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#1 Finn

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 18:00

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POPULAR POST!

We are currently working on enhancing the Airbus X to what will become Airbus X V2.

NOTE!!
We are in the very very early stage of developement.
The following screenshots are what they are, simply work in progress.
Don't start to post about the garbled ext on the right side, font sizes or what so ever.

What we plan to add/enhance:
- Totally new MCDU with SID/STAR etc.
- New Autopilot to go with the new MCDU, including correct VNAV simulation
- New custom coded FBW system
- Misc. bug fixes as found by the community

The MCDU will become a large step ahead of the current MCDU.

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#2 mopperle

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 18:12

Good to here that the work is going on !

What I would recommend, pin it on top, keep it up-to-date, but close this thread to avoid countless questions. ;)
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 18:35

Hey,
thanks for the Info for this version :)
Many people will be happy about this :)
Thank you :)
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 18:57

Fantastic news, I can't thank you guys enough for this!
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 19:11

I like this new approach, I think it is the right decision and hopefully will give good results!
If these gaps in MCDU, FBW will be covered then the product itself will be sufficiently advanced for most part of the users and will not interfere with FSLabs version (in terms of price and simulation).
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 20:58

Sorry Finn, if this is a stupid question but i couldn't read from your post if this is part of the "airbus x advanced" or part of an update for the existing airbus x ?
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 22:02

Superb! just what ive been waiting for, anyone any ideas if this is going to be a payable upgrade etc?
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 22:08

Is this going to be a new product or an upgrade to Airbus X?
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 22:51

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#10 Finn

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 23:31

This will become the Airbus X advanced, but please note that itīs too early to give more details right now.

Iīm not the one who decide how this will be dealed with money wise, so I better let Mathijs explain that once he his back.

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 03:47

Great news! Looking forward to this. :)
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 06:32

Bravo - Bravo et encore bravo ........................:rolleyes:
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 08:22

Sorry Finn, if this is a stupid question but i couldn't read from your post if this is part of the "airbus x advanced" or part of an update for the existing airbus x ?


Both! weīll offer this as a separate product next to the more basic Airbus, but weīll also offer a low cost update for user of the current Airbus. We think it will offer a nice learning curve to many users. We often see that the step between the default aircraft and the high end add-on aircraft is too large for many users.
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 11:06

Both! weīll offer this as a separate product next to the more basic Airbus, but weīll also offer a low cost update for user of the current Airbus. We think it will offer a nice learning curve to many users. We often see that the step between the default aircraft and the high end add-on aircraft is too large for many users.


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Posted 16 February 2011 - 12:28

Hi Mathjis,
can you say something about the price for the owners of the Airbus X??
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 13:08

is it will be for basic airbus x ?


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Posted 16 February 2011 - 14:07

Nice newz, thanks for inform us.
But I am little disappoint about Aerosoft (support, bugs).
I hope that you would make good FMC and flight performance.
So, when V2 become realese, I will not buy immedietly, I will read and read...read many reviews.... then I will decide buy or not buy.
I wish happy coding to Aerosoft.
I also waitnig PMDG 737, I hope that they will not disappoint us.





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Posted 16 February 2011 - 14:37

This appears to be good news...I think the naysayers are going to quiet down now! :lol:

Still wondering if the A319 is coming as part of this package?


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#19 Alexander Barger

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 15:03

Good to see - looking forward to it  :D
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 15:38

Now your talking Finn!!! ;)

Take your time do things well, I'm sure a lot of people are looking forward to this...

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 16:01

Very nice to see development is going further! :)
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 17:15

Now your talking Finn!!! ;)

Take your time do things well, I'm sure a lot of people are looking forward to this...

Thanks,
David Di Domizio


I have not replied alot for a time in this forum, mostly because I rather wnat to sepnd my time developing than answering the same questions over and over again, cause that only counterproductive to my work elsewhere.

If You look closly to the posts made they all deal with CTD's, Nose dip during approach and missing MCDU/Autopilot features.
These have been answered by me numerous times and I donīt want to keep on cut and paste the same answers.

Bad customer support ? - maybe, but what does repeating answers help ?

As You can see here, we actually have read Your posts and know what bother our custumers, therefore we work on this update/upgrade.

Hoe You now better understand what's going on with the Airbus X :)

Just note that a fully simulated down to the smaller parts of an Airbus will not happen. Not with Airbus X 'Advanced' nor with any other upcomming Airbus. My point is that it simply canīt be done.
Imagine that thsi would mean a full replica of the real Airbus avionics software, wich would have to run alongside FSX with itīs scenery and weather plus other Ai aircraft etc. and that on a home PC.


