alpha117 51 Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 It followed the circle route, what have I not done!! Clive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remcos 1 Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Maybe cause the nav equipment om the aircraft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Kopp 3 Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 To me this looks like the perfect great circle route. I think following the tracks is much longer way. Greets Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamyJay 1 Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 And depending on the weather situation usually it saves a lot of time when not using the NATs on a flight from the West Coast to Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha117 51 Posted September 1, 2013 Author Share Posted September 1, 2013 OK, not sure how that affects the planning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha117 51 Posted September 1, 2013 Author Share Posted September 1, 2013 Guys, I'm now confused, I know it's not hard!!! I thought you had to follow a NATS track, when crossing the 'pond' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha117 51 Posted September 1, 2013 Author Share Posted September 1, 2013 ..and I've just watched the NATS video that Doug Snow posted to...arrh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philbrown 5 Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Route looks fine. It's what's called a Random Track - pretty much just a made up track. It is very unusal for a flight from Europe to US West Coast to go via the NAT system - the route would be significantly longer. They will pretty much always route Iceland/Greenland/Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESzczesniak 25 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 The NATs are a high volume/efficiency route. However, you do not need to fly a NAT to get across the Atlantic. There is an 8ish hour window when the NATs aren't even valid and no one flies them. They are primarily designed for Midwest-to-east coast USA to west-to-central Europe. Further west in the USA and further east in Europe will start to shift towards polar ops (not necessarily true polar, but in that direction) to approximate the great circle route. The great circle is the shortest distance between two points on a sphere (i.e. Earth). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamyJay 1 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 You may create two routes as a compare. Create one taking a random route far north of the NATs and create another one which goes over the mainland to the NATs. Usually the first route is shorter (NM) because of the earth curvature. Nevertheless the jetstream and other wind situations can effect this route as well. Coming back to one of your post: Nearly 95% of all flights coming from the US/CA Westcoast to Europe are not proceeding via the NATs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs Herman 1591 Posted September 2, 2013 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted September 2, 2013 Take a look at FlightAware or one of the other flight trackers to see what the actual routing is. I know the last time I flew EDDF to Vancouver, BC (CYVR) in real life, the great circle is what we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha117 51 Posted September 2, 2013 Author Share Posted September 2, 2013 many thanks all for all this information. So, How do I get it to route via NATS for a comparision? Clive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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