is 15.08 Euro because I am in a 20% VAT country. But a customer from German will see the price at 14.95 Euro because Germany has 19%. So the base price is the same for everybody, it's just the VAT (that we have to pay to the different countries) that differs. For customers from outside the EU nothing has changed, they pay no VAT. Do mind that the US, Switzerland etc are hard at work to change that and before long we'll also be forced to charge their local VAT. It's all a major pain in the ass and hellishly expensive to implement and nobody seems to fully understand why it was done. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax#VAT_rates Good day Regarding the 1st post, the price we see, for example for this Airbus A318/A319 (FSX+P3D), it is the final or does it change after clicking "Add to cart" and or before paying? For the 2nd quoted post , I am seeing 23% VAT for Greece but I am seeing 19% VAT at the online shop. Thanks EDIT : The price I meant was the 1st one we can see and I think its for the box version, which means Germany, the 2nd one is correct, for the download is 23%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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