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Posted 16 February 2011 - 17:35

great News,

do you have any date for the relase ?

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 17:57

How are the chances of including the A319 (and A318) in Version 2? :wub:

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 18:00

I want to see A330 and the A340 :)
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 18:48

Bravo, Aerosoft, these are very very good news.

I think Aerosoft gives a very strong feedback to the customers and to the community (look at these open forums, for instance).

So, thanks a lot again. The Airbus X is already a big plane, now I'm sure it will be betwen the greatest.

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 20:38

I hope that you don't repeat former errors
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 21:27

great News,

do you have any date for the relase ?

regards ,

Jules


Nope....

No timeline here...


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Posted 17 February 2011 - 00:12

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 01:08

OMG! What a relief!

I just hope the simple stuff is sorted like no longer starting up using the default cessna, switching of ELAC systems to land the plane and basically tip toeing around this aircraft to minimise the possibility of a CTD.

Believe me I'm not moaning, I just can't wait for a brilliant product to work properly and enjoy more than I already do!

Come on Aerosoft, you can do it!
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 05:55

OMG! What a relief!

I just hope the simple stuff is sorted like no longer starting up using the default cessna, switching of ELAC systems to land the plane and basically tip toeing around this aircraft to minimise the possibility of a CTD.

Believe me I'm not moaning, I just can't wait for a brilliant product to work properly and enjoy more than I already do!

Come on Aerosoft, you can do it!


Using the standard startup situation will still be necessary, just like for al other high end addons - thats a FSX limitation.
Since the FBW system will be custom coded, nose dip issue should be solved.
The new MCDU code means that we no longer will use the GPSModule wich is causing the CTDīs - so hopefully the new MCDU wonīt cause CTD's either ;)

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 09:55

Good to see development on the upgrade package. Looking forward to see if the enhancements and improvements to the flight model and systems are on a par with the amazing aircraft modelling and texturing you all did for the basic package. If so, I believe many will return to using AirbusX, myself included...

May I make a small comment though. You stated, "Just note that a fully simulated down to the smaller parts of an Airbus will not happen. Not with Airbus X 'Advanced' nor with any other upcomming Airbus. My point is that it simply canīt be done."

Of course, a simulation engine that is essentially a game is never going to fulfil all the requirements of a full motion 100% aircraft simulation as found in commercial aviation training such as LFT and so on. FSX is not that far away from this in certain areas, as PMDG and a few others (A2A in their accusim projects) have demonstrated a lot. Call me an idealist, but I really do not believe that people here expect a 100% simulation of any commercial or whatever aircraft. There are a number of developers that have shown that "it can't be done" is a dangerous statement, Aerosoft included...

There is quite a difference between "it can't be done" and "we can't do it", though many developers may not like to admit that they cannot do things.

I'll be looking forward to seeing the development of the advanced package and, as an early and subsequently somewhat miffed and disappointed buyer of the basic AirbusX, would hope that I can add the advanced package to the basic Bus.

I have faith that Aerosoft has taken the comments and criticism to heart and will provide an addon package to the AirbusX that is worthy of the Aerosoft name. As Mathijs has mentioned in another context, there is alway a reputation on the line, particularly when releases perhaps do not go quite as hoped or planned.

I wish you all the best in the development and testing phases and look forward to seeing the fruits and blinding reviews!

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 10:19

Using the standard startup situation will still be necessary, just like for al other high end addons - thats a FSX limitation.
Since the FBW system will be custom coded, nose dip issue should be solved.
The new MCDU code means that we no longer will use the GPSModule wich is causing the CTDīs - so hopefully the new MCDU wonīt cause CTD's either ;)

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Believe me Finn, if starting up using the default cessna is all I need to do then I'm happy as a pig in.... Well you know!

I just wonder what comparison will now be sewn between airbus x and the upgrade coming out shortly for the wilco airbus series called 'evolution' costing Ģ16.56.

Hopefully aerosoft will be a bit more reasonable with the price what with airbus x only being half the model that wilco is before the upgrade?

Before anyone gets upset with the half the model, I simple mean in regards to FBW and MCDU systems. Don't forget I still love Airbus X.


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#34 Finn

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 10:28

Good to see development on the upgrade package. Looking forward to see if the enhancements and improvements to the flight model and systems are on a par with the amazing aircraft modelling and texturing you all did for the basic package. If so, I believe many will return to using AirbusX, myself included...

