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#1 Mathijs Kok

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 17:07

I got to apologize for sending low detail images into the forum for a new project. There were commercial reasons that forced me to announce the project a few days before we were actually ready to do so. The images we posted are okay for a low poly AI model (and that model will be used for other projects as static). Below you find images of the actual file we are working with. This amazing modeling is done by a new friend of Aerosoft, Charles Gunter (not to be mixed up with our Project Manager Guenter Zehnel!). Charles is a young modeler who is carving himself a reputation with solid and very advanced work. He's a professional who is fully trained on the latest modeling tools. His Bell 205 Huey is superbly detailed, yet highly optimized so though we most likely need to drop some of the smallest details we will be able to make this a smooth and highly detailed project.

The model from Charles will be made into a FSX project by Joachim Schweigler (as his superb glider projects is on hold he got time) and as the project progresses we'll be able to give other well known names who will help us on this project. Clearly this project is intended as a follow up on the Seahawk but how it will be done is not fully determined. The Vietnam era model shown below certainly is part of it, but we also would like to expand it to more modern 205 (they still fly everywhere) after all. Your idea in this are welcome.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 17:24

Very nice Mathijs, ooops...I just slid in my drool!
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 17:44

QUOTE (Nick C @ Jun 18 2008, 19:24 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Very nice Mathijs, ooops...I just slid in my drool!


Same here...used to fly them in the military (in the back! laugh.gif ). Canīt wait to see more pictures! Can we also get a model with German Army (Heer) on it?
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 17:49

QUOTE (HBukovac @ Jun 18 2008, 18:44 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Same here...used to fly them in the military (in the back! laugh.gif ). Canīt wait to see more pictures! Can we also get a model with German Army (Heer) on it?


If you used to fly them you are my new best friend! Could you contact me on support@aerosoft.com?
But yes, think we will do a German one for sure.
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 18:08

QUOTE (Mathijs Kok (Aerosoft) @ Jun 18 2008, 18:49 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you used to fly them you are my new best friend! Could you contact me on support@aerosoft.com?
But yes, think we will do a German one for sure.

Itīs an honor to be your new best friend. But I was just a passenger. Like I said in the back!
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 18:30

Oh, now don't get me started on versions of a B205 that I want!!!! rolleyes.gif laugh.gif

OK. I'll limit myself to two. One possible, one probably not so... A Dust-off Huey H is the possible one. An earlier 'B' model or similar, probably less so. A 'clean' slick model would do me fine, however...

Looks superb.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 20:01

Awsome looking model!
I am definatly getting this one!
Now I just have to learn how to fly helos. rolleyes.gif
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 20:13

QUOTE (Cris B. @ Jun 18 2008, 22:01 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Awsome looking model!
I am definatly getting this one!
Now I just have to learn how to fly helos. rolleyes.gif


DITTO For me as well
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 21:51

I thought I had run across that name on the web, same guy?

http://www.charlesgunter3d.com/


Impressive model and details as is, perfect for rendering/animations with the movie studios/poser/carrara/etc but lots of unnecessary detail for an FS model that can be duplicated with textures and the normal maps. Look forward to seeing the final results!

I could actually use this model in a project I am working on in Vray, LOL
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 03:34

Mathijs,
As I stated in the low rez post, my father flew these Hueys extensively in Vietnam, logging hundreds + hours. In fact, it is safe to say he was one of the best pilots ever of this copter and was often selected to fly top brass and visiting stars (he has a picture of himself with Gypsy Rose Lee when she entertained the troops, LOL).
I'm sure he would be glad to help out, let me know if you are interested and I will put you in touch.
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 06:47

QUOTE (MCDesigns @ Jun 18 2008, 22:51 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I thought I had run across that name on the web, same guy?

http://www.charlesgunter3d.com/


Impressive model and details as is, perfect for rendering/animations with the movie studios/poser/carrara/etc but lots of unnecessary detail for an FS model that can be duplicated with textures and the normal maps. Look forward to seeing the final results!

I could actually use this model in a project I am working on in Vray, LOL


We'll need to simplify a bit for sure. But keep in mind that all that's done in bitmaps or bumps will not shade. So a real 3d object, if it can be afforded regarding performance, is always better. In the H-1, F-16 and this project we really experiment with maximum modeling. In other project (like the Catalina) it's framerates that rule.
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 06:48

QUOTE (Ripmaster @ Jun 19 2008, 04:34 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mathijs,
As I stated in the low rez post, my father flew these Hueys extensively in Vietnam, logging hundreds + hours. In fact, it is safe to say he was one of the best pilots ever of this copter and was often selected to fly top brass and visiting stars (he has a picture of himself with Gypsy Rose Lee when she entertained the troops, LOL).
I'm sure he would be glad to help out, let me know if you are interested and I will put you in touch.


