mike baker 1 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Hello i have been using the p3d v3 scenery for heathrow it has worked great apart from a few ground textures missing i have been getting 30 - 40 frame rate with a1 traffic 30 with lot of weather installed the new p3d v4 version yesterday cant even use it brought the frames down to 10 and is like a slide show ii have choosen not to use the dynamic lighting to help but not helped so i installed the old version again and it is back to 30-40 on the frames and smooth should not the new v4 be better than the old? Ta Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer OPabst 2091 Posted September 30, 2017 Developer Share Posted September 30, 2017 So you have used the old one in P3D V3 with good frames Now you have the Pro Version installed to your new installed P3D V4 Correct? Can you uncheck the Heathrow Folder in the Scenery Library and compare the fames with the default one, if there you have significant better frames? London is a frame critical area and I have more or less the same frames with default and EGLL Pro. So, maybe your P3D V4 Sim settings needs to be first optimized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike baker 1 Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share Posted October 2, 2017 Hi I'm using the P3D V3 in P3D V4 sucessfully with apart from a few texture problems good frame rates 30 40 with full a1 traffic your ne P3DV4 version brings 10 to 15 on frames and if you turn scenery off it has 30 40 frames I have most of the scenerys from all the different developers in v4 all producing 30 to 40 frames mostly Their is something wrong with my V4 scenery it does behave like a slide show I downloaded it with simarket Thankyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer OPabst 2091 Posted October 2, 2017 Developer Share Posted October 2, 2017 Ok, I have made a test to see, if your statements regarding the Hearthow P3D V3 Version compare to the Heathrow Pro V4 Version can be reproduced: 1) I first save a scenerio, where I place me at a position west of the Airport looking eastwards, so that the complete Airport is in View and the London City in the background. That is the situation, where I have the lowest frames. Then I restart the FS with this scenario and have 40 frames in middle. 2) Then I uncheck the Pro Version and add the two folders of the P3D V3 xtended Heathrow Version in the Scenery Library. Then I stop the Sim and restart it. Now I have 35 frames in middle. And this, without the runway textures, because they will not shown and with no Objects casting or receiving Shadows, because all objects are flag "noshadows" in the old V3 Version.When I then go to the settings Menu -> Lighting and check the "NoShadow Flag Content", so that the objects cast and receive shadows, the frames are reduced to 30 in middle. That mean, the Pro Version is around 25% faster then the old V3 Version used in V4. I could not say, why it is different on your hardware. Maybe you have a graphiccard with low memory, so that see could not handle large mesh objects. Or maybe check that your Garphiccarddrivers are uptodate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike baker 1 Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 Ok I have parked up at the gate 539 facing london (all ways lower frame rate due to city) No weather daytime 50% a1 P3dv3 version in p3dv4 forward view 50.2 left view 60 right view 72 back view 71 Simular when no London scenery Now with p3dv4 with new p3dv4 Heathrow Same gate no weather 50% a1 Forward view 15 left view 18.2 right view 21.5 behind 22.3 I have reloaded the scenery just in case bad copy still no good My pc can handle most of the heavy add-on e.g. ga Frankfurt or flightbeam San francisco or fsdream all airports no broblem I have most of your upgraded airports in the professional version all ok Heathrow pro for p3dv4 unusable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs Tom A320 4915 Posted October 4, 2017 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted October 4, 2017 Just to clarify: you are talking about FPS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike baker 1 Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 yes i am talking about fps framerate but the more important thing is within the low framerate it drops to 10 and stutters something is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer OPabst 2091 Posted October 5, 2017 Developer Share Posted October 5, 2017 Can you give us an overview, which hardware you use, specialy which Graphiccard and how many Memory the Graphiccard and you PC has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike baker 1 Posted October 6, 2017 Author Share Posted October 6, 2017 ok thanks Operating System Windows 10 Home 64-bit CPU Intel Core i7 6700K @ 4.00GHz 16 °C Skylake 14nm Technology RAM 16.0GB Dual-Channel Unknown @ 1066MHz (15-15-15-36) Motherboard ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. Z170 PRO GAMING (LGA1151) 18 °C Graphics Optoma 1080P (1920x1080@60Hz) 2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 (MSI) 22 °C Storage 119GB SAMSUNG MZHPV128HDGM-00000 (SSD) 24 °C 931GB Seagate ST1000DM003-1ER162 (SATA) 17 °C 1397GB Western Digital WDC WD15EADS-00P8B0 (SATA) 19 °C Optical Drives HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH24NSD0 Audio Realtek HighCPU Intel Core i7 6700K Cores 4 Threads 8 Name Intel Core i7 6700K Code Name Skylake Package Socket 1151 LGA Technology 14nm Specification Intel Core i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz Family 6 Extended Family 6 Model E Extended Model 5E Stepping 3 Revision R0 Instructions MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, Intel 64, NX, VMX, AES, AVX, AVX2, FMA3 Virtualization Supported, Disabled Hyperthreading Supported, Enabled Fan Speed 813 RPM Bus Speed 100.0 MHz Stock Core Speed 4000 MHz Stock Bus Speed 100 MHz Average Temperature 16 °C Caches L1 Data Cache Size 4 x 32 KBytes L1 Instructions Cache Size 4 x 32 KBytes L2 Unified Cache Size 4 x 256 KBytes L3 Unified Cache Size 8192 KBytes Definition Audio Graphics Monitor Name Optoma 1080P on NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 Current Resolution 1920x1080 pixels Work Resolution 1920x1040 pixels State Enabled, Primary Monitor Width 1920 Monitor Height 1080 Monitor BPP 32 bits per pixel Monitor Frequency 60 Hz Device \\.\DISPLAY1\Monitor0 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 Manufacturer NVIDIA Model GeForce GTX 960 Device ID 10DE-1401 Revision A2 Subvendor MSI (1462) Current Performance Level Level 0 Current GPU Clock 135 MHz Current Memory Clock 405 MHz Current Shader Clock 405 MHz Voltage 0.868 V Technology 28 nm Bus Interface PCI Express x16 Temperature 22 °C Driver version 22.21.13.8569 BIOS Version 84.06.14.00.db Physical Memory 2047 MB Virtual Memory 2048 MB Count of performance levels : 1 cCCcFFfF Level 1 - "Perf Level 0" GPU Clock 949 MHz Shader Clock 3004 MHz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
