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Posted 01 February 2012 - 19:29

Got to be really careful here as anything said could be take out of context. There are however two comments we like to make on the release of GSX and the posts by Umberto about that product.
  • Umberto claims that Oliver would look at compatibility issues, but while Umberto has had full free access to AES all the time, Oliver did not have any access to GSX in the past. So just do not count on anything, while GSX claims some compatibility with AES we simply can not claim the same as we have the software not installed on any system.
  • We deplore that GSX uses the intelliscene configuration files without any discussion. Creating the interface to create those files was expensive and time consuming. To use those files (that are provided free of charge) without even giving full credits is just not nice. We hope Umberto will create his own interface for that or tell people he is using software created by others. We understand that this is bad for customers so we expect Umberto to choose the right option and to tell people without any unclarity that he is using software created by a competitor as a source for his own product.
The first issue is minor for us but might be an issue for customers, the second is a biggie for us but should not affect customer in any way. I like Umberto, he is a very clever and a very nice guy, we shared many beers. But there is no need to compete like he does. As said customers can make up their own mind.

We wish Umberto all the best with GSX. Honestly.
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#2 lindbergh72

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 20:58

Well said Mathijs..
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 21:22

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Mathijs,

I respectfully disagree with you (we known each other from such a long time, that we basically grew old together with Flight sim...) so you will not mind if I'm telling you are wrong this time.

1) Access to GSX pre-release.

Wrong comparison here, I never had any access to AES BEFORE it was released, so it would be unfair to compare a very different situation. Oliver will surely receive his free copy of GSX now that is out, although he surely can check it already if with all our airports, included AES interoperability, since all our airports also have AES... but, as I've said, he'll receive his free copy now, no problem.

2) Use of the intelliscene file.

We HAVE our own interface and file format to recognize and configure airplanes, which is way more complete and complex comparing to what the intelliscene file does, since it adds (for example) dedicated entires for catering doors, not just as mirrors of the main exit, so we can accomodate asymmetrical exits like in the 737, and we can specify custom code to recognize non-standard doors and ground connections and much more, it's a file format written *IN* the Python language, it doesn't have any similarity whatsoever with the standard .INI file format that it's used by AES, even conceptually.

GSX by default use that one, and this is what we prefer users will rely on.

But, you can't blame GSX for being able to read EXISTING intelliscene files that might be ALREADY in possession of users, which are just plain standard .INI files, and are only used as a 2nd best option, if the airplane in unknown to GSX.

In fact, recognizing the intelliscene format as a de-facto standard, is exactly the opposite of "competing" like you said, if we were trying to really compete, we would have introduced our own similar-but-slightly-different format, in Microsoft style, as when they "improve" the html format, in order to break a standard.
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 21:23

Thanks for keeping us informed :)
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 22:11

Keep the conversation going. This is what we needed a while ago. I'm not ditching AES for GSX but I am going to buy GSX. They do two different things IMHO. You guys must play nice and find a way for both products to coexist. The last thing we need is to reinvent the wheel every time a new product comes around. That was the beauty of AES - you didn't have to remember whether to use ctl-j, enter a frequency or some other stupid process to get the jetway moving. You set the parking brakes and it was done.

This is what I am asking as a customer of both companies. I want to buy more AES credits AND I want to buy GSX.
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 22:19

I REALLY hope this won't lead two fantastic companies into struggle. I'm using AES for a long time now and when I'm in the mood to run some big Metal, AES is always in the boat as it is a must for me together with big airports and big aircrafts. The new version also looks fantastic. I like the "localisation" with moving jetways and different spoken accents on some regions. I don't regret any AES credit I bought and I understand I have to pay for new airports as it is much work to do on those.So I also will support AES in the future.
On the other side, I tried GSX at the Hawaiian airports (I also own most FSDT destinations, as they are one of the best) and it looked really good. I like the look and the animation stuff but I will test arround with it. I think if I (or you, the companies) find a way to get both running side by side (AES for the big ones and GSX for the "not so supported" or the less important), it would be good for everyone. Since GSX stays a pay once product, I still can use some credits on AES if i like.
But I don't want to spend money on and on in two addons.

So peace to all and try to share the cake.
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 22:21

This is what I am asking as a customer of both companies. I want to buy more AES credits AND I want to buy GSX.


