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Where to go from Taiwan towards Australia

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Tobus    113

Hi all,

 

with the poll strongly in favor of going to Australia, here's a proposal. Go nuts but try to keep it short n sweet.

 

Start date: field dep - field arr - leg length (nm)

10 june: RCKH - VHHX - 341

17 june: VHHX - RPLL - 608

24 june: RPLL - RPMD - 520

1 july: RPMD - WAMT - 391

8 july: WAMT - WABP - 654

15 july: WABP - AYMD - 534

22 july: AYMD - YHID - 383

29 july: YHID - YCCY - 613

5 aug: YCCY - YAYE - 681

 

That would bring us to Ayers Rock, central Australia, with plenty of sightseeing should one wish it. Somewhat longer legs due to lack of large airports in this corner of the globe. This thread will lock June 3rd.

 

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FlyingAxx    129

Hi Tobi,

Due to the sometimes quite long legs I would propose an alternate plan consisting airports having a minimum runway length of 6400 ft which should be usually sufficient not only to land, but to escape as well with bigger irons. Furthermore I wanted to keep our legs as often as possible within the limits of 500 nm (actually I failed in some cases as well). The main direction remained more or less as you proposed. As you already wrote, it had not been easy finding proper alternatives. Of course I wanted to hit somewhere the soil of Papua New Guinea, an idea adding a leg and some hours of flight.

 

BTW, in the table below you'll find the questionable short strips behind their replacements in extra columns.

 

Leg # ICAO Name Dist [nm] RW max [ft]   Orig RW max [ft]
59 RCKH Kaohsiung Intl   10,346      
60 VHHX Hong Kong Intl (old) 342 nm 10,927      
61 RPLL Ninoy Aquino Intl 608 nm 11,193      
62 RPMD Bangoy Intl 521 nm 9,859      
63 WAMM Ratulangi 338 nm 8,732   WAMT 4,674
64 WAPP Pattimura 368 nm 11,226      
65 WABP Moses Kilangin 528 nm 7,841      
66 AYNZ Nadzab 601 nm 8,004   AYMD 5,148
67 YBSG Scherger 456 nm 10,000   YHID 4,558
68 YBCS Cairns Intl 338 nm 10,522      

 

Obviously we wouldn't make it to Ayers Rock in this case. However Cairns is a nice destination even when using the default scenery. Alternatively we could reach Ayers Rock when leaving out Lae (Papua New Guinea, AYNZ), the distance between WABP and YBSG would be then "only" 576 nm, and we could go from there directly the 505 nm to Mt Isa (YBMA) by leaving out the nice place Cairns. I added  Alice Springs as being the centre of this Continent.

 

I played as well with a possible continuation bringing us to Singapore. It looks like that:

 

69 YBMA Mt Isa 422 nm 8,427
70 YBAS Alice Springs 363 nm 8,001
71 YAYE Ayers Rock (Connellan) 180 nm 8,546
72 YTNK Tennant Creek 378 nm 6,405
73 YPDN Darwin Intl 474 nm 11,005
74 WATT El Tari 446 nm 8,205
75 WAAA Hasanuddin 393 nm 8,213
76 WAOO Syamsudin Noor 304 nm 8,204
77 WARR Juanda 264 nm 9,841
78 WIII Soekarno-Hatta Intl 373 nm 12,008
79 WSSS Changi 477 nm 13,176

 

The second portion is nothing more than something to think about - definitely not necessary right now - of course, despite of the legs to YAYE.

 

In total it would look like this:

2016-05-18_15h32,31_AB.jpg

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sideout    24

That's strange Axel, I thought the first leg of the next batch was 68?  If you remember there was a slight hiccup in leg numbering before the last lot :)

However, I looking forward to heading toward the land down under, grateful thanks to Tobus and the rest of you guys for your input!  :clapping_s:

 

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FlyingAxx    129
2 hours ago, sideout said:

That's strange Axel, I thought the first leg of the next batch was 68?  If you remember there was a slight hiccup in leg numbering before the last lot :)

 

You may be right (but I'm too tired for checking it right now). However, I can't change the posting anymore, sorry. I think the first fault happened already somewhere in South America...

