---> Framerate issues (combination topic revisited)

[Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558]

In the last two weeks we have seen a lot of people reported that their problems with FPS are sorted out. That makes it unclear to us who still has these issues. So we think it is better to find out what remaining issues there are.

(1) If you got unexpected low FPS (single digit) compared to other complex add-ons

AND

(2) you have tried disabling the WX background scan (this solved the issue for most users)

AND

(3) you have re-installed ASN using the latest version, overwriting betas, release candidates etc (this solved the issue for most remaining problems)

we like to know about it. We need to know

• about your hardware (also if it is a laptop)
• other add-ons running
• what fps you get in exactly the same conditions using the A318/A319 and using the default FSX Airbus

[Joachim (Joe) 48]

Hello,

Thank you for your ongoing effort and for keeping an eye on this!

I had very low frames with the Airbus A318/A319 and installing the new SP1 a few days ago and re-installing ActiveSky, seems to have helped.

The frames are still a little low compared to the other Airbus but not as much as before, where I could not really use FSX with the Airbus A318/A319, because it was too slow. I am still going to test some more though but the last flight I did with X-Gonzalo around Europe frames were acceptable for such intensive weather systems.

Otto suggested that I turn off the SimConnect.ini logging, maybe this is what helped and I was wondering... is it okay to use FSX with no logging in the simconnect.ini, I don't know what turn this on, before I had verbose.

[simConnect]

level=off

console=0

;RedirectStdOutToConsole=1

;OutputDebugString=1

;file=c:\simconnect%03u.log

;file_next_index=0

;file_max_index=9

Can I leave this off or is this required to be on at verbose, which is was before? I'm guessing if this is logging then it's not required, unless I am doing diagnosis.

I will test more soon! Thanks

[Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558]

Please let me know this:

• what fps you get in exactly the same conditions using the A318/A319 and using the default FSX Airbus

At high load (so with dense scenery, weather etc etc) I would expect the A318/A319 to be around 2/3 the FPS compared to the default bus. If it is 1/3 there is still an issue on that machine we like to take a look at.

[Joachim (Joe) 48]

Location: ETND - At Parking Stand (no gate) (default scenery)

Frames set to unlimited

Weather: Cloudy but no stormy weather

Aerosoft Airbus A319 (Weather radar off) With //WXBackgroundScan=2

Cockpit: Between 17-25

Outside: Between 25-30

Aerosoft Airbus A319 (Weather radar off) With //WXBackgroundScan=0

Cockpit: Between 17-25

Outside: Between 19-30

Microsoft Default A321

Cockpit: Between 33-40

Outside: Between 34-40

The funny thing I hardly notice much difference with WX Background scan on or off, so I will leave it commented as per default, which means it will be 2.

When I removed the comments and changed it 0 I got these results above. Not much difference at all.

As I wrote above, since I installed SP1 I am getting acceptable to good performance.

I am curious to what others are getting... I will do some more flying with more intense weather too, one test is not enough!

[LarsA 1]

Hi, yes I have exact this problem too under the mentioned conditions. I have "(1)", tried "(2)" and have done "(3)".

My hardware:

Intel 3930K @4,5 Ghz

64GB RAM

MSI Nvidia GTX 970

Samsung 840pro SSD`s

Win 7,(64bit), FSX AccP (German) with following Add-Ons:

ASN (5391, fresh install) FlyTampa Vienna, AS-AES, Ultimate Traffic II, Ultimate Terrain, FSGlobal Mesh, FSUIPC (newest version with licence), nothing else, especially no IVAO or Vatsim-Software)

The problem is the same using FSGRW or Opus (newest version), there is no difference!

FPS (under exact same conditions at LOWW, or other add-on-airports using weather-software):

FSX default Airbus: 51

AS Airbus A320 Ext.: 34

AS Airbus A319: 11 (fresh install)

Without any weather-software the A319 reaches 36 FPS, in really bad weather "made by FSX" I have 32 FPS!

I hope, that will help.....

Thank you very much!

Lars

[LarsA 1]

One more hint:

I can use the A319 in P3D (2.4) under exact the same conditions (same add-ons- without AES of cause) in bad weather with ASN, FSGRW or Opus on the same PC without any Problems, that means 34 FPS.

In my opinion it could have something to do with the simconnect-function in FSX- maybe an interaction with a parallel installed P3D?

Can it be that all users with the problem have P3D running on the same computer......

Just an idea.....

Thank`s again!

[Armando83 2]

intel 3770k @3,5 GHZ

16 GB RAM

GTX 780 Ti

I have FPS limited 30 in Inspector

reinstalled ASN with SP1, UT2, ORBX set (Global+Vector+Europe LC), Global mesh, REX textures, LHBP from lhsimulations.