:glare_s: My words, duckbilled, just a few moments quicker...
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 05:54

Nah... long live AES :-)
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How can one claim GSX would use the intelliscene.cfg's if GSX is able to recognise all open doors even if an intelliscene.cfg is not existing in the root folder of an aircraft ???
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 17:39

How can one claim GSX would use the intelliscene.cfg's if GSX is able to recognise all open doors even if an intelliscene.cfg is not existing in the root folder of an aircraft ???


But, you can't blame GSX for being able to read EXISTING intelliscene files that might be ALREADY in possession of users, which are just plain standard .INI files, and are only used as a 2nd best option, if the airplane in unknown to GSX.


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Posted 02 February 2012 - 21:28

Hi,

For me this topic is a "non issue". Because GSX isn't compatible with FS2004. And as long FsDreamTeam isn't making a FS2004 version, I cannot say anything about the program. And, Oliver is still expanding the AES version with goodies, so AES is still the best I have ever bought for FS2004.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 22:17

So far I think both can live together in harmony. So far the custom settings of AES is much better then the average GSX system, so I will continue getting credits for AES, but you guys should take a good look at GSX, some of the features are real nice. The animated baggage crews for example. :)

On the other hand, GSX is great when you arrive at a non AES airport, it's always nice to see ground crews when you arrive. :)
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 10:08

For sure GSX is for FSDT-Airports a nice thing. It's free and the animated jetways work perfect.

The animation of FSDT's ground-crew is very good, but I'm sure, Oliver's AES will be the same, or even better, if he's finished with his overhaul of AES. The new animations of AES 2.21 are very promising. And for sure he will complete this with a baggage car.

But Oliver must work hard. There are some details in which FSDT is better. During FSDT pushback the airplane's wheels are rotating and the front landing gear is turning during curves. FSDT's Follow Me comes driven from far away and doesn't pop-up suddenly. And seeing which gate is occupied and which one is free is also nice.

On the other hand Olivers jetways work perfect on every airport he supports. And his parking helps (sorry, don't know the exact word) are convincing. Also his car-tracks in curves are unreached until now.

Is it an advantage that GSX works on every FS-standard airport??? I'm not sure. Honestly, is it really a joy to drive a plane from the gate to the runway and vice versa on a standard airport??? No, not at all - for me. AES was designed for the ambitious amateur who wants a 100 % real flight from start-up to shut-down. And those people don't use FS-standard-airports or sub-mediocre freeware or payware airports. They use good payware and freeware, and for those airports AES is aimed for and those airports are supported by AES. Only exception at the moment are ORBX's big airports!! ORBX don't allow AES on their airports, so here GSX is the only possibility.

I will support Oliver's AES further on. I have buyed lots of credits, so I don't want to waste them. And besides that, he is a nice guy. And Australia?? I have most of ORBX's australian airports. But at the moment I only fly there VFR with small airplanes. For jets I prefer good old Europe and for them I have AES and I don't need GSX here.

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 13:30

" And those people don't use FS-standard-airports or sub-mediocre freeware or payware airports. They use good payware and freeware, and for those airports AES is aimed for and those airports are supported by AES. Only exception at the moment are ORBX's big airports!! ORBX don't allow AES on their airports, so here GSX is the only possibility."

There are quite a lot of good freeware and payware addons which don't have AES support. Either the developer don't want it, they use some kind of technique which is not compatible, or Oliver just haven't had the time.
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 13:30

I have neither AES nor GSX, but both addons look stunning and I'm not sure if to get one of them. Whether a wheel is turning or not, is not important for me. In my opinion the advantage of GSX is, that it's free for every FSDT airport. E.g. for Aerosofts Mega Airports, you have to buy credits. Furthermore, purchasing GSX means to enjoy those ground services on ANY airport, there is no addon needed. Some people might have 50+ addon airports, but that's just a fraction of all the airports on the world so it would be a nice thing to land whereever you want and see the follow-me car coming.
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 14:10

I have neither AES nor GSX, but both addons look stunning and I'm not sure if to get one of them


Both addons can be tested free on chosen airports with full functionality.
So just give them a try and follow what your taste/preferences tell you.
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 16:47

To me, they are close to not even being competitors (GSX and AES I mean).