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Tobus    113

Correct, next leg from Taiwan would be #69.

Good call on the runway lengths guys, although TODA of all fields is above 4500ft and should thus suffice.

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Philouplaine    96

Hi Tobi and other friends,

 

On the principle of Axel's proposition, I also present the maximal runway length at each airport and the presence or not of an ILS in the FSX airport.

For flying frequently in those areas, I can tell you that the runways at Horn Island and at Sorong Jefman, though being short, are quite easily manageable for my Learjet .. that needs a much longer distance to takeoff than to stop upon landing!

Besidees, Horn Island and Sorong and Cairns airports are superb locations ot land. In the same mind, I suggest to go to Sydney through the Eats Austarlian Coast which is a much more diverse and "green" landscape than flying over central Australia from Horn Island down to Ayers Rock.

I also skipped HongKong in this proposition, but, of course, this would be a quite nice place to go ... very scenic!

 

STEP

LEG

Date

Flight

Destination

Country

Distance

RWY max length

ILS

Addon

         
           

(nm)

(in FSX)

(in FSX)

           

1

68

June 10

RCKH-RPLL

Manila-Ninoy Aquino

Philippines

484

11,768'

yes

Pacific Island Simulation Manila Ninoy Aquino RPLL FSX 33.17 € (SimMarket)

2

69

June 17

RPLL-RPMZ

Zamboanga International

Philippines

466

8,563'

no

no freeware

       

3

70

June 24

RPMZ-WAMM

Manado Sam Ratulangi

Indonesia-Sulawesi

367

8,202'

yes

Freeware: http://aviabee.com/scenery/version/fsx/?page=2

 

4

71

July 1st

WAMM-WASS

Sorong-Jefman*

Indonesia-West Papua

413

5,413'

no

no freeware - short runway (1,654 m)

     

5

72

July 8

WASR-WABP

Timika-Tembagapura

Indonesia-Papua

402

7,841'

no

freeware : FSX Papua Indonesia Airports Scenery (172 kB) by Er-Jin Jang

6

73

July 22

WABP-YHID

Horn Island-Torres

Australia

483

4,557'

no

no freeware - short runway (1,392 m)

     

7

74

July 29

YHID-YBCS

Cairns

Australia

432

10,489'

yes

Freeware at Ants Aussie

or payware at Orbx

   

8

75

August 5

YBCS-YBRK

Rockhampton-Connor Park

Australia

471

8,622'

no

Freeware at Ants Aussie

       

9

76

August 12

YBRK-YBCG

Gold Coast-Coolangatta

Australia

320

6,699'

no

freeware at flyaway simulation by John Ross

   

10

77

August 17

YBCG-YSSY

Sydney-Kingsford Smith

Australia

444

12,999'

yes

Freeware at avsim.net

or payware at FlyTampa (SimMarket)

 
                             
       

* This is the 'old' airport, located on a lovely small island face to Sorong on the mainland. Exceptionnal scenery here!

 

     

 

This would look like this:

carte aerosoft legs 68-77.jpg

 

I also played with a possible continuation bringing us to Singapore (in the Axel's spirit)...

