remelco 0 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Who can help with a valid route between EBBR and LIMC FL300 -350? I get Always an error that the flightlevel is not available on UQ343. AKASU is forbidden or AKASU is not on mandatory route ?? thanks in advance Rene Potter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarkko 39 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 When you "compute the flight" PFPX will automatically add step climbs (or descents) to comply with airway altitude restrictions. For the other errors, have a look here: http://forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?/topic/72444-cfmu-validation-errors-and-using-pfpx-auto-routing-to-fix-them/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remelco 0 Posted September 2, 2013 Author Share Posted September 2, 2013 Jarkkko, Even when i Compute flight the flight level errors occurs. for example: PROF194: BEGAR UQ343 ODINA is not available in FL range F245..F660 When I marked to avoid airway UQ343 it is still used in the flight plan? So, I do something wrong but what? Rene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick1246 352 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 use UQ* in the avoid field, UQ Airways are only avbl during night 2300 - 0400Z (summer), 0000 - 0500Z (winter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mneoud 1 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 use UQ* in the avoid field, UQ Airways are only avbl during night 2300 - 0400Z (summer), 0000 - 0500Z (winter) Hi Patrick, May i ask where you get this information, i searched on the internet for this kind of information but was not able to find this. Even at eurocontrol i was not able to find it. So any information you have would be much appreciated if you want to share it. Regards Rene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivermbs 1 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Try this route: F310 PITES UM150 KRH UN850 SOSON/F230 UN850 DEGAD/F190 Z710 AKASU or F350 PITES UM150 KRH/F310 UN850 SOSON/F230 UN850 DEGAD/F190 Z710 AKASU As patrick says, UQ343 is a CDR1 route which means it is only available at certain times. See here: http://ww1.jeppesen.com/documents/aviation/publications/cdr_eur.pdf Oliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remelco 0 Posted September 2, 2013 Author Share Posted September 2, 2013 Try this route: F310 PITES UM150 KRH UN850 SOSON/F230 UN850 DEGAD/F190 Z710 AKASU or F350 PITES UM150 KRH/F310 UN850 SOSON/F230 UN850 DEGAD/F190 Z710 AKASU As patrick says, UQ343 is a CDR1 route which means it is only available at certain times. See here: http://ww1.jeppesen.com/documents/aviation/publications/cdr_eur.pdf Oliver Hallo Oliver, I tried both options but get the error: Traffic via AKASU F215...F999 is on forbidden route ref[LS2107B] AKASU. When i try a route without AKASU the error is "non mandatory route" AKASU is needed?? Thanks for the routes. regards Rene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarkko 39 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Hmm... How can that be. The route clearly says that FL190 DEGAD onwards. That should be below FL215. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geckuz 11 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Hello, check the RAD here for this error http://www.cfmu.eurocontrol.int/RAD/1309/docs/E1_RAD_3_RADAN_LS_en.pdf It states: AKASU Only available and compulsory for traffic Between FL175 - FL215 Via SOSON With ARR LIMC LS2107 So AKASU is compulsory. Here you find the Route Avalaibility Document for all European Countries: http://www.cfmu.eurocontrol.int/RAD/ You select the Airac Cycle and you have a list divided by country. Usually you find a response to cfmu errors into these documents, or in the one named City Pair level capping. Furthermore, The correct format for altitude change enroute in the fpl is the following: PITES UM150 KRH/N460F310 UN850 SOSON/N400F230 UN850 DEGAD/N370F190 Z710 AKASU, so try this, but fill it in directly in the CFMU validation Window, because I noticed that if you paste the route in PFPX and rebuild it, it removes the enroute step climbs/descents. Regards, Stefano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamyJay 1 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Hallo Oliver, I tried both options but get the error: Traffic via AKASU F215...F999 is on forbidden route ref[LS2107B] AKASU. When i try a route without AKASU the error is "non mandatory route" AKASU is needed?? Thanks for the routes. regards Rene Hi Rene, the route Oli provided is from a OFP and not from the ICAO FPL. N0447F350 PITES UM150 KRH/N0441F310 UN850 SOSON/N0401F230 UN850 DEGAD/N0373F190 Z710 AKASU This is the same route but should work now let me know if not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlis 155 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 This one