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Who can help with a valid route between EBBR and LIMC FL300 -350?

I get Always an error that the flightlevel is not available on UQ343.

AKASU is forbidden or AKASU is not on mandatory route ??

thanks in advance

Rene Potter

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Jarkkko,

Even when i Compute flight the flight level errors occurs.

for example: PROF194: BEGAR UQ343 ODINA is not available in FL range F245..F660

When I marked to avoid airway UQ343 it is still used in the flight plan?

So, I do something wrong but what?

Rene

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use UQ* in the avoid field, UQ Airways are only avbl during night 2300 - 0400Z (summer), 0000 -

0500Z (winter)

Hi Patrick,

May i ask where you get this information, i searched on the internet for this kind of information but was not able to find this. Even at eurocontrol i was not able to find it. So any information you have would be much appreciated if you want to share it.

Regards

Rene

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Try this route:

F310 PITES UM150 KRH UN850 SOSON/F230 UN850 DEGAD/F190 Z710 AKASU

or

F350 PITES UM150 KRH/F310 UN850 SOSON/F230 UN850 DEGAD/F190 Z710 AKASU

As patrick says, UQ343 is a CDR1 route which means it is only available at certain times.

See here: http://ww1.jeppesen.com/documents/aviation/publications/cdr_eur.pdf

Oliver

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Try this route:

F310 PITES UM150 KRH UN850 SOSON/F230 UN850 DEGAD/F190 Z710 AKASU

or

F350 PITES UM150 KRH/F310 UN850 SOSON/F230 UN850 DEGAD/F190 Z710 AKASU

As patrick says, UQ343 is a CDR1 route which means it is only available at certain times.

See here: http://ww1.jeppesen.com/documents/aviation/publications/cdr_eur.pdf

Oliver

Hallo Oliver,

I tried both options but get the error: Traffic via AKASU F215...F999 is on forbidden route ref[LS2107B] AKASU.

When i try a route without AKASU the error is "non mandatory route" AKASU is needed??

Thanks for the routes.

regards

Rene

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Hello,

check the RAD here for this error

http://www.cfmu.eurocontrol.int/RAD/1309/docs/E1_RAD_3_RADAN_LS_en.pdf

It states: AKASU

Only available and compulsory for traffic
Between FL175 - FL215
Via SOSON
With ARR LIMC
LS2107
So AKASU is compulsory.
Here you find the Route Avalaibility Document for all European Countries: http://www.cfmu.eurocontrol.int/RAD/
You select the Airac Cycle and you have a list divided by country. Usually you find a response to cfmu errors into these documents, or in the one named City Pair level capping.
Furthermore, The correct format for altitude change enroute in the fpl is the following:
PITES UM150 KRH/N460F310 UN850 SOSON/N400F230 UN850 DEGAD/N370F190 Z710 AKASU, so try this, but fill it in directly in the CFMU validation Window, because I noticed that if you paste the route in PFPX and rebuild it, it removes the enroute step climbs/descents.
Regards, Stefano
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Hallo Oliver,

I tried both options but get the error: Traffic via AKASU F215...F999 is on forbidden route ref[LS2107B] AKASU.

When i try a route without AKASU the error is "non mandatory route" AKASU is needed??

Thanks for the routes.

regards

Rene

Hi Rene,

the route Oli provided is from a OFP and not from the ICAO FPL.

N0447F350 PITES UM150 KRH/N0441F310 UN850 SOSON/N0401F230 UN850 DEGAD/N0373F190 Z710 AKASU

This is the same route but should work now :) let me know if not!

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This one should do (a real Dispatcher or Pilot might correct me if I'm wrong):

ROUS4Z ROUSY UT27 GTQ UN852 LASAT UN491 BEGAR/N0407F270 UL15 RIPUS UN850 DEGAD Z710 AKASU SRN1H
You will still get two errors but you can disregard them.
The first: LSLF1100 pointing to Begar, tells you that you are not allowed to fly across Begar towards LIMC above FL315.
The second LF2239 tells you that the segment from GTQ to LASAT on UN852 is not available when you are flying towards BEGAR, except if you fly below FL275 and have departed from Belgium.
So you simply file to be at BEGAR below FL275 and you meet both restrictions from the French and Swiss. Why the autovalidation does not understand that is another matter.
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Hi Rene,

the route Oli provided is from a OFP and not from the ICAO FPL.

N0447F350 PITES UM150 KRH/N0441F310 UN850 SOSON/N0401F230 UN850 DEGAD/N0373F190 Z710 AKASU

This is the same route but should work now :) let me know if not!

Hi SamyJay,

Nope same error. Forbidden route

regards,

Rene

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Hi SamyJay,

Nope same error. Forbidden route

regards,

Rene

Thanks Rene for your answer.

Could be then a time restricted route - will check it later myself with different STDs

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Hmm, there is a 44 % increase in distance travelled with the route above.

I don't know how it is done in real life but I begin to believe this route may be operated below FL245. SONOS is mandatory as well as AKASU. Both must be flown belown FL195 (or 215 I can't remember). This is to keep arrivals to LIMC below [forgot the name] area control over the Zürich area. However I cannot find any routes above FL190 that a) does not increase distance excessively and b ) is above FL190.

I managed to pull this one off and got it validated, which has a route flight level of 190 with a temporary climb to FL230 (or 240): LNO N852 GTQ V17 LUPEN/N0350F230 T711 DENEL/N0350F190 Y711 NATOR N850 DEGAD Z710 AKASU.

I haven't checked the rules for using DCTs in the respective FIR/UIRs but it could possibly solve the problems with finding a more direct route above FL245.

Best regards,

Mikkel

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I am sure there is a valid route possible in the upper airspace as some airlines join the upper airspace on this route every day.

I won't be able to provide a solution until tomorrow as I won't be home until tomorrow afternoon, sorry.

Mit freundlichem Gruss / Best Regards

Samy

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Ah, finally!! This one works:

ROUSY UT27 GTQ/N0350F270 UN852 UN852 LASAT UN491 BEGAR UL15 RIPUS UN850 SOSON/N0350F210 N850 DEGAD/N0350F190 Z710 AKASU
To the original poster: I don't think you can find a route for FL300-330. You can climb to that flight level with above route but already at GTQ you will have to be at FL270.
Best regards,
Mikkel
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Ah, finally!! This one works:

ROUSY UT27 GTQ/N0350F270 UN852 UN852 LASAT UN491 BEGAR UL15 RIPUS UN850 SOSON/N0350F210 N850 DEGAD/N0350F190 Z710 AKASU
To the original poster: I don't think you can find a route for FL300-330. You can climb to that flight level with above route but already at GTQ you will have to be at FL270.
Best regards,
Mikkel

Indeed this route is valid. But what Geckuz already said. Put the route directly in the CFMU validation windows. Otherwise it is not wordking.

Thanks to all who was busy with this problem

regards,

Rene

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