 

STEP

LEG

Destination

Destination

Country

Distance

RWY max length

ILS

Remark

 

 

 

ICAO

Name

 

(nm)

(in FSX)

(in FSX)

 

 

1

78

YPAD

Adelaide

Australia

628

10,170'

yes

 

 

2

79

YCBP

Coober Pedy

Australia

406

4,685'

no

short runway (1,428 m)

3

80

YAYE

Ayers Rock-Connellan

Australia

296

8,530'

no

 

 

4

81

YBAS

Alice Springs

Australia

185

7,999'

no

 

 

5

82

YPKU

Kununurra

Australia

558

5,999'

no

 

 

6

83

YPDN

Darwin

Australia

234

11,004'

yes

 

 

7

84

WPDL

Dili-Comoro

East Timor

391

5,873'

no

 

 

8

85

WADD

Denpassar-Ngurah Rai

Bali

615

9,842'

yes

 

 

9

86

WIII

Jakarta-Soekarno Hatta

Indonesia

520

12,008'

yes

 

 

10

87

WSSS

Changi

Singapore

489

13,123'

yes

 

 

 

 

 

Philippe

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pasterke    27

+1 for the proposal from Philippe : why not flying to the east coast (Gold Coast, Central coast) and further down to Canberra, Melbourne, , Adelaide and so on ...

we have time (at least I have)  :lolsign_s:

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FlyingAxx    129
8 hours ago, pasterke said:

we have time (at least I have)

Hehe, I didn't have the courage expressing it like that. In fact both of you are right regarding the landscape. Flying over the centre of Australia is kinda boring and we would have to expect it for many hours - even in a tubeliner.

 

Edit: Forgot to mention that we need a way back north and the north-west coast is not really exiting in FSX.

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Tobus    113
8 hours ago, FlyingAxx said:

Hehe, I didn't have the courage expressing it like that. In fact both of you are right regarding the landscape. Flying over the centre of Australia is kinda boring and we would have to expect it for many hours - even in a tubeliner.

 

Edit: Forgot to mention that we need a way back north and the north-west coast is not really exiting in FSX.

Well, it's either coast or inland. I suggest doing at least Ayers Rock, as Aerosoft has a nice airport and surrounding scenery. Also, inland is shortest way.

Finally, I'm going to convert to FSX:SE, my 10yr old boxed install desperately needs a cleanup. FTX Australia is high on the list since all FTX stuff is some 40% off this month. Can't resist that!

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gazoeller    130
On 19.5.2016 at 15:31, pasterke sagte:

+1 for the proposal from Philippe : why not flying to the east coast (Gold Coast, Central coast) and further down to Canberra, Melbourne, , Adelaide and so on ...

we have time (at least I have)  :lolsign_s:

 

another +1 for Philippe's proposal.

I would like to visit Brisbane and Sydney as well. I had been there in 1980 when accompanying my wife, who made this flight on duty when she used to be flight attendant with Lufthansa. Yes, you're right, Brisbane was never a scheduled stop over with Lufthansa, but during those days we made the trip, there was a fuel strike at Sydney for all foreign airliners; they had been redirected to Brisbane. Imagine this mid size airport full with major European airlines B747s parking there one by one for refueling.

After this I would recommend the inland route.

@Pasterke, you can take the coastal round trip and even then you will be first at our batch's final destination!:hahaha_s:

 

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Ruud    22

Another +1 for Philippe's proposal, time for me to visit Australia and enjoy this country with the ORBX FTX Australia continent, looking forward to that.

 

Cheers,

Ruud

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sideout    24

Yet another +1 for Philippe's proposal, looks like a very interesting route taking in a big chunk of our globe!  Looking forward to it already!

 

This flight really is an interesting experience, I just hope I can live with my PCs BSOD until we've finished, as I'm really not looking forward to feeding in the Gigabytes of DVD add-ons for Europe until we get back!

 

PCs eh?!  Don't ya just love 'em ;)

 

 

Cheers,

 

Nigel

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gazoeller    130

Hi Philippe, dear all

for WAMM Philippe, you mention the freeware scenery http://aviabee.com/scenery/version/fsx/?page=2 . I was checking this link and ended up at a download server called http://www.4shared.com .

This reminds me quite well that during the time frame when we passed South America I downloaded a scenery pack from this site. After that download I realized a strange behavior of my browser (popping up of unwanted ads) which finally caused me to completely reinstall my system. I don't know if the root cause for this strange behavior really was related to this web site. There is a statement on the web site telling that it has been checked using McAfee and no virus had been identified.