Unless compatibility is added between the two products, this is what I (and Im sure many others) will use :
- GSX for deafault airports that will never get AES-compatibility
-AES for all add-no airports that don't have a jetway moving with CTRL-J.

The only choice comes with FSDT's airports, and even then I think AES is the winner for two very important reasons :
- More fluid jetway movements.
- Both cargo entries (front and back) are being used.

Considering both AES and GSX offer an animated catering service (man rolling trolleys onto aircraft), the only real advantage for GSX comes with the animated baggage loaders. But if this is corrected with AES NG, there would be no reason to use GSX anywhere else than at default airport.

This is just my personal opinion, but AES will continue to get my money. Let's not forget out FS9 simmers out there who are still a very big part of the community, and they will all continue to use AES.
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 17:03

Furthermore, purchasing GSX means to enjoy those ground services on ANY airport, there is no addon needed. Some people might have 50+ addon airports, but that's just a fraction of all the airports on the world so it would be a nice thing to land whereever you want and see the follow-me car coming.


I'm in the same situation than you and that's the reason i think i'll buy gsx... i don't have enough money to buy all airports i might like flying into...
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 18:44

Both addons can be tested free on chosen airports with full functionality.
So just give them a try and follow what your taste/preferences tell you.


I think that's what I'm gonna do. I have 2 FSDT Airports so I can test GSX there. But where can I test AES for free? On the 0 credit Airports? (e.g. Corfu)
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Posted 03 February 2012 - 19:03

Yes you can try AES on 0 credit airports see: http://www.aerosoft....esairports.html for a full list.
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 21:34

GSX doesn't seem to have docking systems with related boards and not even moving fingers. Further, no remote control from a second computer. For the moment I am stuck on AES...
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 09:18

Just wait to see what Oliver will come up with... I think it will be better than GSX, with all the respect for FSDT's work.
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Posted 05 February 2012 - 20:41

After using both, I like AES better. Any airport that has AES I will keep as is. I am just going to use GSX at stuff like Blueprint and the like. If Oliver can get the tugs with the baggage cars and simulate them loading the cargo bins that will be icing on the cake. Thats the only thing AES does not have that I would love to see.
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 03:32

B777, I think I am in the same boat. AES where available and GSX where there is no AES.
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 05:24

GSX doesn't seem to have docking systems with related boards and not even moving fingers. Further, no remote control from a second computer. For the moment I am stuck on AES...

GSX is very new, there are lots comming down the pipe for updates and improvements. Time is needed, and we all know most developers has a "teething" session with all new products.
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 21:37

I think the should be a good chance for teaming up these two great products.

AES is unique in animating jetways and GSX has great potential in custom animations - even on standard airports.

It would be great if both products could be changed in a way to cooperate and used together (could be a win/win for both) - looking in the different forums thats what a majority of users would like to have

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 06:29

I think the should be a good chance for teaming up these two great products.

AES is unique in animating jetways and GSX has great potential in custom animations - even on standard airports.

It would be great if both products could be changed in a way to cooperate and used together (could be a win/win for both) - looking in the different forums thats what a majority of users would like to have

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I agree with you, both products have great features, and if both products work together it will be awesome. I plan on supporting both GSX and AES because they both bring things into the sim that the other one does not have for example GSX does not support Jetways like AES yet, and AES does not realisticly turn the nose wheel like GSX does on push back. And its for that simple fact that i will continue to use both products also AES supports jetway movement at FlyTampa and other sceneries that don't employ FSX default jetways. Personally i think it should be up to the end user if they weather they want to use GSX and AES together or separately. not the developer.
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 16:44

Both products work together very nicely, provided you're using an aircraft that is defined internally by GSX. If you want to use the GSX luggage loader, for example, just disable the rear cargo door in AES and you'll still get the loader for the front door. Same with the left rear airstairs... If you prefer the GSX model, just disable that door in AES.

Note that this won't work if GSX has to read the intelliscene file for the door data
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Posted 09 February 2012 - 17:34

Both products work together very nicely, provided you're using an aircraft that is defined internally by GSX. If you want to use the GSX luggage loader, for example, just disable the rear cargo door in AES and you'll still get the loader for the front door. Same with the left rear airstairs... If you prefer the GSX model, just disable that door in AES.