For sure, but let's wait a few weeks until we got something running in FSX.
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 08:10

I just hope you guys make it work as good as it looks. I've seen some great models with some awful systems.

Great modeling. Can't wait to see the final result.
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 11:12

I'll assume this level of detail is only available in an FSX model. Which I don't plan on installing (FSX) again

Are there plans for an FS2004 model also? This I would gladly cater too wink.gif
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 15:23

QUOTE (Mathijs Kok (Aerosoft) @ Jun 19 2008, 06:48 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For sure, but let's wait a few weeks until we got something running in FSX.


Mathijs,
Just let me know.
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Are you guys gonna do Israeli air force livery?
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 16:13

QUOTE (Motley @ Jun 19 2008, 12:12 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll assume this level of detail is only available in an FSX model. Which I don't plan on installing (FSX) again

Are there plans for an FS2004 model also? This I would gladly cater too wink.gif


No way, not even a fifth of this model could be compiled for FSX. For FS2004 we would need to start a totally new development, which simply will not be worthwhile (and I simply can't get the developers back on FS2004 with all it's restriction).
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 16:14

QUOTE (roei @ Jun 19 2008, 16:42 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are you guys gonna do Israeli air force livery?


If the model is not too different and we get good details and images, certainly an option yes.
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 18:31

Mathijs, what about some scenery to go with it, just like the Seahawk package. Though I understand that is easier to realize as the reality effect is easier to create than let's say trying to get a historically correct Vietnam bit of scenery. But even if fictional, I would love to see some sort of scenery from that era. Maybe a couple of firebases etc to fly from.

Anyways, it looks great so far. This is another must have, just like the Cat.
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Posted 20 June 2008 - 00:13

QUOTE (SimFreak @ Jun 19 2008, 20:31 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mathijs, what about some scenery to go with it, just like the Seahawk package. Though I understand that is easier to realize as the reality effect is easier to create than let's say trying to get a historically correct Vietnam bit of scenery. But even if fictional, I would love to see some sort of scenery from that era. Maybe a couple of firebases etc to fly from.

Anyways, it looks great so far. This is another must have, just like the Cat.


I second. An aircraft that comes with a little extra 'scenery' is pretty cool and really appreciated. I prefer that over a mission... but missions are cool though rolleyes.gif

Continue your good work folks and thanks!
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Posted 20 June 2008 - 00:45

QUOTE (SimFreak @ Jun 19 2008, 18:31 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mathijs, what about some scenery to go with it, just like the Seahawk package. Though I understand that is easier to realize as the reality effect is easier to create than let's say trying to get a historically correct Vietnam bit of scenery. But even if fictional, I would love to see some sort of scenery from that era. Maybe a couple of firebases etc to fly from.

Anyways, it looks great so far. This is another must have, just like the Cat.


If Aerosoft doesn't come thru, I'll have some FSX FBs ready when the Huey is Erik wink.gif




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Posted 20 June 2008 - 10:41

Looks great Mathijs !
I know there are still a few flying around in the Swiss and French Alps, helping in putting ski lift masts and other large objects atop the mountains. Watched one work like that last Summer across the valley.

My favorites are the 'Nam heli's though..... I built quite a few scale models of them at the time....

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:04

QUOTE (Francois Dumas @ Jun 20 2008, 10:41 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Looks great Mathijs !
I know there are still a few flying around in the Swiss and French Alps, helping in putting ski lift masts and other large objects atop the mountains. Watched one work like that last Summer across the valley.

My favorites are the 'Nam heli's though..... I built quite a few scale models of them at the time....

Francois


We'll first do the UH-1D, the 'Vietnam' type, but later we will also include the 205 civil models. Both types are still flying as you say, they seem to be nearly indestructible and thousands upon thousands have been produced.
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Awesome !!!!
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Posted 20 June 2008 - 14:45

Mathijs, maybe they are to different but the versions that the NYPD and the KLu uses would be sweet:
NYPD version and the KLu version.
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Posted 20 June 2008 - 14:59

Hi Mathijs,

That is looking good. We can always rely on aircraft with character turning up here smile.gif
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Posted 20 June 2008 - 15:35

@ SeahawkBoy

Thats a complete different Chopper :-)

Bell 412. We are doing the 205 Model.
There are too many differences... The 4 Bladerotor allone, and the different performancedata... Even the 212 is too different.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 16:46

Michael, nice to see some more of your scenery, are you going to share? wink.gif
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Posted 20 June 2008 - 21:34