I for my turn I will not download once more from this server.

Just wanted to let you know.

Of course it's up to you to decide whether you will download.

 

Gernot

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Farlis    132

I like Axel's proposal. With just one exception. We do not go to Kai Tak. As legendary as this Airport is, it is long since demolished and we should keep our way of just flying to airports that are in actual existance. So if we go to Hong Kong it's VHHH.

 

 

As you all know by now I'm not a fan of long detours and Sydney is definately a far cry away from our general direction. As famous as it is a place, I think we'd better ignore it and try to concentrate on how we get out of Australia the fastest instead of heading towards New Zealand. ;)

 

I really don't want to spend more time in the southern hemisphere than I have to during the winter months and will keep my eyes firmly on reaching the northern hemisphere again before our summer is over.

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Tobus    113

Summary of the above:

 

- do or not do Kai Tak

- use airports with a bit more runway when possible

- split in going through or almost round Australia.

 

Personally, I think Kai Tak is nice but not a must.

I care less about the runways viewing my choice of aircraft, but will accomodate for all.

While visiting Australia is fine with me, I'm not in favor of putting in a "circle route". Those that wish to venture to Melbourne or Sydney are free to stray a little.

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Philouplaine    96

HI all,

Yes Gernot, I've also find out that 'little' problem at aviabee.com ... so, as you write, it's better to avoid that website.

Visiting Ayers Rock (yes the Aerosoft scenery is quite good) needs us to go down south. If Sydney and Brisbane are not anymore 'official' destinations,

 

What about that new flight plan?

STEP LEG Date Flight Destination Country Distance RWY max length ILS
            (nm) (in FSX) (in FSX)
1 68 June 10 RCKH-RPLL Manila-Ninoy Aquino Philippines 484 11,768' yes
2 69 June 17 RPLL-RPMZ Zamboanga International Philippines 466 8,563' no
3 70 June 24 RPMZ-WAMM Manado Sam Ratulangi Indonesia-Sulawesi 367 8,202' yes
4 71 July 1st WAMM-WASS Sorong-Jefman Indonesia-West Papua 413 5,413' no
5 72 July 8 WASR-WABP Timika-Tembagapura  Indonesia-Papua 402 7,841' no
6 73 July 22 WABP-YHID Horn Island-Torres Australia 483 4,557' no
7 74 July 29 YHID-YBMA Mount Isa Australia 629 8,399' no
8 75 August 5 YBMA-YBAS Alice Springs Australia 360 7,999' yes
9 76 August 12 YBAS-YAYE Ayers Rock-Connellan Australia 185 8,530' no

 

Philippe

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FlyingAxx    129
On 23.5.2016 at 10:48 AM, Tobus said:

Summary of the above:

 

- do or not do Kai Tak

- use airports with a bit more runway when possible

- split in going through or almost round Australia.

 

Personally, I think Kai Tak is nice but not a must.

I care less about the runways viewing my choice of aircraft, but will accomodate for all.

While visiting Australia is fine with me, I'm not in favor of putting in a "circle route". Those that wish to venture to Melbourne or Sydney are free to stray a little.

"Well, that's all right, mama..." (with other words: a short and very good summary). However, Kai Tak is something very special for the driver of big irons. While sitting in the lounge (I used to have a gap of a about four hours regularly) I saw incredible landings there, specifically in rainy conditions.

 

20 hours ago, Philouplaine said:

<snip>

What about that new flight plan?