I have no default Airbus, so compared with Majestic Q400:

319 with weather radar disabled (.ini file changed) ~ 30

319 with weather radar switched on ~ 11-13

Q400 ~ 30

[Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558]

One more hint:

I can use the A319 in P3D (2.4) under exact the same conditions (same add-ons- without AES of cause) in bad weather with ASN, FSGRW or Opus on the same PC without any Problems, that means 34 FPS.

In my opinion it could have something to do with the simconnect-function in FSX- maybe an interaction with a parallel installed P3D?

Can it be that all users with the problem have P3D running on the same computer......

Just an idea.....

Thank`s again!

All most all of our testers have these two sims together so it does not seem a likely cause. It is interesting that you see it in FSX and not P3D though, I got no explanation for that right now.

[HolgerH 4]

All most all of our testers have these two sims together so it does not seem a likely cause. It is interesting that you see it in FSX and not P3D though, I got no explanation for that right now.

I also have not the fps issue within P3D but I have P3D on a different partition and I use ASN in network-configuration from the same Laptop for FSX/P3D. I think one reason that the fps drop not appears in P3D is that the ASN overcast pattern fix is not part of the ASN P3D version.

However, finally I was able to sort out the fps issue in FSX. I was very close to raise up the white flag because I tried everything which was posted here to solve the problem.

At the end it was as simple as it can be. I downloaded the newest ASN version from simmarket (a complete installer), made a clean deinstall and installed the new one. I still have better frames in P3D but the extreme frame drop is gone. Absolutly okay now!

[virtualstuff 76]

All most all of our testers have these two sims together so it does not seem a likely cause. It is interesting that you see it in FSX and not P3D though, I got no explanation for that right now.

Well maybe the difference is AA ;-)

[LarsA 1]

No,that is not possible because with really bad weather made by FSX I have very good frames. The problem only occurs when FSX is connected with a third-party weather-addon.

[GEC77F 2]

I will descripe my situation:

Weather Radar is off, but i dont know what this backgroundscan thing is, sorry.

(locked to 30fps with NvidiaInspector)

EDLP Aerosoft Scenery + A319, standart nice weather situation:

27-29fps

EDLP Aerosoft Scenery + A319, standart thunderstorm situation:

28-30fps

EDLP Aerosoft Scenery + A319, FSrealWX V.2 Metar: EDLP 041950Z VRB01KT 1300 RA BR OVC001 08/08 Q0996:

22-29fps

EDLP Aerosoft Scenery + A319, ASN (Build 5410) Metar: EDLP 042020Z VRB01KT 1300 RA BR OVC001 08/08 Q0996:

4-12fps

--> Must be a problem with Aktiv Sky Next!

[Armando83 2]

--> Must be a problem with Aktiv Sky Next!

But other plane addons are not affected. I guess it is not ASN problem, but some 319 radar and ASN complex compability issue.

[Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558]

I will descripe my situation:

Weather Radar is off, but i dont know what this backgroundscan thing is, sorry.

(locked to 30fps with NvidiaInspector)

EDLP Aerosoft Scenery + A319, standart nice weather situation:

27-29fps

EDLP Aerosoft Scenery + A319, standart thunderstorm situation:

28-30fps

EDLP Aerosoft Scenery + A319, FSrealWX V.2 Metar: EDLP 041950Z VRB01KT 1300 RA BR OVC001 08/08 Q0996:

22-29fps

EDLP Aerosoft Scenery + A319, ASN (Build 5410) Metar: EDLP 042020Z VRB01KT 1300 RA BR OVC001 08/08 Q0996:

4-12fps

--> Must be a problem with Aktiv Sky Next!

Check here: http://forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?/topic/86844-change-weather-scanning-options-solved/

[Mik75 30]

Hi there!

I really enjoy flying the new baby busses a lot! Great work, inside an out, and the additional detail on the FMGC and the ND is absolutely fantastic!

One small issue remains unsolved for me. I tried the suggestions made in several threads (WXbackgroundscan=0, etc), the Airbus, FSUIPC and ASN are installed in their most recent version, and everything is fine as long as the WX radar is turned off (frame rates are comparable to the AAX and other addon a/c). Depending on the scenery and the weather conditions, I get 22-30 FPS in the A318/319. With the WX radar turned on, the FPS drop by 10 to around 12-18. Is that a normal behaviour?

I already tried reinstalling ASN SP1 and the Airbus, but nothing changed.