Note that this won't work if GSX has to read the intelliscene file for the door data


Good thinking - particularly as GSX is supporting lot's of aircraft types by now (and I LOVE those AES Jetways!!).

Gotta try this...

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 01:33

Good day friends.

I just tried GSX for free on an FSDT airport. I do not see the need for this if all you want is to see baggage loaded. It is very nice to see but not a great selling point if you already have AES. The catering trucks show real names on the trucks. I do not know for sure if this is true for each region of the world. I thought I did see that on the FSDT web site. I did a test using the PMDG 737NGX. I went to the AES config and disabled the cargo doors and left rear door. There is a sequence of events to be followed by GSX to get a couple of things going. The first thing I did was open the cargo doors after I disabled them in AES. Only the rear cargo loader showed up to load the luggage. In the manual it states the loaders are according to Plane weight and passengers loaded. I only had 113 passengers loaded thru fspassengers so I only had one loader and one baggage truck with three cars. Not a big deal in my view. I did not try a heavy to see if there was a difference. The sequence of events are not hard to follow or understand just read the document and your fine. However I was not careful to make sure in the GSX menu to make sure all doors were closed. Once I took off I got the error message from the co-pilot we needed to land. All doors were closed upon inspection but in the GSX program it was not. This did create the problem within fspassengers. Knowing this you just need to be careful when using the GSX interface.

Is this a program for me? No. Only because it is almost 40 U.S.D. To pay that with AES showing it is updating and with a luggage car and loader is not worth it. With GSX you get free updates and GSX works with all airports once bought, however with AES updating is it worth it for you. AES can be used for both flight sims and GSX cannot. I might have to buy more credits for AES if I ever run out with I have left for new airports but I have peace of mind that it works for both my flight sims no matter where I put the new credits key. If GSX would work with all airports with moving jetways for default or payware with the updates at the price it is listed I would be all over it. The fact that it does not move the jetways is not a selling point for myself. I think for now I will stick with AES because I know AES is being updated with more features and I will wait until then. It will take more to just see luggage being loaded to spend alsmost 40 dollars. I will pass. I did fine so far without that feature so I will do fine now untill AES updates. I am sure AES is getting a ton of Ideas and request from people so let just wait and see.

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#31 lindbergh72

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 07:05

If FSDT was smart they would have make it for FS9 as well... I'm sure it can be done. I will never fly fsx. I hope that Oliver will make AES for XP10..
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:12

If FSDT was smart they would have make it for FS9 as well... I'm sure it can be done. I will never fly fsx. I hope that Oliver will make AES for XP10..

That will never happen. I think you will find over the next 12 months FS9 dev support will lessen considerably, as more people opt for more advanced addons like the up coming T7 from PMDG. Now that we know that Flight is a dead duck, a lot of people will move to FSX, which is the best sim to date. Reality i'm afraid.
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:26

you will find over the next 12 months FS9 dev support will lessen considerably

FSX, which is the best sim to date


Oh, please, I've read this BS 1000 times for the last few years...
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 12:03

That will never happen. I think you will find over the next 12 months FS9 dev support will lessen considerably, as more people opt for more advanced addons like the up coming T7 from PMDG. Now that we know that Flight is a dead duck, a lot of people will move to FSX, which is the best sim to date. Reality i'm afraid.


Nonsense.... There are lot of FS9 users out there. XP10 is the future, FSX is dying...basta !
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 12:06

Oh, please, I've read this BS 1000 times for the last few years...


And it hasn't become untrue... :-)
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Let's leave this FS9-is-dying utter BS and stay on topic, which is GSX.
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 12:20

Nonsense.... There are lot of FS9 users out there. FSX is dying...basta !

Lets leave this FSX is dying BS.. What is Basta mean, did you miss the rd on the end or did you spill a hot coffe on your lap!!
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 14:13

Lets leave this FSX is dying BS.. What is Basta mean, did you miss the rd on the end or did you spill a hot coffe on your lap!!


No, basta means "that's it" or final :-) :blowbubble_s:

and yes, let's stop this fight regarding FS9 vs. X :argue_s:
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Posted 12 February 2012 - 01:33

Lets stay on topic about GSX... I agree
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Lets stay on topic about GSX... I agree

On an AES forum :)
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