STEP LEG Date Flight Destination Country Distance RWY max length ILS
            (nm) (in FSX) (in FSX)
1 68 June 10 RCKH-RPLL Manila-Ninoy Aquino Philippines 484 11,768' yes
2 69 June 17 RPLL-RPMZ Zamboanga International Philippines 466 8,563' no
3 70 June 24 RPMZ-WAMM Manado Sam Ratulangi Indonesia-Sulawesi 367 8,202' yes
4 71 July 1st WAMM-WASS Sorong-Jefman Indonesia-West Papua 413 5,413' no
5 72 July 8 WASR-WABP Timika-Tembagapura  Indonesia-Papua 402 7,841' no
6 73 July 22 WABP-YHID Horn Island-Torres Australia 483 4,557' no
7 74 July 29 YHID-YBMA Mount Isa Australia 629 8,399' no
8 75 August 5 YBMA-YBAS Alice Springs Australia 360 7,999' yes
9 76 August 12 YBAS-YAYE Ayers Rock-Connellan Australia 185 8,530' no

 

Philippe

 

Why not?

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nealmac    244

I like to do a bit of flying with the PMDG 777 so having some nice long runways and airports with ample parking facilities would be a nice bonus.

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gazoeller    130
On 23.5.2016 at 18:53, Philouplaine sagte:

<snip>

What about that new flight plan?

STEP LEG Date Flight Destination Country Distance RWY max length ILS
            (nm) (in FSX) (in FSX)
1 68 June 10 RCKH-RPLL Manila-Ninoy Aquino Philippines 484 11,768' yes
2 69 June 17 RPLL-RPMZ Zamboanga International Philippines 466 8,563' no
3 70 June 24 RPMZ-WAMM Manado Sam Ratulangi Indonesia-Sulawesi 367 8,202' yes
4 71 July 1st WAMM-WASS Sorong-Jefman Indonesia-West Papua 413 5,413' no
5 72 July 8 WASR-WABP Timika-Tembagapura  Indonesia-Papua 402 7,841' no
6 73 July 22 WABP-YHID Horn Island-Torres Australia 483 4,557' no
7 74 July 29 YHID-YBMA Mount Isa Australia 629 8,399' no
8 75 August 5 YBMA-YBAS Alice Springs Australia 360 7,999' yes
9 76 August 12 YBAS-YAYE Ayers Rock-Connellan Australia 185 8,530' no

 

Philippe

 

I fully agree with your proposal Philippe.

I also was looking for a batch of flights leading us from Australia forward to India, of course this is not yet to be decided on, just a projection.

           
 
Departure Destination Airport Dist [NM] Country Runway-Dimensions
YAYE
YDBY Derby Airport 621 Australia 5696 x 98 feet / 1736 x 30 meters
YDBY
WATT/WRKK
Kupang/El Tari 446 Indonesia 8202 x 148 feet / 2500 x 45 meters
WATT/WRKK
WADD
Bali/I Gusti Ngurah Rai Airport 511 Indonesia 9843 x 148 feet / 3000 x 45 meters
WADD
WIHH/WIIH
Jakarta/Halim Perdanakusuma Airport 515 Indonesia 9843 x 197 feet / 3000 x 60 meters
Alternative:
WIII
Jakarta International/Soekarno Hatta Airport 515 Indonesia 12008 x 197 feet / 3660 x 60 meters
WIHH/WIIH/WIII
WSSS
Singapore International Airport 487 Singapore 13124 x 197 feet / 4000 x 60 meters
WSSS
VTSP
Phuket Int Airport 528 Thailand 9843 x 148 feet / 3000 x 45 meters
VTSP
VYYY
Yangon/Mingaladon Airport 541 Myanmar 11200 x 200 feet / 3414 x 61 meters
VYYY
VECC
Kolkata Airport 554 India 11899 x 150 feet / 3627 x 46 meters
         

@Nealmac,

the listed runway dimensions should be sufficient even for your B777.:)

Gernot

         
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
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Tobus    113

I also like Philippe's plan. Also has enough options for people to divert to a preferred field(s).

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dcda    116

I have been neglecting to express my appreciation for all the work and suggestions given by Toby, Axel and Philippe.  Thank you very much, gentlemen.

My personal preference is for the long excursion, touching many parts of the world.  So, these suggestions are all well-suited to my preferences.

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