May I make a small comment though. You stated, "Just note that a fully simulated down to the smaller parts of an Airbus will not happen. Not with Airbus X 'Advanced' nor with any other upcomming Airbus. My point is that it simply can´t be done."

Of course, a simulation engine that is essentially a game is never going to fulfil all the requirements of a full motion 100% aircraft simulation as found in commercial aviation training such as LFT and so on. FSX is not that far away from this in certain areas, as PMDG and a few others (A2A in their accusim projects) have demonstrated a lot. Call me an idealist, but I really do not believe that people here expect a 100% simulation of any commercial or whatever aircraft. There are a number of developers that have shown that "it can't be done" is a dangerous statement, Aerosoft included...

There is quite a difference between "it can't be done" and "we can't do it", though many developers may not like to admit that they cannot do things.

I'll be looking forward to seeing the development of the advanced package and, as an early and subsequently somewhat miffed and disappointed buyer of the basic AirbusX, would hope that I can add the advanced package to the basic Bus.

I have faith that Aerosoft has taken the comments and criticism to heart and will provide an addon package to the AirbusX that is worthy of the Aerosoft name. As Mathijs has mentioned in another context, there is alway a reputation on the line, particularly when releases perhaps do not go quite as hoped or planned.

I wish you all the best in the development and testing phases and look forward to seeing the fruits and blinding reviews!

Andrew


Ok then let´s say "We here at Aerosoft can´t do it"..

But note that PMDG makes Boeing aircraft, wich are alot simpler when it comes to avionics and software.
Try to read the realworld manual, just for the ECAM system and You will see how much more complex the Airbus is.

Have You ever asked Yourself why PMDG haven´t made an Airbus, considering how big the demand from the FS community is ?
I´m sure that would have ade a much better business making an Airbus than the much less known MD-11.

Just because a Boeing can be simulated down to near realistic detail does not mean that the same can be done for an Airbus.
What seperates Boeings from Airbusses are FBW, FADEC and alot more automation and feedback on aircraft systems.

If a aircraft system fails on the Airbus, You not only get a warning or caution on the ECAM displays, but also a comprehensive check list on how to isolate the problem as well as how to restore it.
There is really a reason why no one has done a detailed Airbus for Flight Simulator and that those who tried ultimatly failed.

An Airliner is not just an Airliner.

Whether FSLabs will be able to make what You wish for has still to be shown.
Other than an announcement that they are planning to make one, nothing else has been said or shown.


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Can't wait to see the result ! Good job Aerosoft ...
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:27

Ok then letīs say "We here at Aerosoft canīt do it"..

But note that PMDG makes Boeing aircraft, wich are alot simpler when it comes to avionics and software.
Try to read the realworld manual, just for the ECAM system and You will see how much more complex the Airbus is.

Have You ever asked Yourself why PMDG havenīt made an Airbus, considering how big the demand from the FS community is ?
Iīm sure that would have ade a much better business making an Airbus than the much less known MD-11.

Just because a Boeing can be simulated down to near realistic detail does not mean that the same can be done for an Airbus.
What seperates Boeings from Airbusses are FBW, FADEC and alot more automation and feedback on aircraft systems.

If a aircraft system fails on the Airbus, You not only get a warning or caution on the ECAM displays, but also a comprehensive check list on how to isolate the problem as well as how to restore it.
There is really a reason why no one has done a detailed Airbus for Flight Simulator and that those who tried ultimatly failed.

An Airliner is not just an Airliner.

Whether FSLabs will be able to make what You wish for has still to be shown.
Other than an announcement that they are planning to make one, nothing else has been said or shown.


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Why do I get the feeling that you have totally misunderstood me Finn?

Your response reads as a person who feels attacked, and that was DEFINITELY NOT my intention...

If you look closely at my post I am wishing you all the best for the development of the advanced project. I use the analogy of PMDG/A2A and so on purely as a means of stating that the phrase "it cannot be done" has often been proved wrong. I do not doubt for one minute the complexity of the A32S series, or any Airbus for that matter and have read large portions of the real world FCOMs and even talked to a couple of A320 pilots about various handling aspects.
PMDG have done aircraft to date, to which they have a direct link... The JS41 was Robert Randazzo's chariot before he moved onto jets as a pilot, and PMDG has an industrial partnership with Boeing. I do not wish to speculate as to why PMDG has not approached the A32X or any other Airbus for that matter. That is their issue... I also wouldn't say that Boeings are simpler than Airbus per se...different, yes...
Also, have a look at the MD11(X) failure module and how the consequences of not acting correctly can lead to additional systems shutdown or failure...