data63 421 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 my guess is GPU 2GB RAM is petty small for P3D4 as it heavily "outsources" tasks and textures to the GPU (I also still have a 2GB GPU and it's constantly at 99%RAM on bigger airports while the CPU has some "space left") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs Herman 1591 Posted October 7, 2017 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted October 7, 2017 According to LM here, for P3Dv4, 2 GB video RAM is the bare minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike baker 1 Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 should heathrow pro have better performance than heathrow p3d v3 version in p3dv4 according to Oliver Pabst the answer is yes i have most of the major add on scenerys some demanding a good spec pc all with good perform again somthing is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike baker 1 Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 still cant even use my heathrow v4 prof due to terrible perform again i have most big airports from all developerers running fantastic my old heathrow v3 version works fantastic still no ideas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer Autopiloth 462 Posted October 19, 2017 Developer Share Posted October 19, 2017 Hi, just a note about thinks that could incidentally happen and significantly slow down the performance: - check that you only use ONE SCENERY at the same time. Sometimes it happens that a scenery is activated twice OR the old scenery (the V3 on in this case) is not removed from the scenery library and still active cutting the frames into half. - Make sure that you do not use two afcad files at the same time for EGLL. It could happen that it calls AI traffic aircrafts twice. - Set your texture size in P3DV4 to a lower value to check if it is a graphic card memory problem. The textures of our P3DV4 Version are higher resoluted (and therefore consume more memory) than those of the P3DV3 Version (if you like you can copy the V3 textures over the V4 textures to get a lower resolution version for testing) -switch off AI traffic and compare performance of both Versions (V3 and V4), maybe a AI aircraft is called in V4 which will not appear with the V3 afcad causing memory or performance issues. Hope you can find a culprit. Please report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted October 20, 2017 Aerosoft Share Posted October 20, 2017 This is a very nice tool to quickly check what BGL's are active, it will even detect if the same one activated twice: https://sourceforge.net/projects/fs-sceditor/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deputy Sheriffs mopperle 4162 Posted October 20, 2017 Deputy Sheriffs Share Posted October 20, 2017 Are you sure it also works with P3Dv4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerosoft Aerosoft Team [Inactive Account] 51558 Posted October 22, 2017 Aerosoft Share Posted October 22, 2017 yes, no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike baker 1 Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 already using scenery config editor just about to give up v4 version thanks for the help anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike baker 1 Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 i have just turned off cast ans receive shadows in simobjects and their has been a great increase in frame rate but i dont understand why i can have that on when using v3 version i still get good perform thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer OPabst 2091 Posted October 22, 2017 Developer Share Posted October 22, 2017 1 hour ago, mike baker said: i have just turned off cast ans receive shadows in simobjects and their has been a great increase in frame rate but i dont understand why i can have that on when using v3 version i still get good perform thanks guys Because in the V3 Version all objects are flagged as "noshadows", so you will not have shadows, even when they are set active in the settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vali 31 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I also experienced low 15 fps (FSLabs A320).. I deactivated all the options from the EGLL config. Then I unchecked FTX England and EGLL scenery. By default and with Piper Cub, fps were around 70fps or more. After restarting the P3D I checked the EGLL scenery only. I have 25 fps on the runway (sometimes above), with FSLabs A320, all lights on (at night), except the flood lights. DL is ON in the P3D settings. (i9-7900x, GTX 1080TI FTW3, 32GB DDR4, SSD) I have many issues with the addon airports and FTX regions.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer OPabst 2091 Posted October 24, 2017 Developer Share Posted October 24, 2017 50 minutes ago, vali said: I also experienced low 15 fps (FSLabs A320).. I deactivated all the options from the EGLL config. Then I unchecked FTX England and EGLL scenery. By default and with Piper Cub, fps were around 70fps or more. After restarting the P3D I checked the EGLL scenery only. I have 25 fps on the runway (sometimes above), with FSLabs A320, all lights on (at night), except the flood lights. DL is ON in the P3D settings. (i9-7900x, GTX 1080TI FTW3, 32GB DDR4, SSD) I have many issues with the addon airports and FTX regions.. Did you talk about 4.0.x or 4.1.x? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vali 31 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 6 hours ago, OPabst said: Did you talk about 4.0.x or 4.1.x? 4.1, yes, sorry if I created confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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