should do (a real Dispatcher or Pilot might correct me if I'm wrong): ROUS4Z ROUSY UT27 GTQ UN852 LASAT UN491 BEGAR/N0407F270 UL15 RIPUS UN850 DEGAD Z710 AKASU SRN1H You will still get two errors but you can disregard them. The first: LSLF1100 pointing to Begar, tells you that you are not allowed to fly across Begar towards LIMC above FL315. The second LF2239 tells you that the segment from GTQ to LASAT on UN852 is not available when you are flying towards BEGAR, except if you fly below FL275 and have departed from Belgium. So you simply file to be at BEGAR below FL275 and you meet both restrictions from the French and Swiss. Why the autovalidation does not understand that is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remelco 0 Posted September 2, 2013 Author Share Posted September 2, 2013 Hi Rene, the route Oli provided is from a OFP and not from the ICAO FPL. N0447F350 PITES UM150 KRH/N0441F310 UN850 SOSON/N0401F230 UN850 DEGAD/N0373F190 Z710 AKASU This is the same route but should work now let me know if not! Hi SamyJay, Nope same error. Forbidden route regards, Rene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfh 2 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 How about PITES UM150 UTABA UM738 LORLO UY740 GIGGI UM984 LUSIL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remelco 0 Posted September 2, 2013 Author Share Posted September 2, 2013 How about PITES UM150 UTABA UM738 LORLO UY740 GIGGI UM984 LUSIL The flight plan has passed CFMU Validation Thank you Rene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamyJay 1 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Hi SamyJay, Nope same error. Forbidden route regards, Rene Thanks Rene for your answer. Could be then a time restricted route - will check it later myself with different STDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikkelgh 5 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Hmm, there is a 44 % increase in distance travelled with the route above. I don't know how it is done in real life but I begin to believe this route may be operated below FL245. SONOS is mandatory as well as AKASU. Both must be flown belown FL195 (or 215 I can't remember). This is to keep arrivals to LIMC below [forgot the name] area control over the Zürich area. However I cannot find any routes above FL190 that a) does not increase distance excessively and b ) is above FL190. I managed to pull this one off and got it validated, which has a route flight level of 190 with a temporary climb to FL230 (or 240): LNO N852 GTQ V17 LUPEN/N0350F230 T711 DENEL/N0350F190 Y711 NATOR N850 DEGAD Z710 AKASU. I haven't checked the rules for using DCTs in the respective FIR/UIRs but it could possibly solve the problems with finding a more direct route above FL245. Best regards, Mikkel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamyJay 1 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 I am sure there is a valid route possible in the upper airspace as some airlines join the upper airspace on this route every day.I won't be able to provide a solution until tomorrow as I won't be home until tomorrow afternoon, sorry.Mit freundlichem Gruss / Best RegardsSamySent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikkelgh 5 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Ah, finally!! This one works: ROUSY UT27 GTQ/N0350F270 UN852 UN852 LASAT UN491 BEGAR UL15 RIPUS UN850 SOSON/N0350F210 N850 DEGAD/N0350F190 Z710 AKASU To the original poster: I don't think you can find a route for FL300-330. You can climb to that flight level with above route but already at GTQ you will have to be at FL270. Best regards, Mikkel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamyJay 1 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 I am pretty sure this is one valid route for level F330 or above. Will provide one next days.Mit freundlichem Gruss / Best RegardsSamySent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remelco 0 Posted September 2, 2013 Author Share Posted September 2, 2013 Ah, finally!! This one works: ROUSY UT27 GTQ/N0350F270 UN852 UN852 LASAT UN491 BEGAR UL15 RIPUS UN850 SOSON/N0350F210 N850 DEGAD/N0350F190 Z710 AKASU To the original poster: I don't think you can find a route for FL300-330. You can climb to that flight level with above route but already at GTQ you will have to be at FL270. Best regards, Mikkel Indeed this route is valid. But what Geckuz already said. Put the route directly in the CFMU validation windows. Otherwise it is not wordking. Thanks to all who was busy with this problem regards, Rene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikkelgh 5 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Missed that post - woops. Anyway, here is the return route: AOSTA UM729 MOLUS UN853 PENDU UL47 IXILU UN853 DIK UY37 BATTY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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