My system specs are:

i5 3570k @ 4.2 GHz

16 GB CL9 RAM

GTX 670 2 GB

all installed on SSD

Win 7 64 bit

The settings in FSX aren't maxed out with traffic turned off completey and max. cloud layers are set to 5 within ASN and I use REX4 with min. resolution clouds.

I use FSX in DX10 (with the DX10 fixer)

Other addons running:

Aivlasoft EFB (data Provider & display unit)

EZCA

TrackIr 4 Pro

But even with all that Software shut down,the loss in framerate stays the same.

P.S.: I tried a situation with a default weather theme and right now, I am on a flight with FS Global Real Weather providing the weather data, but still the same problem: As soon as I turn on the WX radar, the framerate drops by 10 fps.

Thanks a lot in advance for your help!

[Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558]

A drop of 10-12 fps seems high and not easily explained. What could be happening is that your system is having problems sending enough data over the simconnect. I would certainly try without EZCA and TrackIr to see if they have an influence.

[Farlis 155]

You might want to try switching off the "repeating overcast pattern fix" in ASN's visual fixes tab and see whether that helps with the frames.

[Mik75 30]

I've tried a situation with no additional software running, the default weather theme "thunderstorms" and an A319 standing on the runway of the default FSX KSEA. The reaction when I turn on the WX radar is still the same, the frames go down to 14-16 fps.

[Joachim (Joe) 48]

You might want to try switching off the "repeating overcast pattern fix" in ASN's visual fixes tab and see whether that helps with the frames.

This fixes the issue with the repeating overcast pattern and it should not be necessary to turn this off, in order to fix the issue with the Airbus.

I kept this on and am getting acceptable frames with the Airbus, having also previous low frames.

See this post by Kostas (programmer from HiFi) , why you should leave this on.

I am not entirely sure what fixed it for me but I do not have such low frames as before anymore (A320/A321 still goes smoother though) but make sure that you installed the latest Airbus hotfix, and do a clean install of ASN. This seemed to have helped.

The reaction when I turn on the WX radar is still the same, the frames go down to 14-16 fps.

Did you try what Matijas suggested with turning off the background scanning? Mik75 14-16 frames is not a low but the Airbus is still "flyable" I was getting much lower frames before that it was "stuttering" it also depends on the viewing angle... when ASN is producing "heavy weather" the frames can really drop temporarily but when you look up at the sky and draw the camera in such a way the clouds are not showing, the frames go back up to around 30 or more. Please check.

[Mik75 30]

I have background scanning turned off. To be honest, I didn't notice any difference in fps with this parameter being on or off while the WXR is turned off. Turned on, the framerate drops in both cases. These 14-16 fps were on a default airport with default weather theme. With ASN or FSGRW providing the weather and in complex scenery, it gets much worse with the WXR on. Could the drop in framerate be caused by some settings concerning the anti aliasing or the DX 10 settings in the DX 10 fixer?

[Farlis 155]

See this post by Kostas (programmer from HiFi) , why you should leave this on.

He doesn't say that you should leave it on. He says: "So, the efficiency (or lack of it) of their cloud scanning code is their responsibility to adjust and there's nothing we can really do on this end to help improve things. Apart from documenting this observation some of you have made about the conflict of their product with our "overcast pattern fix".

So on some systems this is the culprit.

[Joachim (Joe) 48]

He doesn't say that you should leave it on. He says: "So, the efficiency (or lack of it) of their cloud scanning code is their responsibility to adjust and there's nothing we can really do on this end to help improve things. Apart from documenting this observation some of you have made about the conflict of their product with our "overcast pattern fix".

So on some systems this is the culprit.

Thanks for your reply Karsten. Well actually I was recommending to leave this option on (not Kostas) because it is suppose to fix an FSX bug (Not ASN or Airbus) and I linked to the site with more detail, but there is no harm in turning this off to see if frame rates improve. I think that one should mention what this is for and why this "overcast pattern fix" is useful.

[Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558]

He doesn't say that you should leave it on. He says: "So, the efficiency (or lack of it) of their cloud scanning code is their responsibility to adjust and there's nothing we can really do on this end to help improve things. Apart from documenting this observation some of you have made about the conflict of their product with our "overcast pattern fix".

So on some systems this is the culprit.

Sure, but it ONLY happens with ASN and that weather pattern, no other weather tool creates this issue.

I find it slightly annoying that a lack of efficiency is suggested. The code has been optimized for months (literally) and we are 100% sure it is as efficient as possible.

[Mik75 30]

Any ideas? ASN isn't the problem on my system for sure. I even tried deactivating the ASN dll in the dll.xml, it didn't make any difference.

[Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558]

If you change the Airbus A318 with the default FSX A320 what is the difference in framerate?

And what is your hardware? Laptop?