Fact of the matter is, Aerosoft tackled the A320. The first offering looks like the A320/1, an excellent graphical rendition, if not the best graphical rendition on the market even (though I haven't compared the various models on offer directly with each other, not that I would care...). However, the first offering does not handle like an A320. I hope this handling aspect will be improved, such that it more closely resembles the FBW concept of Airbus. An exact replica of the flight model will indeed be difficult. Time will tell if any developer ever manages to get that behaviour correct. If it does turn out to be totally impossible, then so be it.
The list of additions and fixes you have posted so far certainly looks inviting and I will repeat myself here in wishing you and the rest of the Aerosoft team all the best in the development, testing, and release to market of what we hope to be a definitive package in A320 simulation for FSX.

I am certainly looking forward to seeing it!

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:17

Why do I get the feeling that you have totally misunderstood me Finn?

Your response reads as a person who feels attacked, and that was DEFINITELY NOT my intention...

If you look closely at my post I am wishing you all the best for the development of the advanced project. I use the analogy of PMDG/A2A and so on purely as a means of stating that the phrase "it cannot be done" has often been proved wrong. I do not doubt for one minute the complexity of the A32S series, or any Airbus for that matter and have read large portions of the real world FCOMs and even talked to a couple of A320 pilots about various handling aspects.
PMDG have done aircraft to date, to which they have a direct link... The JS41 was Robert Randazzo's chariot before he moved onto jets as a pilot, and PMDG has an industrial partnership with Boeing. I do not wish to speculate as to why PMDG has not approached the A32X or any other Airbus for that matter. That is their issue... I also wouldn't say that Boeings are simpler than Airbus per se...different, yes...
Also, have a look at the MD11(X) failure module and how the consequences of not acting correctly can lead to additional systems shutdown or failure...

Fact of the matter is, Aerosoft tackled the A320. The first offering looks like the A320/1, an excellent graphical rendition, if not the best graphical rendition on the market even (though I haven't compared the various models on offer directly with each other, not that I would care...). However, the first offering does not handle like an A320. I hope this handling aspect will be improved, such that it more closely resembles the FBW concept of Airbus. An exact replica of the flight model will indeed be difficult. Time will tell if any developer ever manages to get that behaviour correct. If it does turn out to be totally impossible, then so be it.
The list of additions and fixes you have posted so far certainly looks inviting and I will repeat myself here in wishing you and the rest of the Aerosoft team all the best in the development, testing, and release to market of what we hope to be a definitive package in A320 simulation for FSX.

I am certainly looking forward to seeing it!

Andrew


I did not take Your post as an attack.

I just wanted to explain how much different the Airbusses are relative to other Airliners - nothing more.

I´m just trying to keep the "hype" down for the Airbus implementation into FSX, cause FSX is really not up for the task simulating the Airbus way of doing things. Infact we are hitting some real limitation of FSX trying to do so.

And believe me there is a distinct difference between Boeing 737NG's and Airbusses. Boeings are much simpler when it comes to flight control and handling of caution/warnings.

Just look on the cockpit arrangement.
In Boeings You ahve a large Yoke in front of You, cause it is meant to be controlled that way much more than an Airbus, where the sidestick is hidden away in a corner.

In a Boeing You need to configure fuel, electrical etc. manually. In an Airbus You hardly need to touch the overhead under normal circumstances.
This fact alone means that there is a much greater need to have systems to keep the pilots updated on system states as well as how to handle them manually if they fail.

I rarely feel attacked by forum posts, I just feel the need to try to explain people that there is a huge difference between Being and Airbus philosofy, reflected by the sheer extend of software running in an Airbus, cause alot of people don´t seem to recon that, but regard and Airliner with 4 displays and an overhead equal to another aircraft producers Airliner seemingly equipped with the same.

Jus try to compare the documnets between a Boeing 737 and a Airbus 32X here:
-Boeing 737NG: http://www.smartcock...ne/boeing/B737/
-Airbus 32X: http://www.smartcock...ne/airbus/A320/

Now look on what FSX has to offer Boeing wise versus Airbus wise and I´m sure that You can see what I´m trying to tell.


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Finn
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:31

Hi Finn,
is there any information about new models like a330 and a340 or a319 and a318?
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 13:06

Hi Finn,
is there any information about new models like a330 and a340 or a319 and a318?


For now we only talk about upgrading the current A320/321.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 13:16

Ok thanks for the infos :)
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