QUOTE (Nick C @ Jun 20 2008, 18:46 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Michael, nice to see some more of your scenery, are you going to share? wink.gif

What he said hehe! Looks great. I remember having the Chu Lai scenery in and all the small forward bases and reworking the textures to make it blend in a bit better but this looks great. I'd love to be able to use that in FSX! biggrin.gif
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Posted 20 June 2008 - 21:39

QUOTE (Nick C @ Jun 20 2008, 16:46 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Michael, nice to see some more of your scenery, are you going to share? wink.gif


Hi Nick, good to see you man, how's life?! Yeah, I had to take some time away from FS (family issues) and in the past couple of months got back in the saddle and started on some new FSX scenery, so....YES! tongue.gif

Funny, I have a couple hueys that work so-so in FSX, but I really miss/need a realistic VC environment and this might just be it, can't wait!

I'd love to do more than just the FBs for Nam, but it's hard finding good reference material. If I had a map of actual; bases and images it would add a lot, guess I'll keep looking.
The fire base in the images is between Pleiku and the Cambodian border.
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Posted 20 June 2008 - 21:57

QUOTE (Francois Dumas @ Jun 20 2008, 11:41 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Looks great Mathijs !
I know there are still a few flying around in the Swiss and French Alps, helping in putting ski lift masts and other large objects atop the mountains. Watched one work like that last Summer across the valley.

My favorites are the 'Nam heli's though..... I built quite a few scale models of them at the time....

Francois



LOL, I too built many a Huey UH-1 model (your comment brings back memories)! I am trying to get my son who is 9 years old into building models, but he is more interested in ANY game on the Wii or XBOX 360 huh.gif
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Posted 21 June 2008 - 18:05

Michael..

Would this link be of any help for you? Vietnam Helicopter Pilots Association

I have many friends that were in Vietnam. I'll see what I can come up with from them that may help you out. No Promises though. I'll do my best!!
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Posted 21 June 2008 - 21:17

QUOTE (Motley @ Jun 21 2008, 18:05 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Michael..

Would this link be of any help for you? Vietnam Helicopter Pilots Association

I have many friends that were in Vietnam. I'll see what I can come up with from them that may help you out. No Promises though. I'll do my best!!



Hey, thanks so much Motley!

check your PMs

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QUOTE (J.Schweigler @ Jun 20 2008, 16:35 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@ SeahawkBoy

Bell 412. We are doing the 205 Model.
There are to many differences... The 4 Bladerotor allone, and the different performancedata... Even the 212 is to different.

Sorry

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Ok, so only a model 205/UH-1D/H and not a 204/UH-1B/C etc. Oh well.... given the fact the B-model cabin/roof/cowling is different and performance data slightly different I guess my hopes were too high sad.gif

I got good pictures from work on HEER Hueys on their way to winter training at Voss so there should be good chances for repaints at a later date. Gotta have this beauty.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 21:16

Michael

I need specifics..


Area / Units

From the sounds of it, I can get quite a bit of info for you. It just has to be dug through.

Or...

Are you wanting to see building styles, shapes, materials they are built with? I can get you lots of photos of stuff like that. As for U.S. Military type, that too.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 16:25

Nice!...But I feel you're shooting yourself in the foot by making it FSX only. If you'd took the time in conducting a survey, you'll find that the majority of flightsim'er are FS9. Why handcuff yourself from that market?
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 18:37

QUOTE (Rhino @ Jun 24 2008, 16:25 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nice!...But I feel you're shooting yourself in the foot by making it FSX only. If you'd took the time in conducting a survey, you'll find that the majority of flightsim'er are FS9. Why handcuff yourself from that market?


Oh no, not this line of discussion again! blink.gif

Rhino, this has been discussed ad nauseum in this thread: http://www.forum.aer...showtopic=18118

You may want to take a look for a better insight into Aerosoft's position on this topic wink.gif
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 02:49

Hi Dear Mathijs, I win the pool right haha? or to say precisely, I read your mind, right haha? I believe you know what I mean. when you collected advises for new craft in a new topic in forum, I check each suggestion from V-pilots everyday. once I felt disappointed, because I am the only one gave UH-1 and B-2 out. HaHa....... I am not trying to show off or brag, I am just feel so so so happy!!! I am lucky to follow your mind and get this Heli!!! Thank you so so much!!
UH-1s are one of my favorite Heli types. Among top ones!!!
Ha Ha thank you so much! I will wait to fly ...
if ok to say, roughly how long do I need to wait for this beautifully built Heli?
Thanks again
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 16:40

What is that I read between the lines? I'll have to check the other thread, but J. Schweigler has put the gliders on hold?!?!?!

Sacrilege!

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